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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Apr 22 23:04:47 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 22:55:02 2005. Silly me. How could I forget the 4 white cops getting acuqitted. Thanks for reminding me!:0) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:06:10 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 22:55:02 2005. Don't bring up the Rodney King thing. Reginald Denny had that beating coming to him. After all he was white. And the cops that beat Rodeny King were white. "Quad erat demonstradum" It makes perfect sense to brooklyn QB. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:06:20 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Fri Apr 22 23:04:47 2005. They should've had tazers then so we can still complain.Guys on PCP have been known to break handcuffs to bits and need way more than 4 cops to pile drive the person to subdue them. Though even then they can still have a heartattack and still be blamed! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:08:19 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Fri Apr 22 23:04:47 2005. How could I forget the 4 white cops getting acuqitted. Thanks for reminding me!As was the mob that beat reginald Denny! You apparently have a very selective memory. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Fri Apr 22 23:14:36 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:06:20 2005. But they didn't find a finger in their chile!!! Try getting whacked by a TASER. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:15:15 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Fri Apr 22 23:03:32 2005. Hey now, in this day and age, burning a cross ain't violent. It's my god given right if i was part of the christian right to practice my beliefs without activist judges or gov't getting in the way!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:26:35 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:15:15 2005. Yup, if you are part of the Christian right you can burn a cross. If you are on the Liberal Left, you can burn the flag. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Fri Apr 22 23:34:16 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:15:15 2005. The origin of the burning cross was illumination before Rural Electrification provided by the TVA. When you travel long distanceby highway, you may see three crosses on a hill. They are not illuminated at night. Signs of devotion, not violence. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sat Apr 23 00:01:58 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:26:35 2005. Booo, you ruined my satire. Why is it all leftist are burning flags?Does anyone outside the middle east actually even do it? |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Apr 23 00:24:26 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:26:35 2005. The Christian right doesn't burn crosses. The Liberal left doesn't burn the 'stars and stripes.' Only 'fringe groups' destroy symbols of our nations creation. Our nation was created as a place of refuge for all and established in 'The Crucible of Freedom.' We have the responsibility to see that those before us who established Constitutional Law and Civil Rights for all are not forgotten, even if we don't agree with their politics.RAISE your M1 rifle high over your head, reaching the FLAG and sing: 'This is my country, land of the FREE.' Service can be as easy as attendance in the House of Worship that you choose. 'Home of the Brave.' Remember the lives lost on September 11th, 2001, along with those affected by that 'Day of Infamy.' FREEDOM is a commodity that can be lost but never sold. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sat Apr 23 01:40:31 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by mr_brian on Thu Apr 21 22:29:52 2005. Exactly - he should be glad I pointed out a potential flame war even if it was half hearted. If not for my intervention who knows how much futher it would've gone on. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 02:16:44 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 22:55:46 2005. Was that come to, or come on :0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 02:17:39 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:26:35 2005. If you had a family member who was lynched, you wouldn't say that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 02:18:55 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by tracksionmotor on Fri Apr 22 23:34:16 2005. No, wrong. The cross burning goes even before that. It originated from just after the Civil War. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 02:20:19 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 22:17:54 2005. No, I'm saying that the candidate i question tried to win welection to Congress by telling white voters she would eliminate Section 8 housing so their poorer and mostly black neighbors would leave town. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sat Apr 23 02:30:46 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:06:20 2005. How about the black suspect grabbing the cop's groin and when the camera was shown the cop threw the prep on the car = one part of the story.I am glad the cop was declaired innocent - don't know of the suspect though. Also how about this for reverse racism: I read somewhere a black police cheif fired a few highly decorated veterans not for doing something wrong, but cuz they were white! Not adding fuel to the fire, but where was the media there? *If it was the reverse, the media would show the white police chief as the white satan for canning the black veterans. As I said ppl are too quick to point out the blacks as victims and the whites as nothing. If the white ppl are convicted or fired it's not worth covering. These are just facts. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sat Apr 23 02:38:51 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 20:22:08 2005. That's OK. It's INflammatory. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 07:30:48 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:08:19 2005. And Johnny Cochran was Reginald Denny's attorney....strange but true! |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 08:01:29 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sat Apr 23 02:30:46 2005. [Also how about this for reverse racism: I read somewhere a black police cheif fired a few highly decorated veterans not for doing something wrong, but cuz they were white!]If you can't find the source for this it remains urban legend. The Police Cheif would have his ASS SUED for doing something along those lines. The Mayor (of whatever city this is) would have some say in this too. I suspect there is more to this story than the whiteness of the cops. Perhaps they were involved in profiling cases or receiving kick-backs or other corruption. Until you show proof, this remains suspected BS. SHOW US THE PROOF! |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 08:02:49 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 23:06:10 2005. And Reginald Denny's lawyer was a black man! |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 08:07:35 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 22 22:05:54 2005. In Boston, section 8 also serves a good portion of the Irish community... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 09:57:56 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sat Apr 23 02:30:46 2005. "Also how about this for reverse racism: I read somewhere a black police cheif fired a few highly decorated veterans not for doing something wrong, but cuz they were white! Not adding fuel to the fire, but where was the media there? "They covered it. You read the story, didn't you? So did I? It was pretty ugly. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Apr 23 10:09:38 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by AlM on Fri Apr 22 19:44:58 2005.  In the well off neighborhood the cops will take the kid to his parents' house and give him a stern lecture in front of his parents. Only if he has parents who care. They *may* (rightly or wrongly) presume that in the suburbs. They may (rightly or wrongly) presume otherwise in the inner city. But the police are employees of the local jursdiction (NYC, Nassau County, Stark County etc.) and they will have been given different instructions by those who elected the ones who hired them. People living in NYC have demanded a better quality of life and want the petty hoodlums collected and processed. People living in Nassau County may have asked for a different way of treating kids on the corner. But I'll betcha that has changed since I lived there. Out here, yes the sheriff deputy will bring you back to mama the first time or two, why would he want to make a 40 mile round trip, taking 2 hours out of his patrol to write up some dumb kid. No matter what he does he still has to write up a contact report, and you can bet that social services will look into the matter before too long. In NYC social services is so swamped with cases that they cannot be counted on to handle the little stuff. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Apr 23 10:15:46 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:15:15 2005. I'll pay you to say that to a black person...:0) Look buddy, this could go on forever. You want the truth, all races do things wrong. But sitting here fighting like a bunch of idiots does nothing but inflame. The point is, I was offended by your post. Weither or not that was your intention. If you felt I took your opinion the wrong way, then say it. Or don't judge me for taking it the wrong way. Assholes come in a variety of colors. The Bus Stop thread should have told you that... |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sat Apr 23 10:37:56 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Apr 23 00:24:26 2005. I'd agree with you, but after we ban the filibuster, and let these 10 neo-activist judges take office, none of this will be true anymore. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sat Apr 23 10:39:55 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sat Apr 23 02:30:46 2005. Is this another Cheif Moose story, or something else? |
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Posted by JPC on Sat Apr 23 15:31:21 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by Charles G on Fri Apr 22 21:44:56 2005. Yes. The variance of the mean of N samples is 1/N the variance of each individual sample. The standard deviation, which is the "plus or minus" business, goes as the square root of the variance.So it depends what the variance (that is the uncertainty between one trial and the next) of an individual score is, which I imagine is pretty small. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 16:39:42 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 02:20:19 2005. It's no more incideous an act than a politician promising more entitlements to get minority votes and that is far more common. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 16:42:18 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 07:30:48 2005. Lawyers are largely like whores. Show 'em the money & they'll get into bed with anyone. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:15:18 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 08:07:35 2005. At one point Starrett City was section 8 and 20% minority. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Apr 23 17:49:10 2005, in response to A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Thu Apr 21 17:01:22 2005. First off, I would like to say that the flame war in the middle of the thread is NOT becasue I somehow hate white people. I am surrounded by whites and they will all tell you that I have the utmost respect for them.Now getting back on track, How can we fix urban schools to give Blacks a better education? Is it really impossible? Any ideas, like stircter rules, parent involvment, more funding...? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 18:17:46 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Sat Apr 23 17:49:10 2005. Parents are important. Or at least a motivated guardian. If you can't get that, how about a really motivated teacher (Jaime Escalante, for example). And make sure there are enough textbooks to go around. In some impoverished areas, like Compton CA, school districts are notorious for spending money on administrator salaries, consultants etc and not on the kids. In Kansas City, MO, we have a Head Start program that made sure its administrator, Duane Crompton, made over $300,000 a year in salary,had a nice luxury automobile to drive and a beautiful furnished residence, but didn't accomplish much for the kids. Head Start is a nice program, if criminals like that don't screw it up. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 18:22:39 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Apr 22 23:03:11 2005. Some places in Long Island still see redlining and real estate agents directing people away from white areas. They also refer minorities to crooked mortgage brokers who arrange higher interest rates than they could qualify for. Too bad they don't lose licenses and go to jail for that... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 18:24:26 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 16:42:18 2005. The Constitution encourages that. Good thing, too. |
