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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:38:12 2012, in response to ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:07:11 2012.

LOL that gash keeps moving around his head.

Let's suppose this isn't doctored. If you have to run video through the software over and over to find a shadow of a wound, then the guy didn't get hurt too bad. I mean, we're talking bumping your head on a shelf or a low doorway, but not getting your head smacked on hard ground or concrete. We saw the back of his head from the gitgo...

LOL

your pal,
Fred

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:40:13 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 17:29:14 2012.

Agreed. Nathan seems incapable of using this as a "teachable moment".

It also touches on another issue few want to discuss: racial paranoia endemic in the black community.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:43:15 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:40:13 2012.

IMO If you're not looking at this as a benchmark test of the "Stand Your Ground" Law, you're missing the point. That law appears to be a real stinker when put into practice, only because there doesn't need to be a lot of proof required of the person who kills somebody.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:43:32 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:38:12 2012.

No video was doctored. The video is the same. The only difference is how it's being interpreted. No conservative critic has edited any part of the tape. ABC did. ABC is not asserting the same thing both Breitbart.com and The Daily Caller did over the weekend. That's pretty much a vindication for ABC's critics.

It's insane for people to argue insane stupidity because it might give the other side's view some ammo. A head wound does not necessarily exonerate Zimmerman. Continuing to assert it does not exist simply undermines everything else those making the claim assert.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:45:05 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:38:12 2012.

No video was doctored. The video is the same. The only difference is how it's being interpreted. No conservative critic has edited any part of the tape. ABC did. ABC is now asserting the same thing both Breitbart.com and The Daily Caller did over the weekend. That's pretty much a vindication for ABC's critics.

It's insane for people to argue insane stupidity because it might give the other side's view some ammo. A head wound does not necessarily exonerate Zimmerman. Continuing to assert it does not exist simply undermines everything else those making the claim assert.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:46:13 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:43:15 2012.

The law isn't really applicable here. Zimmerman forfeited it's protections when he ignored a police order to remain in his car. Any attack on the law because of what happened here is entirely political.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:52:50 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:46:13 2012.

The police don't agree with you and let him go free.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 17:56:07 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:43:32 2012.

The video was never edited, ABC always said "You can see the full video on our website" ... the only person who edited this was you... when you chose to IGNORE that.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Apr 2 18:43:35 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 17:29:14 2012.

He is the media, don't you get it?

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Apr 2 18:44:23 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

OMG, this monster was attacking someone else before the neighborhood watchman came to his aid??

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 19:05:16 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 2 17:38:12 2012.

Gets dumber ... transcoding NTSC video to FLV (Flash format) drops the resolution of images substantially and creates artifacts on the edges like we saw in the original "OMG" video. Seeing the original police video on CBS in HD presented QUITE a different view, absolutely nothing in fact. After Zimmerman left the main hall, into the room with the copier on the right, you got a full view of that side of his head. Nothing.

But we can't argue with political bloggers who are also pretend television engineers now can we?

Your pal,
Unca Selkirk
FCC First class engineering license #P1-2-43516

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 2 19:17:01 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 19:05:16 2012.

But Selly you know a "first phone" don't mean shit if you're arguing with a winger who has a divinity degree from Peckerdine U. with a minor in Economics.
:-)

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 19:18:35 2012, in response to ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:07:11 2012.

Face it, all - we don't know what happened, thanks to a failure of the police to investigate. We probably never will. Thanks, Sanford police fuck-ups.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 19:21:31 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 2 19:17:01 2012.

Of course ... that makes me a "scientist" ... and we know what happens to them. heh. My sheepskin even includes the coveted radar and maritime endorsements. Former Chairman Jim Quello personally stamped mine as "lifetime" and let me keep it when everybody else had to turn theirs in for a "general" ... :)

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 19:22:50 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 2 19:18:35 2012.

Not to worry ... Drudge will turn in the final inquest in a few more days once he updates his flash player. :)

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JohnL on Mon Apr 2 19:53:37 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 19:05:16 2012.

... transcoding NTSC video to FLV (Flash format) drops the resolution of images substantially and creates artifacts on the edges like we saw in the original "OMG" video.

