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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 04:33:01 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 29 03:44:11 2012.

Ir it's a conspiracy and they switched Hispanics en route. :)

Only shows to go ya what happens when you put on the talking lamp and pay attention to it ...

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 04:34:57 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 29 03:30:35 2012.

My pops was a professional photographer ... he refused to buy one until they "perfected it." He died first. :)

My first was one of those awful RCA CTC-4's from the 50's after I got my own place. $300 monthly electric bill killed that idea. Heh.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:39:09 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 04:33:01 2012.

Zimmerman was treated by paramedics on the scene. I would imagine that treatment would include wiping away whatever blood there was after the scuffle. JayZeeBMT, who is on top of this story even posted this police report which mentions it.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf



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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 04:44:59 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:39:09 2012.

Reports in the media claimed "broken nose" and other reports indicate "refused medical attention." So we've got one account, but the story is with the Fire Department and we ain't got that yet. That's what would settle the medicals, this doesn't.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:47:48 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 04:44:59 2012.

How do we know from the video if he does or doesn't have a broken nose? NY Daily News says it's not broken based on the still shot.

It wasn't "reports in the media" saying he had a broken nose. His own attorney made the rounds saying it.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:49:17 2012, in response to Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 28 20:21:19 2012.

You posted the police report earlier in the week. It says that Zimmerman was treated by paramedics on the scene. If there was any blood, I'd imagine they would have wiped it away, if possible. That might explain why there is no visible blood by the time he got to the police station.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 04:50:31 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:47:48 2012.

If you're gonna believe anybody's media, that's your problem. I believe DOCUMENTS that I can look up. Ain't seen any yet, and frankly too busy pissing around with the assholes at TimeWarner cable tonight with their horrid intarwebs. As to the whole situation, I've said my piece already - unless Trayvon brandished a weapon, he didn't deserve to die. That is all.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman.

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 29 05:04:27 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 28 21:52:40 2012.

Why do you respond to him like he's an actual player?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 29 08:38:03 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:11:24 2012.

So the youth was mindful in his attack not to break any bones. I guess he was a nice kid?

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 08:41:22 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 04:49:17 2012.

No paramedic on Earth would have let Zimmerman RMA with a broken nose and evidence of a head injury without at least getting clearance from Medical Control. Broken noses aren't just painful, they can create respiratory issues, and if Zimmerman's nose had been broken, his shirt would have been covered in blood. From what we know of this case, however, George Zimmerman never checks into a hospital or sees the doctor after this incident, and there has been no evidence that he has sought treatment for any injuries at all.

If the medics on the scene allowed him to RMA--something fraught with legal dangers if it goes wrong--Zimmerman would have had only superficial, if any, injuries at all. Yes, the patient does have the right to refuse any or all of his medical treatment, but ONLY if, in the medic's professional judgment, he is of capable mind to do so. Head injuries do not fall into that category, for obvious reasons. Again, the ACR the ambulance crew wrote would clear a LOT of this up, but the police video suggests Zimmerman's injuries, if any, were VERY minor.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 08:44:46 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 29 02:26:49 2012.

Zimmerman was examined at the scene by paramedics of the Sanford Fire Department, and he refused treatment and transport to a hospital. Having been so released by medical authority, the cops were then free to bring him in for questioning, which likely would have occurred shortly thereafter.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by JohnL on Thu Mar 29 08:57:43 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 28 21:18:48 2012.

ACR = ?

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 09:02:55 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by JohnL on Thu Mar 29 08:57:43 2012.

Ambulance Call Report. This is the official report prepared by the ambulance crew. It is a legal document, part of the patient's permanent medical record, and can be put into evidence in court.

In modern times, it is a scannable document, sometimes called an ePCR, or electronic Patient Care Report.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by JohnL on Thu Mar 29 09:11:09 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 09:02:55 2012.

Thanks! I couldnít find that acronym. Makes sense: if EMS is called to an injury as a result of a crime, they document what they find.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 09:18:27 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by JohnL on Thu Mar 29 09:11:09 2012.

Oh, you better believe it. If this case goes to court, that ACR will be ten feet tall on an overhead projector, right in front of the jury. Both sides will have instructors from the local Fire or EMS Academy as expert witnesses to pick apart the ACR to a fare-thee-well. Great emphasis is placed on report writing in EMT classes, because if it isn't documented, it never happened. Trust me, on a call like this one, the medics dotted every i and crossed every t because even at the scene, it was probably VERY clear this was eventually gonna end up in court, either as a criminal or civil case. If they let Zimmerman go, it was because the man was fine. Believe that.

I had several of my jobs go to court because they were homicides, and one of the first things the DA puts on to establish the person's injuries was my ACR. It';s a BIG part of court cases, because we are always among the first to arrive, and the first to assess the medical condition of the person.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 29 09:23:13 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 09:18:27 2012.

