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Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 14:07:21 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 25 13:57:30 2012. Exactly.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:25:44 2012, in response to Re:SCOTUS did something right today, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 13:28:49 2012. And when Citizens was issued, it became unconstitutional. Most of the gun restrictions recently invalidated preceded Heller and McDonald. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 14:39:55 2012, in response to Re:SCOTUS did something right today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:25:44 2012. Yet the states rights RWers like you think that states like Mississippi should be able to pass legislation after the fact that invalidates Roe. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 25 15:12:43 2012, in response to Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 10:27:12 2012. I'm not surprised by what went down and what was repealed and NOT repealed however the conservatives sent a strong message to Washington by saying that the law should've stayed intact in the dissenting opinion that federal immigration laws are too lax and is apart of the problem. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:25:10 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 13:09:07 2012. go fuck yourself,Nazi. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 15:26:15 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 13:21:45 2012. OK, I get stopped for jaywalking in Phoenix. The cop asks, do I have proof I'm a citizen. I say no, but I was born in NYC. He has no right to detain me, does he?Now suppose someone else speaks very little English, only Spanish, and says they were born in LA but can't prove it. The cop doesn't have any right to detain him either, does he? As long as neither of us gets detained the law can stay on the books. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 25 15:28:24 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:25:10 2012. just for you rockparkboyhttp://www.medicinenet.com/tourette_syndrome/article.htm |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 15:29:17 2012, in response to Re:SCOTUS did something right today, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 13:15:41 2012. The NY Times disagrees with you. Second paragraph, 2nd sentence.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/us/justices-bar-mandatory-life-sentences-for-juveniles.html |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:30:27 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 15:26:15 2012. Yes, just wait 'til the pigs in AZ get hit with so many false arrest claims they'll either have to fire the pigs to save money or raise taxes. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:32:01 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jun 25 15:28:24 2012. ESAD, you're a Nazi too. |
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Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 25 15:36:25 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Rockparkman on Mon Jun 25 15:32:01 2012. But he's a liberal. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Jun 25 15:39:39 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 25 14:04:59 2012. Bump. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 15:43:30 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 15:26:15 2012. Or if both are detained. It becomes a problem only when the Spanish speaker is detained, you are let go. That's profiling. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 25 15:45:58 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 14:01:02 2012. That's what I said and meant. The state law giving the state the power to enforce a law which the feds have supremacy on was invalidated. The laws still criminalizing said behavior still exists, it's just federal, not state.And the state has nothing to say about it if the state feels the federal government isn't doing enough to stop it. We're back to the pre-SB 1070 status quo, except it's clarified that there can't be another SB 1070. Also, being in the county illegally isn't a crime. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 16:07:47 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 15:43:30 2012. But if I am detained, I have the resources to sue for false arrest, since I'm not required to prove my citizenship. So they don't dare detain me. They only dare detain those who won't sue. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 16:11:15 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 25 15:45:58 2012. Also, being in the county illegally isn't a crime.Good point to bring up next time we have someone ranting and raving about the criminal illegal aliens. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jun 25 20:34:35 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 13:38:15 2012. illegals in schools who are native englisher speakers.ahhahahahahahahahah |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jun 25 20:36:22 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by alm on Mon Jun 25 13:16:09 2012. Gimme a break!I just got my toll bill in the mail. Guess what langauge it's in. Spanish! How rare do you people think it is to see spanish? I'm getting fluent just from my grocery circulars and going to walmart. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 21:00:48 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jun 25 20:34:35 2012. English is the most popular second language in schools outside the US/Canada. That anyone speaks English as a second language should come as little surprise. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:16:07 2012, in response to Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 10:27:12 2012. Great news. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:21:13 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 25 13:48:06 2012. Nope.The boycott ends when the AZ Legislature erases this law from its books. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:21:50 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 25 14:06:01 2012. I might go visit the USS Arizona now. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:25:12 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 25 13:06:51 2012. Yes.In other words, the law of the land as it always was. Only La Migra can detain or order the detention of people for immigration violations, not the Maricopa Co Sheriff Dept. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:26:55 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:16:07 2012. Not ... really. Arpaio still gets his oats. They intend to carry on as though nothing happened and just turn them over to INS instead of penning them locally. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:29:18 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:25:12 2012. The only real change in the outcome is that Sheriff Joe and friends now have to drive them over to the federal building instead of Nutraloaf camp. They'll still be playing Gestapo now that it's been authorized. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:33:23 2012, in response to Re:SCOTUS did something right today, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 10:59:04 2012. Juveniles cannot be sentenced to life without parole. Another 5-4 but one that turned out right. All over the world, kids get to have another chance. Now America has joined the civilized world on this one.IAWTP. For once, a dent in America's War on Children |