Surely not necessarily. But if you turn on compression and downsample the video, then definitely. Do we know the original format?

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 19:57:54 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 19:05:16 2012.

Except the Daily Caller didn't use the .flv file from the ABC website to do their story. They used a copy of the original video from the same source ABC got it from (the police). ABC has a poor understanding of the word "exclusive".

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 20:00:24 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 17:56:07 2012.

They did NOT air the part where we see what might be a wound on the top of his head. This is fact. Doing so would undermine the entire story, as it was presented as proof that Zimmerman was not injured during the struggle with Martin, something which we now know to be fact.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 20:04:04 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 20:00:24 2012.

They said you can see the full video on their website... so they showed the video... next argument...

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 20:08:48 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 20:00:24 2012.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

Theres the video... oh look 3.28.12... thanks for just shooting yourself in foot. If you cared to actually do research you would've found the video instead of throwing accusations and believing the Daily Cat Shit.



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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 2 20:20:04 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:40:13 2012.

Where is the right-wing media--YOUR media, Chris, every time we have a public forum on black-on-black violence?

Oh, that's right, they're attacking the left.

You seem incapable of understanding that no matter how much you want the Trayvon case to be an example of Zimmerman being "victimized" by the "Left-wing media", there is far, far too much evidence that shows Zimmerman's bizarre, self-serving account of events to be grossly false.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 2 20:21:27 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 20:08:48 2012.

+1.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 20:23:48 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 2 20:20:04 2012.

are you listening to 1600 AM?

I am not quiet about any violence. I posted about the black NYCT B/O shot in a drive-by in Wyandanch.

Sometimes, when people bring up black-on-black violence, others get defensive and bring up "Columbine" or "serial killers".

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 20:28:18 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JohnL on Mon Apr 2 19:53:37 2012.

NTSC webcams, 640x480, 5 FPS.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 20:31:17 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 19:57:54 2012.

Still shitty Mosler cameras ... so how did Daily Caller transcode the video to make their point?

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by JohnL on Mon Apr 2 20:59:36 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 20:28:18 2012.

So the original video wasn’t much to start with. Downsample that and you have a mess.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 2 21:14:16 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JohnL on Mon Apr 2 20:59:36 2012.

Tweak up the edges for effect by quantizing in 8 bits, and you have bones sticking out of the eyeglasses. :)

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 21:43:06 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 20:23:48 2012.

guess he's not listening to 1600 AM.

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Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/04/screams-versus-speech-evidence-of-homework-done-by-media.html

Nathan, stop. For the love of God, just stop.

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Rockparkman on Thu Apr 5 15:32:50 2012, in response to Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012.

FUCK YOU AND THE KOCH BROTHERS. YOU NAZIS NEED TO BE DRIVEN FROM THIS COUNTRY.

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Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Rockparkman on Thu Apr 5 15:35:18 2012, in response to Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012.

Goddamned Reagan KLAN Nazi assholes.

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Apr 5 15:40:49 2012, in response to Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012.

Ah blogs, the end all be all...

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 5 15:43:13 2012, in response to Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012.

For the love of God, please stop trying to make Zimmerman the victim here. I'll take the findings of two nationally accredited forensic voice analysts--one of them a past president of their professional association--over your right-wing blog. It is you and the right that need to stop attempting to create a "media martyr"out of this unprosecuted murderer.

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Rockparkman on Thu Apr 5 15:44:23 2012, in response to Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 5 15:43:13 2012.

Remember, GOP=KKK

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Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 5 15:48:32 2012, in response to Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Rockparkman on Thu Apr 5 15:35:18 2012.

I keep waiting for your head to explode.

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Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Rockparkman on Thu Apr 5 15:49:18 2012, in response to Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 5 15:48:32 2012.

BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 5 16:04:55 2012, in response to Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 5 15:48:32 2012.

You spelled asplode wrong :)

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Rockparkman on Thu Apr 5 16:11:02 2012, in response to Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 5 16:04:55 2012.

BLUMP!!!

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 5 16:19:26 2012, in response to Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012.

You're as obsessed as he is.


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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 5 16:23:11 2012, in response to Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 15:19:10 2012.

The wonderful world of expert testimony...

