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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 11:13:56 2011, in response to Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Wed May 11 20:39:47 2011.

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having vacations and a place to live has nothing to do with socialism, in fact, it is the very opposite of socialism. Socialism technically is a vacationless workers paradise living in a dorm to support the collective, if you do not pull your weight, you are dead weight.
Notice the democrats never address anything the actual working people want(and I don't mean teacher vacation pay bills named emergency "jobs bills")
With this said, when I see any rap video I see no socialism, I see the most greedy version of capitalism that no whitey would even go for.

Now I obviously did not address what you were saying directly, but I thought that should be pointed out in the subject. But I will say you are correct, even in the so called socialist chants today I see division and me first. I call it so-called because all I see is greedy people who want to take and not give, there appear to be no "true" socialist in the accepted term, they're more of pawns for a great ploy for the political elite. And yes it should be noted there is a lot of tribalism and divisions from every so called rich fake socialist I see speaking on the subject on a daily basis.

But I will disagree with you on a single point. Speaking of socialism is the same as coke, pepsi, republican, democrat, new york or los angeles. The term people think of is the marketing, and not the reality of such. Socialism doesn't work for the reason you claim, but this is the fairy tale marketing version to sell to you. the REAL socialism does work, because of the marketing. The Rich elite class who push socialism get to shore up their power by telling these fairy tales and lies to people, therefore having it work every single time. Therefore, Socialism for what it really is unclothed works, but the phoney concept of how it is sold but never done isn't.

*** but if you need good examples for your point, I felt the fake version of socialism has only worked(they all failed, but were enacted I should say) in small communial area's, communes, or groups. Even to some of the first settlers in the new world.
Hence this demonstrates why ALL socialist movements required a very large percentage of it's population to be cleansed. There is also the aspect that like bugs, people all have to have the same group-think and goals and ideas in order to even be the one. Which subsects into ethnic groups. It is not because of any inherit racism; for anyone with the same ideals, wants, and attitude can be partially accepted into any group. It is more of a cultural issue until people introduce segregation into themselves.

But I am all over the board in trying to reply to you with clarifications and additions without editing and thinking this out. Even though, the only people i see pushing the so called "socialism" are all fifthly stinking rich who coincidentally are the ones who give the least back, if any at all. Hence, how they use you as pawns, do as I say not as I do, and no leadership from the top down.

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