This whole case gets more and more complicated...

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 09:26:53 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 29 09:23:13 2012.

Did you notice the cop in the video frisks the inside of Zimmerman's jacket WITHOUT gloves on, something no cop would do if their prisoner's clothing is bloody?

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JohnL on Thu Mar 29 12:26:55 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 08:41:22 2012.

Hm.

I found this list of documents and recordings on the City of Sanford web site. One of the reports from the police at the scene mentions Zimmerman's nose bleeding and his back was wet.

The report mentions aid given by the Sanford Fire Department (I assume this is what SFD means). But their report is not included in the available documents.

Iím surprised that Smoking Gun hasnít been all over this.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 12:28:59 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 08:41:22 2012.

So you're saying there's no way Zimmerman had a broken nose? Let's see where this goes.



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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 12:35:44 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JohnL on Thu Mar 29 12:26:55 2012.

We know that Sanford PD said that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was treated and released at the scene. Don't you think that "treated" would mean they cleaned off any blood before releasing him which would explain why his face is not a crimson mask of blood in the surveillance video?



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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 12:49:19 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 12:35:44 2012.

Even if the medics cleaned his face up, broken noses bleed quite profusely. His clothing should be red with blood, but it isn't. He might have sustained a minor nosebleed, but given the lack of blood on his clothing, not a broken nose. Also very telling is, as far as we know, Zimmerman has yet to seek treatment of any kind for his allegedly "serious" injuries.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 12:55:25 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 12:49:19 2012.

If he had a broken nose, won't he still be able to prove it with an x-ray?



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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 13:01:34 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 12:55:25 2012.

Sure. Why hasn't he gone in for one in over a month? Neither Zimmerman's lawyer or family has said one word about him being actually treatedfor any such injury.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 13:07:22 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 13:01:34 2012.

Actually, it was Zimmerman's lawyer who said on MSNBC and CNN that he had a broken nose. If he can't prove it he'll look bad.



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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 13:13:49 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 13:07:22 2012.

But how did Zimmerman's lawyer come up with that diagnosis? Zimmerman never went to the ER or saw a doctor, as far as we know.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 29 13:17:00 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 13:07:22 2012.

Obviously we really have no idea at the moment what actually happened to Zimmerman. But I think JayZ is right that investigators will be able to establish for sure whether or not he had a broken nose, or even a bloody nose, right after the shooting.

Even if his lawyer said he got a broken nose, and actually didn't, that's only bad from a PR point of view. The lawyer can lie all he wants - it's not admissable in court.


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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 13:19:46 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 29 13:17:00 2012.

JayZ is right that investigators will be able to establish for sure whether or not he had a broken nose, or even a bloody nose, right after the shooting.

What investigators? JayZeeBMT is already certain based on this clear video that there's no way he could have had a broken nose.




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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 13:26:55 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 13:19:46 2012.

Again, it's not just the video, but the fact that Zimmerman, with an allegedly broken nose, refused treatment and transport to the hospital at the scene. It's a cast-iron bitch just to breathe through a broken nose, let alone spend five hours in a police station claiming self-defense. Think about it.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 29 13:30:37 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 13:13:49 2012.

You guys are arguing about nothing. The lawyer is just waging a PR battle. It makes no difference whatsoever to Zimmerman's trial (if there is one) whether he is telling the truth now or not. No jury will ever hear that the lawyer said that Zimmerman had a broken nose.



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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Mar 29 14:22:00 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 29 03:30:35 2012.

I grew up with B&W TV's, the first color set I had was when I got married in July 1975.

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Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 29 16:18:23 2012, in response to Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 28 20:21:19 2012.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/

Might not be an injury. Bigger question is why ABC selectively edited it out.



Let's get something straight here. I am not going to defend Zimmerman here. Nor will I hold up Trayvon Martin as some sort of poor innocent kid whowas murdered in cold blood. This is a far more complicated situation than either of the black or white views being spewed on whatever opinion forum I browse. What is disgusting here is the journalistic malpractice of the MSM in portraying one side of this argument, to the detriment to the country as a whole and in conflict with the known facts of the case.

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Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 17:01:02 2012, in response to Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 29 16:18:23 2012.

Oh, boy, here we go with the "selective editing" and "conflicting MSM coverage of the 'known facts of the case' nonsense. I can't understand why so many of the usual suspects on this board have such a difficult time comprehending that Trayvon Martin was not the aggressor in this case, and that he was shot to death during an incident of Zimmerman's own making. SMH!

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Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 17:28:41 2012, in response to Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 17:01:02 2012.

You posted video and now that it might be in question, you get upset. How sensitive. Of course people are going to use still shots and closeups to counter the MSM narrative. You knew that from the start.