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 5 16:34:26 2012, in response to Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 5 16:23:11 2012.

But it's not testimony. It's PR. Some people have a vested interest in discrediting Zimmerman, and some have a vested interest in making him look like a saint. None of this has any correlation to what actually happened.

And what actually happened isn't going to have much correlation to Zimmerman's fate, because the Stand Your Ground law is such a piece of work.


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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Apr 5 17:56:57 2012, in response to Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 5 16:19:26 2012.

That's an understatement.

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Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 5 18:04:46 2012, in response to Re: Two real experts obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 5 16:34:26 2012.

True it is only PR at this point and both sides are guilty of it. I don't think it's so much a vested interest in Zimmerman as it is in not allowing anything to happen to the SYG law.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 5 21:13:15 2012, in response to Re: Two NAZI KLANSMEN obliterate TWO Audio Experts Saying Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 5 16:04:55 2012.

True 'dat!

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Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 20:36:31 2012, in response to Re: Funeral Director: No Signs Of Struggle On Trayvon's Body, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 06:33:03 2012.

If you beat someone with your fists, and die shortly thereafter, you'll get postmortem bruising on your knuckles, which the funeral director said didn't happen with Trayvon

. . . but the M.E. seems to have.

WFTV, ABC Channel 9, Orlando

Updated: 7:13 p.m. Tuesday, May 15, 2012 | Posted: 5:54 p.m. Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

The autopsy results come as Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.

O’Mara wouldn't comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it's better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman's bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.

“It goes along with Zimmerman's story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.

The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman's story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.

But Sheaffer said there could be another explanation for Martin's knuckle injury.

“It could be consistent with Trayvon either trying to get away or defend himself,” Sheaffer said.

Zimmerman shot and killed the unarmed teenager almost three months ago after calling 911 to report the teenager was acting suspiciously.

Zimmerman said Martin threw the first punch and that he opened fire in self-defense after his screams for help went unanswered.

The FBI was not able to determine whether it was Zimmerman or Trayvon who could be heard crying out for help in 911 calls.

The defense is trying to decide what evidence it wants a judge to keep confidential before the media gets a chance to see it, but WFTV is being told that could happen in the next week or so.

In the meantime, there’s new information surfacing about Zimmerman.

ABC News said it has obtained Zimmerman's medical report from the day after the killing. According to ABC, the report shows Zimmerman had a broken nose and abrasions on the back of his head.


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Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries

Posted by bingbong on Tue May 15 20:55:28 2012, in response to Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 20:36:31 2012.

None of this information provides valid proof of anything beyond an altercation. The medical records from the day AFTER are meaningless. What about the claim of being treated at the scene? Where are *those* records? He could have self-inflicted those injuries in order to create an alibi. He looked uninjured in the police surveillance video, and would have had visible blood stains on his clothes if he had the kinds of injuries he claimed at that time.

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Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries

Posted by Dave on Tue May 15 21:54:11 2012, in response to Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries, posted by bingbong on Tue May 15 20:55:28 2012.

Nothing like keeping an open mind, eh? You've already tried, convicted, and are ready to jail Zimmerman.

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Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries

Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 15 21:59:34 2012, in response to Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries, posted by Dave on Tue May 15 21:54:11 2012.

open "mind" is giving her too much credit.

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Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries

Posted by bingbong on Tue May 15 22:38:05 2012, in response to Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries, posted by Dave on Tue May 15 21:54:11 2012.

There's too many questions unanswered and this evidence is flimsy. Yes, the bruises are sign of an altercation. But who started it? There's evidence WRT that question that has not been released (Mr Martin was speaking on his phone at the time. There's a record of the events surrounding this that isn't being considered by those looking to exonerate Zimmerman. Where is the initial medical report from the scene? Why aren't there any bloodstains or even a trace thereof, on Zimmerman's clothing in the police video from the surveillance camera?

Why is this evidence coming out now? Are they trying to taint the jury pool?

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Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries

Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 15 22:51:30 2012, in response to Re: Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had knuckle injuries, posted by bingbong on Tue May 15 22:38:05 2012.

So if there are so many unanswered questions, how are you so sure that he's a murderer?

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