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Posted by DaNd124 on Mon Jun 25 21:33:57 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:21:50 2012. I hope they never allow Japanese flags anywhere near there! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:42:21 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by DaNd124 on Mon Jun 25 21:33:57 2012. haha! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 21:44:33 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:26:55 2012. Arpaio isn't smart enough to enforce the law in an evenhanded way. He'll get hit with a suit for selective enforcement soon enough.If I were the ACLU I'd pay born Americans who don't speak any English to hang out on street corners without ID. Perfectly legal, and a red flag to Joe. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 21:46:02 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:29:18 2012. Until the Feds just start letting them go because the department was waaaay underfunded by the republican Congress and there's nobody to process them. You get what you pay for. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 21:48:04 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 21:44:33 2012. That would work. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:50:16 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 21:44:33 2012. I forget whether it was CBS News or Disney news I saw him interviewed on earlier, he insists that he has a "secret weapon" to get around having to take them to the feds. Brewer was also extra chirpy about winning this one. Arpaio's gotten away with plenty so far, so I imagine he thinks he'll win this one too.Wonder how the harvest is gonna go out there this fall? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:52:49 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 21:46:02 2012. You can only do so much with 1/3 of the troops you asked for to handle that. Priorities ...Maybe we should let the felons go and round up the children like the republicans want. |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:01:48 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 11:34:47 2012. That's the way I read it as well. It's almost as if Kennedy was inviting further legal challenges because he didn't feel that the current arguments carried enough weight, but he could see where it would go. |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:04:34 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by alm on Mon Jun 25 13:19:04 2012. Yes. And that is where this part will get struck down. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 22:06:24 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 21:52:49 2012. Can't give them automatic life sentences anymore. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Jun 25 22:08:27 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 25 14:04:59 2012. Bump. |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:13:19 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 13:22:37 2012. And as such situations like the German auto executive that was arrested under a similar Alabama law cannot happen. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 25 22:14:29 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 25 14:04:59 2012. Did he say anyone said otherwise, TerraNAZI? |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:17:56 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 25 16:07:47 2012. Yep. Pretty much. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 22:19:40 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:01:48 2012. According to Reuters, Kennedy cited safeguards and limits written into the law.He said an immigrant is presumed to be in the United States lawfully if a valid driver's license or similar identification can be produced. If an immigrant lacks such identification, the officer then checks with the federal government on the immigrant's status. Still going to be interesting to see what's up Sheriff Joe's ... ummm ... |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:20:24 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 21:21:13 2012. I hate to break it to you but that's not going to happen. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 22:21:07 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 22:06:24 2012. Until they turn 18. :) |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:22:31 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 22:19:40 2012. Sheriff Joe is running on fumes. He knows his gig is up and is trying to get into the press in any way, shape, or form possible. He's not going to go down without a fight... but I believe that the USDOJ has a file on him and will throw the book at him in short order. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 25 22:23:54 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:20:24 2012. They can erase it by revising it in accordance with the SCOTUS opinion.Then the boycott ends. When you include Kagan (who recused herself from this case), this decision was really 6-3 and 7-2 against AZ rather than 5-3 and 6-2. precedent is sealed for a while. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 25 22:27:33 2012, in response to Re: Wrong: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:13:19 2012. :-) Yeah. Can't wait for the lawsuit once they establish a 100% Spanish speaking detention statistic. SCOTUS won't be there to bail them out. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 22:28:20 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:22:31 2012. Here in upstate, Sheriffs know that fear of them keeps crime down. I don't blame him for getting the word out that there's no screwing around in his county. But geez. Boss Hogg wasn't a role model. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 25 22:28:21 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:22:31 2012. He should try Dancing With The Stars then. Even Tom Delay was on there.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:29:23 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 22:28:20 2012. He's been stepping up his batshit crazyness in recent years. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 25 22:30:23 2012, in response to Re: Arizona immigration STRUCK DOWN, posted by TonyG on Mon Jun 25 22:29:23 2012. We hear some of his madness out here often. But he keeps getting reupped. What does that say about the voters in his county? :-\ |
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