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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:50:46 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 15 09:41:18 2012. Yes, and now we've seemed to have come full circle in this thread. Perhaps if the current president had been doing his job for the last 3+ years instead of running for re-election since he was inaugurated, we might not be having this discussion. obama is the problem that gets fixed on November 6, 2012. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 15 09:52:15 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:32:16 2012. Kinda hard to tell from those Numbers Steve... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:59:02 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 15 09:52:15 2012. That was meant to have a tinge of sarcasm. With non-Hispanic whites at about 65% of the population, one might expect them to be the majority beneficiary of food stamps and other entitlements. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 15 10:02:10 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:59:02 2012. Ah should have known.. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 10:06:02 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 09:38:40 2012. Willard's negatives are up, significantly among independent voters. He is now considered a net jobs loser.Given Willard's propensity for secrecy, I don't see how he's going to change anything about these perceptions. If possible to begin with (we may have struck the truth about this guy's resume) it would require a level of transparency that I doubt he'd be able to contend with. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 13:17:47 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 10:06:02 2012. That's a downside to getting a corporate type to run for President; in their world, CEO means king, whereas in government, CEO means glass house.No photography allowed at the Cheney fundraiser. Funny, they don't want to risk any indication that this would be a 3rd Bush term. Expect more Secret Squirrel from Romney and the GOP. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 13:17:48 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 10:06:02 2012. That's a downside to getting a corporate type to run for President; in their world, CEO means king, whereas in government, CEO means glass house.No photography allowed at the Cheney fundraiser. Funny, they don't want to risk any indication that this would be a 3rd Bush term. Expect more Secret Squirrel from Romney and the GOP. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 13:36:02 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 13:17:48 2012. The problem with a "businessman" president, or governor is that a businessman is supposed to make his business more efficient and profitable by any means necessary. This may mean firing people and otherwise screwing people over. The problem is that the government can't be made profitable. The government is there to do those things that are inherently unprofitable. If it were profitable then private business and not government would be doing it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 13:44:35 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 13:36:02 2012. Well yeah, that's true; leading government means building consensus.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 13:57:01 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 13:36:02 2012. You also do not have the option of blowing it all to hell. That's what Bain did just as often as not. You can't blow away a government function. You can't liquidate a state or municipality.Government is NOT the place to exercise ones M&A skills. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 14:03:59 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 15 09:26:12 2012. Whites are a greater proportion of the population. Obviously they'd receive more in government benefits.Notice, however that blacks are more likely to receive most of the benefits on that list except for social security retirement, Medicare, veterans benefits and widow's benefits. Blacks are less likely to marry, have a shorter life expectancy and I'm not certain but I suspect from these numbers that they are less likely to serve in the Armed Forces. This is just like your [technically correct] claim that whites are more violent than "people of color." |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 14:15:29 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 13:17:47 2012. They didn't want the public seeing them being all chummy and such. But you know they are. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 14:44:45 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 14:03:59 2012. Blacks are less likely to marry, have a shorter life expectancy and I'm not certain but I suspect from these numbers that they are less likely to serve in the Armed Forces.I am pretty sure that blacks are more than proportionately represented in the Armed Forces. I haven't researched it but I think I've read it here or there. In addition, the Armed Forces attract those who are economically disadvantaged - which tends to result in a disproportionate number of blacks and southern rural whites. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 14:54:22 2012, in response to CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 17:28:45 2012. OK, as I've said, I don't think this is a big deal.But have the Democrats actually said anything false? They have said that while Romney was still listed as CEO of Bain, Bain engaged in outsourcing that moved jobs overseas. Sometimes you have to outsource to keep a company solvent, so I don't consider that a horrible thing. But is it untrue? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 16:51:42 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 14:54:22 2012. No they haven't said a single thing that's false.As to outsourcing, I don't believe, looking at Bain's record, that they cared about anything beyond the profit that they, Bain Capital, could extract from any given company. They liquidated as many as they retained. Outsourcing to them was just another "tool" to increase profit. Though some would say it was not bad business. It was however, cold and calculating, with a total disregard for the lives involved in their manipulations. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 19:55:07 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 16:51:42 2012. It's not bad business but it makes Romney sound disingenuous when he speaks of creating jobs.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 15 20:05:03 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 19:55:07 2012. He created LOTS of jobs ... that much is true ...