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Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 17:35:53 2012, in response to Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 17:01:02 2012.

btw- I applaud people who are using pause and zoom to get a clearer picture of whether or not Zimmerman has an visible cuts or abrasions as noted in the police report.

When evidence is presented the opposes your opinion you get upset.

The leftist MSM knows that they could have done the same with the video footage, but it does not get ratings or sell newspapers.

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 29 18:05:11 2012, in response to Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 29 16:18:23 2012.

These first two are my screen captures followed by the DC version.





I don't see a dark line like that.



Then I cropped and blew up the photo.




your pal,
Fred

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 29 18:07:15 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 20:49:07 2012.

Subchatters can. All the leftists were there in person and are experts you know.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 29 18:18:58 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 29 18:07:15 2012.

Like you right?

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 18:22:06 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman?, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 29 18:07:15 2012.

Yupperz, indeedy. The very ones that claim to decry prejudice always have the moral ethical "right" to prejudge . . .

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Re: Yeah, it doesn't: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 18:44:03 2012, in response to Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 17:28:41 2012.

You posted video and now that it might be in question, you get upset. How sensitive

This is heading in the same direction as the "Egypt Revolts" thread.

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 18:56:16 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 29 18:05:11 2012.

I still don't see any evidence of an injury. I cannot fathom that ALL the major media outlets would have missed a severe injury, and reported this video as showing NO injuries to Zimmerman.

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 19:03:56 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 18:56:16 2012.

I cannot fathom that ALL the major media outlets would have missed a severe injury,

I can.



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Re: Yeah, it doesn't: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 19:04:51 2012, in response to Re: Yeah, it doesn't: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 18:44:03 2012.

This is heading in the same direction as the "Egypt Revolts" thread.

And the 13 year old in France.


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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 19:09:17 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 18:56:16 2012.

ABC had raw video, a lot better than that Flash crap on the nightly. CBS News talked to the funeral director ... might wanna check 'em. Of course I'm sure we'll see footage from Daily Caller of Zimmerman stepping onto a UFO for an anal probe. :)

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:12:03 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 19:09:17 2012.

I just heard from ABC's Exec of Newsgathering, who explicitly says they stand by their story on this video. See his comments in another thread. Of course, to some here, that just makes Brian a leftist co-conspirator... :P

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 29 19:14:12 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:12:03 2012.

are you going to listen to Sharpton at 8?

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 19:18:37 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:12:03 2012.

Yeah, saw that. They got raw footage from PD with him turning his head to show that Daily Coiler was full of shit. CBS had the funeral director. That ACR is becoming more important by the day, yo. It's annoying the shit out of me though how both sides are bending reality to suit their own message. Ain't gonna bring Trayvon back from the dead. :(

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:24:55 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 19:18:37 2012.

Yup. The ACR will bring out the truth. Again, though, I can't see the EMS crew letting Zimmerman sign off on an RMA with the kind of injuries he's claiming. In fact, I can't see any Medical Control doctor ALLOWING it, either. A head injury severe enough to open up the back of his head, PLUS a broken, bleeding nose? No sale.

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 29 19:26:10 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:24:55 2012.

Even in Florida?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 19:29:41 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:24:55 2012.

The report does say that the back of Zim's shirt was wet and had grass stains. It also said that he was "bleeding" from the back of the head. But that's ALL it says.

OK ... might as well join the geese here and speculate up the ass ... I see Tray hiding behind a ground air conditioning compressor unit outside the building. Zim walks past him, Tray jumps up and pushes him over and then gets on his belly to hold him down and find out WTF is going on. Zim flips out, puts a bullet in him, the end.

Concrete scrape as Zim went down?

There ... I'm ready for my column, Mr Murdoch. :)

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Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 29 19:35:53 2012, in response to Re: Not Sure about that: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 29 19:26:10 2012.

EMS protocols don't differ that much from state to state. The whole idea of what is called online medical control, is to have an MD within easy reach for EMS crews in the field to consult with. In the case of an actual or suspected head injury, which might well render the patient incapable of making sound decisions about his or her medical care (that is, to refuse medical aid), the EMS crew can get in touch with the doc at Medical Control, report their findings, and get permission from him or her to take an RMA from the patient, if the doc deems it OK.

However, the doc is not on the scene, and isn't likely to permit a crew out in the street to let a person with a head injury go on his merry way, cops or no cops. It's HIS license that is on the line if the patient RMAs and then drops dead five minutes later from a subdural hematoma. We are not in the business, for example, of giving people just enough care that they can stagger into the path of a moving subway train.

It's for these reasons I highly doubt Zimmerman's injuries at the scene were as bad as he claims. If they had been, he'd have been taken to the ER, in protective custody--from himself--if necessary. Yes, EMS crews can have the gendarmes do that for us if we feel the patient is so sick or badly hurt he cannot act in his best interests. We can NEVER go wrong by taking someone to the hospital in cases like that.

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