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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 12 20:28:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Thu May 12 13:57:33 2011. I just spent some time in a state that is very homogeneous, and it coincidentally had always been very 'socialist', but is a major hq for most big name companies AND had a very low unemployment rate. But that was just a fun fact."The main reason that Western and Far Eastern economies work first and foremost is because of the people that inhabit these places, and I think that's a point everyone is glancing over" Yes they do, and call me old fashioned but the problem with these conversations today is that everything has to be PC so the conversation is pointless. I do disagree with two things in this post somewhat however: "only works on people with a triple-digit average IQ, and this is why it has thus far been unsuccessful in its application to the rest of the world" Unless you can draw a correlation between IQ and work ethic, which might be possible but I hadn't considered it, I think some people are more industrious than others. Some groups, ethnic or culture, have this hard days work value put into them. You can notice this with whatever the expression for the Germans or the Scandinavian people were. Which coincidentally was the majority of the inhabitants of the state I was referring to in my first paragraph. And secondly on this point, the USA was not always that diverse, it was majority Germanic. Then anglo, jewish, irish, etc etc etc.. So unless one can argue that IQ equals discipline and industriousness, I'm not so sure I agree. But maybe there is a correlation since as you pointed out, the successful nations ARE the ones with a good IQ. I am not ready to discount the rest of the world because, take Africa for an example, there are plenty of socialist countries in the world. Or Korea, Russia, whatever. The culture of corruption killed it. In the sucessful nations, there was a STRICT sense of honor and law, sometimes of Judeao-christianity. The old USA, parts of Europe and the middle east, and of course China and Japan where it's very dishonorable to steal and cheat. Maybe there is a correlation between IQ and values??? It's a very interesting point and topic....of which I have a few books on that are 60 to 100+ years old in my closet I think. :) I know of at least one anyway. Which leads to point two: "I'm arguing that America never embraced the social welfare model that the rest of the developed world has because, in part, of its diversity" But I addressed this further up when I said that I don't think America was that diverse back in the day. And then went on to religion versus IQ and work ethic. We could be more productive, but laws are probably stopping that. If the unions didn't stop the shortening of the workweek from it's silly 40 hours 90 years ago we'd probably have more employment. Plus making it impossible to fire people, and having an average cost of $10k per new employee I hear doesn't help. I don't know about you, but I love looking at those old warehouse photos where they have over 100 men loading a freight car. Today that's one union guy with a forklift. |
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