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Posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:22:36 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 00:12:54 2011. When 1% of the population has 23% of the wealth, I don't see a problem with redistribution in and of itself. In fact, I'm in favor of a negative income tax, to encourage people (mostly minorities) into the workforce by making low-wage service work a more viable option (since most of them are unqualified for other work). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 14 00:27:19 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:22:36 2011. LOL. Not happening. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:28:36 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 14 00:21:20 2011. I don't disagree with you that liberals chose to live in nice (which often means lily-white) areas and that most are hypocritical about this fact. I am not; I know that living around black and brown people is generally not a good idea and I deliberately avoid doing such. But then I also avoid living in urban areas too even if they are lily-white because too many people of any color is too much for my liking. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 14 00:34:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:28:36 2011. I wonder how many white people would not want to live next to me? LOL.I still think you need to buy a rain barrel or two. How's the diet going? Don't give up on that. You've already lost 80 pounds. Have you thought of doing weights? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:42:59 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:22:36 2011. Well this goes back to my proposal for new eugenics (now hopefully no one jumps down my throat this time for somehow promoting genocide when I'm not). If we are going to encourage minorities to live better lives (which means holding down decent jobs), we need to truly make work PAY. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:46:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 14 00:34:57 2011. Nature has already provided an excellent "rain barrel".If I had my way, I would have solar panels and wind turbines hooked up into a trigeneration system and not pay for electricity, heat in the winter nor cooling in the summer. I used to lift weights too. It's been a long time and at some point I will get back to it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 03:22:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:42:59 2011. I do not favor redistribution for its own sake (I don't think anybody does), but I do support the negative income tax. In my case though I think it should be a replacement for most government entitlements. Including but not limited to welfare, food stamps, SSI, social security, Medicare and Medicaid. An exception would be public schools.My reason for supporting this form of redistribution is that IMO it increases overall wealth. IE the entire society is better off on average because some people are a lot better off yet some people are pretty much not worse off at all (do you think a person with billions would really miss another few million?). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 03:25:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 03:22:51 2011. it increases overall wealth.I meant welfare. |
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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:43:48 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Fri May 13 23:22:12 2011. Europeans of Germanic descent (English, Germans, Scandinavians) tend to be harder working than those of more Romance descent (French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians). This is perhaps due to genetic differences between these groups, and may explain the different attitudes Germanic peoples have towards work than Romanesque Europeans.Italians have higher IQs than the Germans and English. Your own posts have pointed it out. The reason the work ethic may be more stoic in those Nordic countries is because of the weather. The hotter the place, the more relaxed the pace of life is. It has to be. You even see this WITHIN Italy when you compare the North and South and within the US when you compare the Northeast and Midwest with the South. Put all those people in the same climate (like in the Northeast US) and the so-called work ethic becomes identical. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:45:11 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 13 23:32:32 2011. Places like Denmark and Sweden have the lowest unemployment rates in the world. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 14 04:45:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:43:48 2011. I don't know about Italians having higher IQ's than Germans and English.Interesting point about work ethic and climate. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:51:26 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:05:15 2011. Taxes are not higher in Europe than here.They are structured differently. The US is federated. Most European countries are centralized meaning national tax rates may be higher than the US federal ones but local taxes are low or non-existent. The gross total of government spending per capita in most European countries is only slightly higher than in the US. The main difference is that instead of spending it on stuff like defense, they spend it on pre-K education, higher education, maternity leave and health care. When you sum up Americans spending on taxes at all levels, employer/employee health insurance premiums and out of pocket expenses, higher education costs and child care, the average American is spending much more, has less saved up and with nothing to show for it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:54:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Dand124 on Fri May 13 23:39:59 2011. you mean taxpayer funded, in that case it’s a transfer of wealth form people who don’t have kids in daycare to people who do.False. Everybody was a child at some point. Also because the US has more immigration than Europe, you have a whole lot of immigrants that would be paying into a system they never benefited from themselves. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:56:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sat May 14 00:22:36 2011. In fact, I'm in favor of a negative income tax, to encourage people (mostly minorities) into the workforce by making low-wage service work a more viable option (since most of them are unqualified for other work).That already exists. It's called the EITC. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 05:11:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 14 04:45:29 2011. I don't know about Italians having higher IQ's than Germans and English.Italy's IQ is identical to Germany's, Austria's and the Netherlands and higher than all the rest of the European countries. This is not surprising at all when you consider Italy's contribution to the arts and sciences which continues today. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat May 14 10:07:51 2011, in response to Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...), posted by Scrabbleship on Fri May 13 11:49:41 2011. 2013 when Nobama, like his Ivory Coast counterpart refuses to leave office and also has 86million dollar found in a swiss bank. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat May 14 11:12:08 2011, in response to Re: Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...), posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 13 12:45:28 2011. No. Reagan drank the poison, Clinton got resuscitated, and Bush II pulled the life support cord, but we're still dying a slow death. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 13:57:05 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 05:11:20 2011. But the collective Italian IQ average had to go up when you left. That should count for something. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 14:05:25 2011, in response to Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Wed May 11 20:39:47 2011. The real problem is that we've elected a President who can't make things work. So instead of realizing that the man is the problem, the liberals are now blaming the system. Most Americans don't want socialism. They want to enjoy the fruits of their labors. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 14 14:41:43 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 14:05:25 2011. 14th of Never. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:44:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:51:26 2011. The main difference is that instead of spending it on stuff like defense, they spend it on pre-K education, higher education, maternity leave and health care.That's because we still defend them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:45:17 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:45:11 2011. What is their participation rate? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:45:33 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:56:57 2011. That's nothing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:50:22 2011, in response to Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...), posted by Scrabbleship on Fri May 13 11:49:41 2011. 20100. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 14 14:55:57 2011, in response to Re: Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...), posted by TonyG on Sat May 14 11:12:08 2011. It's Olog ... he fully supports all that. I suppose by his logic if America dies, then Germany will choke when it eats the remains. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:04:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 14 14:41:43 2011. Hang in there, Dan. Conservatives uphold your right to your opinion - even if you are wrong. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 14 16:10:36 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:04:45 2011. The tipping point might be when Obama actually has to cut SS instead of just not raising the cost of living adjustments. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:27:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 14 16:10:36 2011. They are talking about that coming in the 2030s. Looks like medicare will be cut first. Of course, by then a Republican will be in the white house and the democrats will be wagging their fingers saying we told you so - conveniently forgetting that their duifus caused it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 16:31:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Fri May 13 08:55:44 2011. You're simply sore because SMAZ intellectually beats you like a red headed stepchild.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:33:33 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:44:52 2011. Excellent point |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 14 16:45:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:04:45 2011. Hmm...Every conservative I've ever known upholds the right to *their own* opinion....and insist everyone live (or die) by it |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:46:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:45:17 2011. In March, Denmark's unemployment was about 4%. In Sweden for the same period, it was 7.6% - better than our reported 9% but nothing to be banging the drums over.Others you may be interested in: United States - 8.8% France - 9.2% Germany - 6.7% Netherlands - 4.2% Canada - 6.6% Australia - 4.9% |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:48:43 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by bingbong on Sat May 14 16:45:32 2011. wrong, kevin. you've never heard me insult someone over their opinion - only a response to their insulting comments about mine. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:52:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 16:31:00 2011. If you mean by out name-calling me, perhaps but I'd rather be a success in life - where it counts. Of course you say I'm sore about smaz intellectually beating me but you cannot refute any one of those facts that I posted about him just as you cannot refute the fact that you once said that you wanted to put a bullet into my head over another political discussion. No wonder yu admire smax's debating style so much.... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:52:59 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 16:31:00 2011. If you mean by out name-calling me, perhaps but I'd rather be a success in life - where it counts. Of course you say I'm sore about smaz intellectually beating me but you cannot refute any one of those facts that I posted about him just as you cannot refute the fact that you once said that you wanted to put a bullet into my head over another political discussion. No wonder you admire smax's debating style so much.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 14 16:54:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 16:31:00 2011. Consider yourself refudiated. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 14 16:55:19 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:44:52 2011. pwnt. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 17:07:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:52:52 2011. Nope, he cleans your clock based on knowledge of the subject at hand.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 14 17:25:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:48:43 2011. That's not Kevin, it's Nancy.You got to know who's behind the handle. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 14 17:41:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 14 17:25:25 2011. It's OK ... he gets easily confused, putting plumbing parts on his trains and all. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 17:59:09 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 17:07:42 2011. In your opinion and that isn't worth much. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:00:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 14 17:25:25 2011. Gee Dan, thanks for pointing out the obvious. In reality - there's no difference. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 18:03:18 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 17:59:09 2011. Stick with trains.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 14 18:03:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:48:43 2011. You didn't seem to have any problem doing that here. (not to mention the fact that you were dead wrong there, as gas prices are falling)Not your "finest"moments, but I'm tired of looking. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:08:47 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 18:03:18 2011. Maybe you should stick to what ever it is that you say you do for a "living". That graph smaz posted was bullshit that fooled you and ToniG and a few others who can't read. That was private sector employment. It included minimum wage and seasonal jobs in the private sector. When you add the public sector jobs, and drop out the part time gigs the graph looks totally different. You believe what you want to believe. Even the obama administration wouldn't try to pass off that shit that you are eating. Don't take my word for it though - go back and look for yourself. Unless of course you like being smaz's sock puppet. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:11:27 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by bingbong on Sat May 14 18:03:42 2011. Hey shit for brains, you your ball-less husband and smaz are always taking cheap shots. Don't blame me when I respond in kind. Don't like the comments - don't read the posts. Think of my posts as exercise - and avoid them |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 14 18:12:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:08:47 2011. Pity. They could actually learn something, too . . . |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:13:47 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 14 18:12:00 2011. Not really. You actually need an open mind to learn something. They've not wanted to be confused by facts for years. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 18:16:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:08:47 2011. I make my living from being in business, something you can't do. Sure I could get a government job like yours, but I'm better off as a capitalist in the private sector.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 14 18:20:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 18:11:27 2011. I could care less about your juvenile behavior....though your workplace superiors would likely think differently. Do NOT pretend that you aren't the hateful, spiteful arrogant troll you are.Your message above is directly in opposition to your claims. Pointing out examples of your behavior is no cheap shit, aside from their being your own words, your own cheap shots. At minimum you can rescind any claim to civility on your part. |
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