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 15 20:07:23 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:59:02 2012. One estimate is that non-Hispanic whites are 49% of recipients. It's an estimate because some decline to state their race. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jul 15 20:14:10 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:47:50 2012. Non-Hispanic white is a subset of white. When responding to the census only about half of the Hispanics in LA identify as white and most of the rest as other.In most demographic statistics "white" is usually non-Hispanic white, but sometimes not. And people will use that to their advantage when they can. Both ways. You really do have to know which they mean, if you care. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 15 20:20:04 2012, in response to CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 17:28:45 2012. "And for many Democrats, swiftboating became a catch-all term for any unfair, untrue, personal assault on a candidate."Note the key word -- "untrue." It's about time the Dems stopped being pussies. More power to 'em. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 15 20:26:36 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 15 20:20:04 2012. THIW. Pu the lies out fast and loud. Dissolve the perpetuating group by the time the truth comes out. The deceived will believe. They won't want to hear otherwise.Only problem here is those nagging 13Ds. Signed sealed and delivered. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 02:34:16 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 14:44:45 2012. So perhaps the veterans benefits thing is explained by a lower life expectancy? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 03:34:58 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 15 09:26:12 2012. The whole high-unemployment, low-wage South would be in mass starvation if not for the Producer States financing their food stamps. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 16 03:38:00 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 15 09:26:12 2012. Did you read my post?I said only dummies think that food stamps are for black people. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 03:38:19 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 14:03:59 2012. They are not less likely to serve in the Armed Forces.However many of the VA disability and military retirement beneficiaries are from the WW2 Era when there were less blacks. Also they die sooner so you have less of them collecting such lifetime benefits well into their 80's or 90s. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 16 03:40:54 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 03:34:58 2012. Florida does not even have a state income tax. But it's coming. And the problem for Florida is the number of northerners saturating the state, turning it into another NY or PA. THIW. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 05:11:12 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 16 03:38:00 2012. Indeed.Food Stamps are for the grocery and agri-businesses. you actually think that Bush expanded eligibility for the little people? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 16 05:24:00 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 05:11:12 2012. There was a movement to exclude grocery items like Entenmann's products from EBT eligibility. I don't think Entenmann's or the grocery chains down with the idea.Food stamps, WIC, unemployment, disability, all a lifeline for keeping people in the buying pool. That money circulates and doesn't fall into some black hole. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 16 05:28:39 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 16 05:24:00 2012. That money circulates and doesn't fall into some black hole.And THERE'S the problem. There's money around and the republicans believe that belongs to the bankers. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 16 05:40:40 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 16 05:28:39 2012. They can't ship it overseas you mean?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 16 05:41:49 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 16 05:40:40 2012. They gotta hold onto some of it to buy Romney ads. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 16 05:49:47 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 16 05:41:49 2012. I'm surprised they're not outsourced to some foreign ad men :) your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 16 09:52:48 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 02:34:16 2012. I think SMAZ has the major point, which is that Veterans' benefits are heavily time-delayed, so that a large portion are still being paid out to WWII and Korea veterans. And even in the Vietnam era the military was much less skewed toward people with low family incomes than it is now. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 16 10:27:57 2012, in response to CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 17:28:45 2012. Here are some very good questions Romney STILL hasn't answered about his involvement with Bain.. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 17:10:46 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 03:34:58 2012. The South=Greece. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 16 17:12:58 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 16 05:49:47 2012. Gupta has a spellchecker. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 16 19:59:21 2012, in response to Re: CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 17:10:46 2012. Yep.But much more so. The EU's actual Treasury is limited. No EU-wide food stamps, health insurance, Social Security, defense spending or most other spending. In fact the whole debate for those favoring Eurobonds and a federal EU is to be like the US where the bailout of Mooch States is automatically structured into the federal system instead of being conditional and ad hoc. At least Greece and Eire and others had to go through great pains to get the bailout money. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 16 21:21:28 2012, in response to CNN: Democrats are trying to swiftboat Romney, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 17:28:45 2012. Romney intends to seriously ramp up outsourcing if he gets elected. Article with details is here:http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2012/07/hanlon_outsourcing.html Excerpt: The Washington Post recently reported that some of the companies Mitt Romney’s firm Bain Capital invested in were “pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories.” Even more troubling than his business record is his platform as Republican presidential candidate, which includes a policy that would encourage and further accelerate the outsourcing of American jobs to foreign countries. The former Massachusetts governor would make U.S. corporations’ overseas profits exempt from U.S. taxes. These profits are already treated favorably under the tax code compared to corporate profits that are earned and reported domestically, creating an inefficient bias toward investment offshore. The favorable treatment of profits that are reported offshore also creates rewards for corporations that shift profits (on paper) out of the United States to foreign countries, including tax havens such as Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Romney’s proposed exemption for foreign profits would exacerbate the worst features of our current tax system. It would: Enhance the tax code’s rewards for moving jobs and investments overseas Provide a gratuitous windfall to some of the very companies that have already shifted jobs and profits overseas Further invite the offshore tax haven abuse that deprives the U.S. Treasury of tens of billions of dollars in revenue every year Romney argues that we must exempt the overseas profits of American companies from U.S. taxes to make them more competitive in a global economy. But the evidence for this claim is lacking, as this issue brief will demonstrate. More fundamentally, Romney confuses the interests of multinational corporations based in the United States with the competitiveness of the U.S. economy overall. His plan would not make the U.S. economy—or U.S. workers—more competitive. Instead, it would reward foreign outsourcing, putting American workers at a disadvantage. One of the many ways that our tax system is broken is that it actually encourages and rewards U.S. corporations to make job-creating investments overseas even if similar investments in the United States—absent tax considerations—would be more profitable. |
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