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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 12:31:40 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 11:49:09 2011. You bring up a very long post with a very faulty base, but with some correct conclusions based on this and many many points. Something that cannot be "coherently" discussed quickly w/o creating a 70 page term paper. Anything more coherent would be less useful. Therefore all I can do is correct the base, try to help with some examples that if you do research on those communes or early settlements would help with your thesis, and then clarify your race point.Take my post and make it into bullet points. "I find it interesting that you don't answer what I'm saying directly" Because there are always the dumb, as the one who responded to you above me right here, who don't know to read anyone, and veer these things off into tangents and ruin everyones threads. So don't blame me. with this said, what you advocate(which I realized at first) has two problems. The first is what you addressed, those with the power is going to grant the services to those who support them. This is the biggest failure of state controlled items. A mayor gets elected, and he shuts down "services" to the neighborhoods who did not vote for him for a week. This is an extreme case but this singular or group of people with influence is the fallacy in all of these systems, so you never even get equality. [not to mention most services provided by cities should not even exist as such]. To go back to your original post, this is mostly true in racial politics and tribalism when one wants to make it an issue for power and money, like the Sharptons etc.... To throw my own spin into the problem of the Canada, US, and Europe: The problem is that the government is subsidizing low wages by providing things to people that they cannot get themselves thanks to that subsidization. Things that you WOULD be able to afford if that subsidization did not exist thanks to wage increases if left alone. This one would require a very large post, that I can try to make in the future if you like, but look at Universities. Unaffordable, and moves faster than inflation. No one can afford it. But no one would go to these schools with this rate without someone paying for it. Without subsidy, the prices would be forced to plummet to an affordable rate or else there would be no one to attend the school. This goes for everything, it's cheaper to pay for your own trash, lighting, roads, and so forth. To summarize, if you don't get paid enough and need a social program to make ends meet, this is because the gov't is paying the other half and you therefore don't need to make more. If you don't get paid enough to make ends meet without social programs, you would not be working that job. Who cares about the price of things when you can get someone to pick up the tab. And then the person(gov't) picking up the tab will set preconditions and squanders it for their own groups. When employers cannot find any employees at all, wages go up. When employers have 1500 applicants to fill every 1 position that can open up, wages do not go up and people are easily fired. Which is caused by social capitalism. There is no such thing as no growth or negative growth in nature, it contradicts. Therefore the premise is somewhat faulty to address. If I had many days, I'd love to write about this with citations and make a book etc, but as I don't live in Greece, whose got the time! :) Money has no discrimination. In Tampa there were no segregation on the streetcars. Five cents = five cents. Discrimination only comes from socialism and social capitalism. So I agree, but I have reservations about the system you want and propose however. For somewhat circular reasons. And I mightly resent the system we live in today which all but makes illegal for to easily start their own business and allow ourselves to be freed from slavery. Working for some agency to give me a shanty is what if not slavery? |
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