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Posted by L Train on Sat Apr 23 23:19:34 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Sat Apr 23 17:49:10 2005. 1) Start afterschool and test prep programs in black communities2) Have successful blacks appear at career day 3) Encourage parents to be involved 4) Give kids incentives (ie. free concert tickets) for getting good grades |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 24 01:11:59 2005, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by L Train on Sat Apr 23 23:19:34 2005. Nice ideas. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sun Apr 24 06:20:26 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sat Apr 23 10:39:55 2005. I don't think it was. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sun Apr 24 06:20:57 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 23 09:57:56 2005. Well it was from online - no networks covered it much or at all. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sun Apr 24 06:28:55 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by BMT Guy on Sat Apr 23 08:01:29 2005. Fine. Shit, I had to lose the link!But I know what I read - I would never go out and state something from nothing. And yes firing veterans [for doing no wrongs] for no reason no matter the race is not justified at all and the chief should be grilled for it. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 24 07:24:46 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sun Apr 24 06:20:57 2005. "Well it was from online - no networks covered it much or at all."It was definitely covered in that bastion of liberalism, the New York Times. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Sun Apr 24 12:56:44 2005, in response to Re: A dishonest and biased cultural question..., posted by AlM on Sun Apr 24 07:24:46 2005. Well good for them, I'm glad they did. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sun Apr 24 19:12:38 2005, in response to A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Thu Apr 21 17:01:22 2005. www.gold4yamouth.comThe above store is respectable and ligit. However, if you click on the videos page and click the very bottom one, you'll see why I have concerns about the Black communties issue. This is the most prime example of what I feel is hurting black communties... |
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Posted by JPC on Mon Apr 25 17:04:55 2005, in response to A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Thu Apr 21 17:01:22 2005. Larry Elder's column on the topic |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Sep 10 20:11:46 2011, in response to A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Thu Apr 21 17:01:22 2005. Jayman says it's genetic. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 10 21:05:00 2011, in response to Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Apr 21 20:54:52 2005. Yup. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Sep 10 21:59:09 2011, in response to A honest cultural question..., posted by brooklynQB on Thu Apr 21 17:01:22 2005. Socioeconomic states. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Sep 10 23:20:08 2011, in response to ATTN Jayman Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by dand124 on Sat Sep 10 20:11:46 2011. Way to necropost...Yes, BTW, the answer is that it is in large part genetic, magnified by environmental factors. That environmental factors play a role in say crime rates and illegitimacy among Blacks becomes obvious when you think of life during Segregation. At the moment I live in what can be described as a high-trust society. Part of the reason far Northerners are friendly is because they trust one another. It is great, and it is indeed a far cry from being in say New York City, where people don't trust strangers much at all. I want to visit Quebec City and observe life in a large North American city (pop. ~500,000) that consists of almost 100% French Canadians. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Sep 11 00:17:58 2011, in response to Re: ATTN Jayman Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by JayMan on Sat Sep 10 23:20:08 2011. I want to visit Quebec City and observe life in a large North American city (pop. ~500,000) that consists of almost 100% French Canadians.US 201 -> QC 173 -> A-73 You will know that you're there when you cross the fake looking imitation of the Throgs Neck Bridge. I've actually visited, and IIRC, there are some small numbers of white immigrants, you'll definitely stand out, with a few presuming that you're a visitor from Montreal, but you're unlikely to get the "what are you doing here stare". My aunt's friend lives up there and tolerates being isolated from the rest of the Haitian community in Canada and likes living up there, and in theory, I wouldn't mind living up there, but I could think of other places that I would choose first before moving there. I suspect that the weather scares everybody away as the economy isn't abysmal up there... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 11 09:37:32 2011, in response to ATTN Jayman Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by dand124 on Sat Sep 10 20:11:46 2011. I'll say that it's cultural malaise. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Oct 15 15:15:56 2026, in response to Re: ATTN Jayman Re: A honest cultural question..., posted by JayMan on Sat Sep 10 23:20:08 2011. Did you visit Quebec City?I've never seen dand124 attn: someone. |
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