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West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012 I know LuchAAA was emotionally invested in there being a shooting or other violence at this year's West Indian Day Parade along Eastern Parkway, but according to NYPD Commissioner Kelly (who rode a float playing the timbalis in the parade), there was no violence at all. He says his cops made no arrests for incidents of any kind at the event. Three million New Yorkers attended the Parade and festival.Sorry to disappoint you, Luch. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 3 18:13:44 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. The day is not over. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:18:14 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 3 18:13:44 2012. The Parade ended about half an hour ago. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 18:23:09 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. Three million? Moreover, I am asking you to please stop using big words such as timbalis in your posts. All you need to do is use the term drums and people will understand the type instrument of which you opine which means speak. On behalf of all SubChatters, OTChatters, and to a lesser extent, BusChatters, I want to take this opportunity to thank you again for your activism on behalf of the LGBTQIA Community and leading edge devices to include slats. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 3 18:34:01 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. He's about due to bring up McCarren Pool |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:47:23 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 18:23:09 2012. Yup, three million. That's about right for the WIDP, and is the reason the parade uses the big, broad Eastern Pkwy route. Also, I continue my diligence in advocating for leading-edge devices on all large commercial jets, including the upcoming MAX addition to the 737 family. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 18:50:47 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 18:23:09 2012. Three million?Perhaps we now know where those missing voters in Milwaukee have been hiding out. ;) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 18:59:41 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 18:50:47 2012.  |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Sep 3 19:35:45 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. I'm glad no one was killed as in past years but the cynic in me says that the NYPD was instructed not to make arrests. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 19:48:31 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. But it did cause massive traffic jams, one of which I was caught in because I forgot about the parade and tried to drive north on Flatbush Avenue from Church Avenue -- no can do. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon Sep 3 19:53:07 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 19:48:31 2012. Not so fast ! It is not over until well after midnight ! The after drinking is still going on ! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 19:58:16 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 18:23:09 2012. please update us with your itineraries. please. we followed your flight from EWR to SFO and don't know where the hell you are now or how your doing. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 20:00:04 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. I didn't even know about it.I have never said that I want shootings to take place at that or any ethnic parade. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 20:07:37 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. Very impressive but the best attendance estimates I've seen are for over 1 million and that seems quite high. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 20:13:18 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by SMAZ on Mon Sep 3 18:34:01 2012. yes I brought it up as an example. thanks.you may wanna try Portalia on Broadway near Steinway. Park Side in Corona is also awesome. I have an idea for a private pool in a blue section of Queens. Forest Hills has a few private pools where you pay for the day and day camps are welcome. How about busing in kids from other neighborhoods to see how fast the libs in Forest Hills going running. It's the kind of neighborhood where grandpa took the freedom bus to Alabama but their own grandkids are in the least "diverse" environment at all times. THIW. |
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Why Troll Me?(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 20:14:57 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. I hardly argue with you anymore. We did disagree on Chick-fil-A but that was a while ago. Move on. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 20:16:22 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 19:58:16 2012. I worked Seattle to Newark yesterday. Now I am back home on Short Callout Telephone Standby, hereafter referred to as SCTS for purposes of this thread, for another 44 minutes but Fleet Reserve Coverage is adequate so I'm hoping the telephone remains silent. Worst case the telephone rings and I am activated off SCTS requiring me to quote push unquote in 3 hours. Now I am 1:50 from the Employee Lot (No Traffic) at EWR so do the math. Flying is an extremely safe and highly efficient mode of transportation in my opinion but I took the train back from Houston out of an abundance of caution. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 20:23:17 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Sep 3 20:16:22 2012. Short Callout? That's "on the board" in railroad speak. |
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Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 22:11:15 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. Turn on the 11 O'clock news, since you started this troll thread. |
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Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 22:11:40 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. Turn on the 11 O'clock news, since you started this troll thread. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 22:41:55 2012, in response to Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 22:11:15 2012. I saw the photos. Not pretty |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 3 22:55:56 2012, in response to Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 22:11:15 2012. That's why I went SBS-fanning instead. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:02:29 2012, in response to West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 3 18:12:03 2012. 2 Stabbed2 Shot 2 Dead I think that you spoke too soon |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:05:56 2012, in response to Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 3 22:11:40 2012. If there was this much violence every year at the Memorial Day Parade, the Parade would have been refused a permit years ago. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:07:21 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:02:29 2012. He probably won't respond. He usually gets "busy" when things take this kind of a turn. Hope that I'm wrong. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:11:34 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:05:56 2012. There's a Memorial Day parade? If so, it's very tiny.What about the St. Patrick's Day parade? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:11:51 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:07:21 2012. Nathan has a good heart but he sometimes lets his extreme political views get the best of him. I've seen one of the pictures - actually several hours ago. It's hard to imagine that the parade will get a permit next year - but I think that every year too. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:14:46 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:11:34 2012. Are you aware of any deaths at the St. Patrick's Day Parade over the last 10-20 years? |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Sep 3 23:15:59 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 3 22:55:56 2012. That is why I went to DC......Just got back..... ..........Grew up in that area, know all about the parade. Not like its used to be when I was growing up.... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:17:43 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:14:46 2012. Since you asked - in 1997: http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/nation/exclusive-st-patricks-day-parade-beating-death-of-bronx-teen-still-lingers-for-familyIt has been 15 years since her son was beaten to death by a group of teenagers at the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in Manhattan, but a mother’s grief still remains. “You never get over it,” says 67-year-old Patricia Sarti of Yorktown Heights. “My husband died a year and a half ago, and never spoke about it. It killed him.” Michael Sarti was just 17 years old when he encountered a group of young men near Madison Avenue and 59th Street. The altercation broke-out shortly after 2 p.m. just one block east of the parade route, where thousands of revelers had turned out to watch the marchers make their way up Fifth Avenue. Sarti was kicked and beaten so viciously, the impact ruptured an artery in his brain stem. He bled inside his skull and remained in a coma for three weeks on life-support before dying, never regaining consciousness. “15 years later, I’m still mourning my son,” says Patricia Sarti. “I moved away from the Bronx because I didn’t want to see Mikey’s friends grow up and get married and have kids.” The Sarti family has since relocated from the Throgs Neck section of the Bronx to Yorktown Heights in northern Westchester County. She says her son never made it to his 18th birthday and says had he survived; he would have turned 33 on April 30. “It’s forgotten. It’s yesterday’s news," says Sarti. "I don’t think anything has changed.” Her older son, 46-year-old James Watt, was a New York City Department of Correction Officer in 1997 who happened to be marching in that St. Patrick’s Day Parade at the same time his younger brother was attacked. "I could have been there to help my brother as he lay dying in the street," said Watt, who is still grieving in disbelief 15 years later. The teenagers accused in the brutal attack, then 16-year-old Thomas Warnock, 18-year-old Jason Andrade and 19-year-old James Wiffin, now adults, faced the most serious charges ranging from murder to gang assault. A grand jury indicted Jason Andrade of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn on charges of second-degree murder and first-degree manslaughter. Two other teens were charged with inciting the crowd and received probation. Three adults, including two New York City Traffic Enforcement Agents and one German tourist who videotaped some parts of the footage from the beating, testified at the three week trial that ended in Androde's acquittal. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:21:09 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:17:43 2012. So you went back 17 years and found 1 incident (well I did say 10-20 years). So then based on that 1 incident it would seem that you justify and support the yearly violence at the West Indian Day Parade. Things are better this year - only two dead. I believe that it was four last year. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Sep 3 23:23:29 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:11:51 2012. It'll get a permit. People look forward to this parade.........people from other parts of the country..... ....people from other parts of the world....... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:23:31 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:21:09 2012. Of course I don't support the violence. It's awful. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:25:36 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:23:31 2012. You certainly sound like you are trying to mitigate it. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:27:22 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:25:36 2012. We all want to mitigate it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:28:22 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:25:36 2012. No, just pointing out that when crowds number in the millions, and drink flows freely, anything can happen. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:28:28 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Sep 3 23:23:29 2012. I guess that if the community wants to tolerate the annual carnage and hand-wringing over the aftermath, they might but how long is the Mayor who wants to stop people from drinking cola because its unhealthy, going to allow this sort of violence. Certainly, the strong police presence didn't deter the violence. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 23:28:45 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:27:22 2012. Excellent riposte. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Sep 3 23:30:16 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:28:28 2012. You are right. I thought things would be different this year as well, but........ |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:32:13 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:27:22 2012. I should have said excuse or minimize the significance of the violence. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:36:58 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:32:13 2012. To me, what matters is what most of the crowd experienced. Were there lots of thugs causing problems and numerous fights or was the crowd mostly chill with just a few people looking for trouble that managed to find a few other people looking for trouble? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 4 00:02:40 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 3 23:28:28 2012. I guess that if the community wants to tolerate the annual carnage and hand-wringing over the aftermathTo be honest, within certain parts of the community, there's a meme of "I won't go because I don't want to be shot", and as you note, every year, there's always some negative sentiment about those who do engage in such violence, and there's rarely any pro-shooting sentiment. Regardless, if you're the type of person that's willing to possess a gun illegally and shoot somebody at a parade, no amount of middle class hand-wringing or shaming is going to work when somebody is angry, has low impulse control and feels the need to shoot somebody over an angry dispute. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Sep 4 00:02:48 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 3 19:48:31 2012. Stay away from Crown Heights/Flatbush area Labor Day weekend. Especially, Sunday night to Monday night...... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 4 00:03:27 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:36:58 2012. That's the right way to look at it. I was driving through Flatbush as it was ending and that area, at least, seemed very chill. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 4 00:04:34 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Sep 4 00:02:48 2012. I've learned that lesson! |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Sep 4 00:04:58 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 4 00:02:40 2012. IAWTP 100% |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 4 00:05:18 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Sep 4 00:04:58 2012. Me too. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Sep 4 00:09:17 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 4 00:04:34 2012. :-) . Church Ave is literally shut down from Flatbush Ave to Remsen Ave on Sunday night for J'Ouvert celebrations. When I was a conductor on the 2 line, my last trip to Flatbush, my train was packed like rush hour. The train literally emptied out at Church Ave...... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 4 00:11:19 2012, in response to Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 4 00:02:40 2012. I'm not sure what you mean by "middle-class hand wringing". This sort of senseless violence should transcend all economic classes and races. If the parade emotions and possibly the incidental drinking lead to this much carnage every year then government has an obligation to protect the citizenry. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Sep 4 00:15:09 2012, in response to Re: Update(Re: West Indian Day Parade Ends With NO Violence Or Arrests), posted by Easy on Mon Sep 3 23:36:58 2012. I'm sure it's small amount of troublemakers drunkenly causing trouble. Of course if we apply the logic shown over the OWS protests, then all those people are fucked up and should all be deported :)your pal, Fred |
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