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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 12 11:55:30 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 11:50:17 2011. You mean he should try your dreamworld instead? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:55:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 11:34:42 2011. Enlighten me if you don't mind... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 11:57:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:49:09 2011. Same here.We are obviously talking about the British Labour party, France and Spain's Socialists, Germany's SPD, Australia and NZ's Labour, Italy's PD, Canada and Japan's Liberals, etc. Unfortunately when conservatives here think of soshulizim, they either think of Castro or of their precious little Jenny banging Tyrone while she's holding up a younyuhn sign. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 12 11:58:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:55:45 2011. You're rattling trollogs cage, careful, he may report you to the FBI. 8-) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 11:58:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 11:50:17 2011. get off the EU Observer and take a trip there one of these days. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 12 12:00:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 11:58:10 2011. pwnt haha |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:01:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 11:33:47 2011. Yes, however not all the people who talk communism know the difference and sometimes claim they want it when the things they want have nothing to do with communism. These normal non-terrorist need something more specific for their point as their basis is not in line with their conclusion. To resolve the base facts is to naturally resolve the answer.In other words, the hardest thing to diagnose is the problem of course, instead of spinning millions of solutions to a non-problem. Hence, we all want vacations, a clean home, and not to be triple taxed on overtime pay, and these greedy rich socialist, none of whom have ever worked a 'regular' job, never address these issues but get the support who those who do. it's a con game. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 12:02:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 11:57:06 2011. LOL! No doubt!Tyrone huh: |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 12 12:05:12 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:01:49 2011. A regular "meeting of the minds" going on here, HUH?rotflmao |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:31:40 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:49:09 2011. You bring up a very long post with a very faulty base, but with some correct conclusions based on this and many many points. Something that cannot be "coherently" discussed quickly w/o creating a 70 page term paper. Anything more coherent would be less useful. Therefore all I can do is correct the base, try to help with some examples that if you do research on those communes or early settlements would help with your thesis, and then clarify your race point.Take my post and make it into bullet points. "I find it interesting that you don't answer what I'm saying directly" Because there are always the dumb, as the one who responded to you above me right here, who don't know to read anyone, and veer these things off into tangents and ruin everyones threads. So don't blame me. with this said, what you advocate(which I realized at first) has two problems. The first is what you addressed, those with the power is going to grant the services to those who support them. This is the biggest failure of state controlled items. A mayor gets elected, and he shuts down "services" to the neighborhoods who did not vote for him for a week. This is an extreme case but this singular or group of people with influence is the fallacy in all of these systems, so you never even get equality. [not to mention most services provided by cities should not even exist as such]. To go back to your original post, this is mostly true in racial politics and tribalism when one wants to make it an issue for power and money, like the Sharptons etc.... To throw my own spin into the problem of the Canada, US, and Europe: The problem is that the government is subsidizing low wages by providing things to people that they cannot get themselves thanks to that subsidization. Things that you WOULD be able to afford if that subsidization did not exist thanks to wage increases if left alone. This one would require a very large post, that I can try to make in the future if you like, but look at Universities. Unaffordable, and moves faster than inflation. No one can afford it. But no one would go to these schools with this rate without someone paying for it. Without subsidy, the prices would be forced to plummet to an affordable rate or else there would be no one to attend the school. This goes for everything, it's cheaper to pay for your own trash, lighting, roads, and so forth. To summarize, if you don't get paid enough and need a social program to make ends meet, this is because the gov't is paying the other half and you therefore don't need to make more. If you don't get paid enough to make ends meet without social programs, you would not be working that job. Who cares about the price of things when you can get someone to pick up the tab. And then the person(gov't) picking up the tab will set preconditions and squanders it for their own groups. When employers cannot find any employees at all, wages go up. When employers have 1500 applicants to fill every 1 position that can open up, wages do not go up and people are easily fired. Which is caused by social capitalism. There is no such thing as no growth or negative growth in nature, it contradicts. Therefore the premise is somewhat faulty to address. If I had many days, I'd love to write about this with citations and make a book etc, but as I don't live in Greece, whose got the time! :) Money has no discrimination. In Tampa there were no segregation on the streetcars. Five cents = five cents. Discrimination only comes from socialism and social capitalism. So I agree, but I have reservations about the system you want and propose however. For somewhat circular reasons. And I mightly resent the system we live in today which all but makes illegal for to easily start their own business and allow ourselves to be freed from slavery. Working for some agency to give me a shanty is what if not slavery? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:33:41 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 11 22:23:43 2011. What you suggest has only happened once in history. And it freed us from the slavery of social justice. It is called the USA with a very limited and restricted ruling class who cannot enslave the population like all those countries you envied has.I'm being read The Word outloud as i type this and have not heard your version yet. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:35:38 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:49:09 2011. On second thought, it's not easy to respond to your query.I want to discuss your issue but I keep finding myself getting hanged up on the general problems and failure with the concept instead of accepting it and only talking of it's execution in relation to the USA. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 12:44:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:31:40 2011. So the basic gist of what you're saying is that government subsidy (in the form of financial aid in the case of higher ed) artificially inflates the price, and that a laissez-faire market would bring the prices down and wages up to a livable level.However, there is plenty of evidence that this is false. For one, no economic system in the world thrives on a laissez-faire market. Second, eairler at the turn of the 20th century when the economy was more laissez-faire, life was miserable for the vast majority of people. The free market is useful, up to a point. Unfettered markets cannot solve every problem, which is no government in the world has them (that isn't otherwise a failed state). |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 13:57:33 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:31:40 2011. Money has no discrimination. In Tampa there were no segregation on the streetcars. Five cents = five cents. Discrimination only comes from socialism and social capitalism.So I agree, but I have reservations about the system you want and propose however. For somewhat circular reasons. Also, you're assuming incorrectly that free markets/centrally planned markets (classic excluded middle fallacy at work, BTW) operate irrespective of racial issues and racism—ignoring that Homo economicus does not exist and that social and economic systems operate in the framework of human nature, and that ethnocentrism and tribalism are very much a part of human nature. The main reason that Western and Far Eastern economies work first and foremost is because of the people that inhabit these places, and I think that's a point everyone is glancing over. The economic model based on human capital and trade with an educated workforce only works on people with a triple-digit average IQ, and this is why it has thus far been unsuccessful in its application to the rest of the world. Only in these societies can enough people attain educations and hold down the highly cognitively demanding jobs that a First World society needs in order to function. I'm arguing that America never embraced the social welfare model that the rest of the developed world has because, in part, of its diversity. The rest of the First world has a natural all-inclusive mentality because they are homogenous. America on the other hand has been historically more tribal, worse, we don't have a fully productive enough populace (as the tired old wisdom about how so bad we're supposedly doing educationally vs the rest of the world constantly reminds us). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 14:51:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 11:13:56 2011. Excellent writing! Anyone who's ever done dorms or communes or such can see that your description of intersocial responsibility is well taken. Since I've got a lot of things to do today, I'll just leave my own contribution that organized capitalism is just as insane and has as many if not more downsides. It's a shame that we can't find a happy medium somewhere in between the extremes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 14:52:58 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 12 11:58:03 2011. Nah ... he gets a recording ever time. FBI has caller ID. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 14:58:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 11:50:17 2011. That's how you fascists solve problems ... by taking away more and more and more and holding it up as an example of better. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 15:10:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:55:45 2011. the parties and posters are racist in nature, with most europeans saying plurism does not work.In part because of master "religions" but other part due to most of the crime. Austria had a poster of one black sheep amongst white sheep(i think they won) and on the other hand you have a black guy running for elections in France with his only platform being something translated into english and anti-jew. There is no shortage of examples. I lost a few pages last week, one was about France stopping all the trains from Italy for migrants. But like all issues, it's not cut and dry, there's racists, minorities, crime, religion, and illegals. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 15:11:09 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:55:45 2011. But most of his posts are about the subject you are asking for enlightenment...Those who make fun and don't read 'em as you see are offering no info |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 15:24:27 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 15:10:29 2011. Anti-immigration is different from racism. One can harbor no real ill-will to other groups of people and not want them living in your country, especially justified in the case of the Europeans because they have an ancestral claim to the continent (unlike the majority in North America). As I see it, Europeans are railing against (mostly darker skinned) immigrants because they are indeed more prone to crime, and as a group do indeed achieve and contribute less economically. Basically, what they are discovering is that different groups of people are NOT interchangeable but are traditionally unwilling to admit this—sometimes even to themselves—in good part out of revulsion the events of the past (Nazism), leaving only the most extreme and truly racist segments to speak out.But most of his posts are about the subject you are asking for enlightenment... Those who make fun and don't read 'em as you see are offering no info I read most of his posts. Though he apparently doesn't realize this, he's not offering much substantive. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 12 15:31:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 15:24:27 2011. You're still yapping about racism and "darker skinned" and immigrants?I saw those photos you posted from home the other day. It looks like a very very white environment. I'll bet that your zip code is about 95% white, and that you don't hear Spanish or any foreign language spoken often in public. Few if any drive an old Toyota with tinted windows, silver rims displaying a foreign flag. Your neighbors don't walk they pitbull or blast el Sonidero that can be heard a 1/4 mile away. But you're a minority. I know. You moved up there for the "peace and quiet". |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 15:36:17 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 12 15:31:06 2011. No but I do hear gunfire routinely and my neighbor's goats and roosters are quite loud...and at times that donkey does make quite a ruckus...You're very one-dimensional aren't you? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 12 15:40:31 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 15:36:17 2011. You're very one-dimensional aren't you?Are you serious? You've been ranting and raving about IQ, "Dark skinned", and immigrants for months now. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 15:40:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 15:36:17 2011. Ruckus. LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 15:57:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 12 15:40:31 2011. Now that's funny . . . he sure is one to call anyone "one-dimensional".BTW, the ultimate expression of socialism:  |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 16:44:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 15:10:29 2011. None of those racist and anti-immigrant parties would get any votes if they were threatening to take away the hard-earned rights and social benefits of the voters.They don't dare go there. That's the difference between American racists and European ones. The European ones aren't so stupid as to vote against their own economic interests just so they can stick it to Ahmed and Mamadou. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 12 16:46:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 16:44:54 2011. Ah more racism from |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Thu May 12 16:57:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 12 11:15:01 2011. Or your previous post! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 12 16:59:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by mr mabstoa on Thu May 12 16:57:32 2011. His memory is failing as fast as the rest of his brain. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 12 18:09:41 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 11 22:25:50 2011. 14th of Never.We need to get back to the 1950's when the Republicans and the Democrats talked to each other and worked out ways so the law got passed. When Reagan became President he changed the Republican Party to the Party of NO. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 18:13:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 12 18:09:41 2011. But we could do with a lot LESS McCarthy, thank you. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu May 12 18:18:48 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 18:13:25 2011. The Republican Party jumped the shark back in 1912 when lard ass Taft kicked Teddy Roosevelt out. Now the sniveling lying rats are trying to call TR a Republican. why do you think FDR came up with his ideology? He knew the evil which the Republican Party is. Teddy Roosevelt died a Bull Mooser, not a Nazi. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 18:20:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by RockParkMan on Thu May 12 18:18:48 2011. I've found no point in arguing with republicans, they're like Mac users as far as their thing being a church. Just no point. :) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 20:28:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 13:57:33 2011. I just spent some time in a state that is very homogeneous, and it coincidentally had always been very 'socialist', but is a major hq for most big name companies AND had a very low unemployment rate. But that was just a fun fact."The main reason that Western and Far Eastern economies work first and foremost is because of the people that inhabit these places, and I think that's a point everyone is glancing over" Yes they do, and call me old fashioned but the problem with these conversations today is that everything has to be PC so the conversation is pointless. I do disagree with two things in this post somewhat however: "only works on people with a triple-digit average IQ, and this is why it has thus far been unsuccessful in its application to the rest of the world" Unless you can draw a correlation between IQ and work ethic, which might be possible but I hadn't considered it, I think some people are more industrious than others. Some groups, ethnic or culture, have this hard days work value put into them. You can notice this with whatever the expression for the Germans or the Scandinavian people were. Which coincidentally was the majority of the inhabitants of the state I was referring to in my first paragraph. And secondly on this point, the USA was not always that diverse, it was majority Germanic. Then anglo, jewish, irish, etc etc etc.. So unless one can argue that IQ equals discipline and industriousness, I'm not so sure I agree. But maybe there is a correlation since as you pointed out, the successful nations ARE the ones with a good IQ. I am not ready to discount the rest of the world because, take Africa for an example, there are plenty of socialist countries in the world. Or Korea, Russia, whatever. The culture of corruption killed it. In the sucessful nations, there was a STRICT sense of honor and law, sometimes of Judeao-christianity. The old USA, parts of Europe and the middle east, and of course China and Japan where it's very dishonorable to steal and cheat. Maybe there is a correlation between IQ and values??? It's a very interesting point and topic....of which I have a few books on that are 60 to 100+ years old in my closet I think. :) I know of at least one anyway. Which leads to point two: "I'm arguing that America never embraced the social welfare model that the rest of the developed world has because, in part, of its diversity" But I addressed this further up when I said that I don't think America was that diverse back in the day. And then went on to religion versus IQ and work ethic. We could be more productive, but laws are probably stopping that. If the unions didn't stop the shortening of the workweek from it's silly 40 hours 90 years ago we'd probably have more employment. Plus making it impossible to fire people, and having an average cost of $10k per new employee I hear doesn't help. I don't know about you, but I love looking at those old warehouse photos where they have over 100 men loading a freight car. Today that's one union guy with a forklift. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 20:42:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 12:44:00 2011. "life was miserable for the vast majority of people."Eh, but the stuff that makes life new back then was as new as the newest tv today, so things start expensive as it is. I don't believe in unfettered markets, but there is a point where I cannot flush the toliet because of overregulation that really stifles things(if I had a dollar for every idea I had that I found out I can't do for some stupid rules....). The problem with unfettered things is obvious in history when we have price fixing and the like. But that is corruption. But we also have to point out that even Trotsky went over the US to make his point, and was impressed with the living standards of the so called poor. Which is a relative term. I don't want to, and I don't like making things in black and white, no pun intended, but when something is paid for on an invisible persons dime, therefore everyone uses it without conscience, price artificially inflates. Putting it this way, if buying a car was as simple as having your employer pay for it, and you only needed a 100 dollar copay, an Aveo would probably be 80,000 dollars right now! Then we spiral out of control in rules and taxes, until life is unaffordable, and we complain that we don't make enough for that aveo because there wasn't enough left to pay us with. My comparison with health insurance, which btw, I went to an ER department last year, was in and out in under an hour, paid 70 dollars. I disagree with Barrack Hussein Obama Sr who said we can be taxed 100% if all our needs were fulfilled. Because a) like North Korea, who is it exactly telling us how many potato chips is enough? a benevolent dictator? and B) people always want and need more! All my posts keep getting longer than I intent to by a longshot, but I have to go on this one tangent point but relates back to your original post. Back to the point A example I just gave on the potato chips. All of these systems we've been talking about have bureaucrats setting these rules because we're told they are honest and have no power to be corrupted, and therefore like judges are impartial. But when you see anyone walking down your street(through your farm, milking your cows if you bought any yet) do you see anyone who knows what is really good for you? I personally have enough common sense. But maybe that's an IQ thing to go back to your other post(I replied to these two backwards). EVERYTHING has a positive and a negative side. Sometimes I pine for that lassez-faire days so that I can walk to a place and get a job and paid that same day. Nowadays it's a 2 month long project getting a job, filling out bs forms online, drug test, whatever else, and then waiting weeks to get paid, and everyone is too afraid to hire anyone because you can't fire nobody! OTOH, I wouldn't want the safety record they had 125 years ago. There's always something. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 20:44:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 20:28:34 2011. I forgot one thing somewhere in there. All the major tourist destinations were created by lassiez faire capitalism. Havana to Singapore to Brugges. It's the socialism that has a positive effect but freezing these places(like Havana) in time w/o any progress. :)I like seeing how many museums and attractions I can go to that was done by some rich person versus gov't founded. The quantity is really high! |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri May 13 03:54:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 12 15:40:31 2011. Yup like he said....one diemnsional.,,..WASSUP! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 13 04:03:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri May 13 03:54:44 2011. Did you hear about the body found on the street in Brentwood. Second one this month! Just an ordinary town. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri May 13 04:09:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 13 04:03:32 2011. lol |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 13 04:13:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri May 13 04:09:42 2011. wassup? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 13 07:19:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Wed May 11 21:17:19 2011. Brown people? Sounds like something from the 70's again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 13 08:55:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 13 07:19:39 2011. Smaz is a racist - pure and simple. He's also a hater. One only needs to view the sum total of his postings here and they will see for themselves.People who don't vote the way he believes, should have thier heads cut off. barack obama represents black people in the white house. Jews should be assaulted by family members if the don't think in lockstep with other Jews. Sure sounds like one sick individual to me. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 13 11:20:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 13 04:13:20 2011. lapdog syndrome, that's all. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Fri May 13 11:49:41 2011, in response to Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Wed May 11 20:39:47 2011. The United States of America: 1776-20??When will America (as we know it) kick the bucket, why, and how. This nation is dying and it doesn't know it. |
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Re: Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 13 11:52:54 2011, in response to Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...), posted by Scrabbleship on Fri May 13 11:49:41 2011. It isn't dying of natural causes, either. Extremist liberals are poisoning it. |
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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 13 12:13:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 12 14:51:10 2011. I've been thinking and this is like one of those college classes where you spend 3/4ths of it on some background and theory before even getting to the 'answer'.There's no shortage of writing on racial groupings and why some countries work great, and others do not. Even Teddy Roosevelt has done some. One could even make the case that it's not an issue of "white"(Asia..) considering that the state doing the best is the one where 'white' is the minority. And then you have to ignore that english doesn't equal russian nor italian. But I'm tired of gov't restrictive rules to solve problems they caused. Let's start over. I don't think Jayman intended for it, but there's way too many issues and variables in his point to take in one sitting. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Fri May 13 12:14:08 2011, in response to Re: Fill in the Numbers (Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America...), posted by Train Dude on Fri May 13 11:52:54 2011. No, this nation needs to be more progressive for its own good and future. I think that extremist conservatives also have poison. |
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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 13 12:14:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 13 07:19:39 2011. Since those 70's people are in power, I still hear that nonsense term today. |
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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 13 12:16:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 00:35:13 2011. right wingers are the ones who try to banish property taxes. Marco Rubio's platform and Sarah Palins support.It's those bastions of progressivism that fight it and skyrockets the cost. NY [Isn't it interesting that the right-wingers like to bash things that they know nothing about?] Reality versus cartoon comedy disguised as pundits telling you falsehoods. Property taxes are immoral. And land ownership in Europe is difficult to attain at best. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 13 12:20:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:29:13 2011. "why 5 weeks guaranteed paid vacation, free day care, mandated parental leave, and free universal health care are bad things "They are only bad for people who are unemployed. Get a job and you can get this in some companies. Bring back Bush or Gringrich and give us full employment and we will be soon on a 4 day workweek. I do nothing that is either "free" or "universal". My time is too valuable to sit in a dirty 60 year old chair surrounded by degenerate. There, it's answered. You will never get 5 weeks off like most other countries, because every holiday you currently have is sued by a leftist Democrat for being too religious in nature, and therefore "unconstitutional". Bring back Easter, Christmas, Lincoln and Washingtons Birthday and down the list. I worked for a place that had to delete part of Christmas to give us MLK day to satisfy a client base. There's the fallacy in your system in the highest example. |
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