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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:19:36 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 14:17:39 2011. Then no need to continue to offer solutions (more birth control) to a nonexistent problem. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 14:21:54 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:17:06 2011. Unless I'm wrong it sounds like you're saying one is "a little bit murder" kind of like "a little bit pregnant." I don't think there's that much wiggle room.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:24:21 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:18:08 2011. Because more people can agree that late term abortions is murder. There's very much ambiguity earlier into pregnancies. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:29:40 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:24:21 2011. Votes are how we decide whether or not people agree. If you have no ambiguity I don't understand you being pro-choice. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:30:24 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:29:40 2011. Well in this case, it's the Supreme Court, but you know what I mean. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:33:36 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:29:40 2011. Because my view is only one of many on this topic. Plus, due to the fact that I am a male, and not a female, I generally feel I have no right to say to a female what they can/cannot do with their bodies. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 27 14:52:51 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:33:36 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 27 15:47:54 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:17:06 2011. be careful, aparently the leftists herecwoild rather you position be that you are some rw extremist that is ready to bomb abortion clinics than someone thats willing to give people a choice or respect that other people may not have the same view as you. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 18:55:07 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:07:02 2011. No you are a moral relativist. He's not.You say it's OK for murders and killings to go unabated and unstopped as long as others are doing it because you don't want to rock the boat. That's Pol Pot shit. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 18:56:35 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 14:21:54 2011. Unless I'm wrong it sounds like you're saying one is "a little bit murder" kind of like "a little bit pregnant."Simple; if a woman is only a little bit pregnant, then abortion would only be a little bit murder. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 18:58:16 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 18:56:35 2011. I think that it's if the fetus is only a little bit alive... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:00:31 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 09:48:39 2011. You treat KILLING the same way as say, legalized drugs or prostitution or legal drinking laws or pooper-scooper laws?That's it a matter of opinion? That what you consider the elective murder of human beings is something where good people can have reasonable disagreements? That's not how it works. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 19:06:48 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 18:55:07 2011. You know, I am really FUCKIN sick of this shit from you at this point. I am done with it. Moron. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 19:07:42 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:00:31 2011. Go to hell asshole, I am done with you at this point. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:09:43 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:12:03 2011. Before and during WW2 many ordinary and decent Germans thought that Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, the retarded and others were full human beings that should not be killed.It saddened them when they heard what was happening. Then they shrugged and went on with their business, saying "well, it's legal to kill them and others disagree with me". History has not been kind to them. Saying "I wouldn't do it" or "it's wrong, but what are you gonna do" is monstrous and contrary to the moral tenets of human civilization. You are making genocide a mere matter of opinion. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:16:44 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 19:06:48 2011. You know, I am really FUCKIN sick of this shit from you at this point. I am done with it. Moron.Great. I use logic and you call me a moron. Talk about hostility. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 27 19:24:44 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:16:44 2011. In republican world, it's considered as dangerous as dividing by zero.
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:28:14 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:37:48 2011. my personal belief is that life begins at the moment of conception.I, however, don't want to impose my personal beliefs on others, therefore I am pro-choice. Great. Another moral relativist. If you believe that life begins at conception or shortly after, you should have answered the way Easy did, that is that the government can regulate a woman's body in order to safeguard the life of a human being. That's a morally sound answer. Your's is NOT. You decided to draw the line of humanhood at conception, yet don't care about their wholesale legalized massacre. Your position is morally cowardly. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:34:43 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:14:38 2011. No. I am very, very much against late term abortions.Why the singling out of late term abortions? If a days-old embryo is already Little Johnnie to you and it's fine for society to legally kill him, why draw the line when Little Johnnie is seven moths old? Where is the logic behind such a position? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 19:36:29 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 27 19:24:44 2011. No I am done with his unwarranted accusations. It's utterly ridiculous at this point, I have every right to be pissed. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:39:38 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:24:21 2011. So legal mass murder is a matter of societal consensus to you?To be treated like zoning laws or sidewalk width regulations. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:43:00 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:28:14 2011. You know what. I am sick and tired of you nitpicking me on EVERY FRIGGING THING I WRITE ON THIS BOARD! Sick of it!I EVEN AGREE WITH YOU MORE OFTEN THEN NOT AND YOU STILL ALWAYS TRY TO RIP ME A NEW ONE! FOR YOUR INFORMATION, ASSHOLE, I used to have a different opinion on this subject. One that you'd disagree with and rip into me for as well, but at least you wouldn't call me a coward. In fact, you are a coward, sitting there behind your computer screen and always trying to tell everyone else how stupid they are! I used to be fully pro-life at the moment of conception. You have no idea how many women have SCREAMED at me that I had NO RIGHT TO DICTATE WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR BODIES! I was tired of having an argument with women that I could NEVER win. Therefore, I came up with my current position that I am pro-life but I don't have the right, being a man, to dictate what a woman does with HER body. Got a problem with that, wise guy! |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:49:21 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:39:38 2011. Screw you, you're pro-choice anyways. So, therefore you don't consider it mass murder. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 27 19:49:43 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 19:36:29 2011. That may be ... I'm merely commenting on how "logic" is generally defined. Wasn't commenting on you or the piece of the thread you're in ... already made my own comment WAY back there. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:50:20 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:34:43 2011. Because the mother had Little Johnnie around for a little longer and little Johnnie is more of a human than he was before anyways (more developed, less of an opportunity for a miss-carriage). |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:50:38 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 10:11:16 2011. Exactly.He still doesn't get it. I strongly support Roe v Wade too for reasons similiar to yours but NOT HIS. I have no beef with the true pro-life people other than disagreeing about when humanhood begins (for me it's at viability). I have beefs with moral relativists. I would be a moral relativist too if i believed in legalized late-term abortions (other than to save a woman's life). Chris and PHXTUSbusfan don't get it. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 19:56:52 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 18:58:16 2011. I think that it's if the fetus is only a little bit alive...No, a little bit human. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:59:12 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:50:20 2011. Because the mother had Little Johnnie around for a little longer and little Johnnie is more of a human than he was before anyways (more developed, less of an opportunity for a miss-carriage).Under such logic, a 15 year old kid is more of a human than a newborn infant since he can survive on his own and the newborn cannot and Mommy has had him around longer. Do you also grant teenagers greater personhood over infants when it comes to freedom from wanton legalized murder because of this? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 27 19:59:18 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 19:06:48 2011. I stopped taking him seriously. If he were a man, I might have done otherwise. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 27 20:00:33 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:43:00 2011. Hey - he's a freaking liberal. He's on your side. Buck up for the suds, man! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:02:21 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:49:21 2011. Screw you, you're pro-choice anyways. So, therefore you don't consider it mass murder.That's right but YOU DO and you wash your hands about it. So which of the two of us is more immoral. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:05:00 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 27 20:00:33 2011. No. He's made it a mission to try to get under my skin in any way possible by contradicting EVERY SINGLE THING I post on this board.Now, he's accusing me of genocide because I have a different view on when life begins that he does. He's full of shit. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:05:24 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:02:21 2011. I know one thing.You are a giant prick. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 27 20:06:06 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:05:00 2011. He makes it his mission for many here. Why give him the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 27 20:06:41 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:05:24 2011. You give him too much credit. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 27 20:12:38 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 19:09:43 2011. So then, why do you not state clearly that you support the conservative plank that would make all abortion illegal? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:12:57 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 19:43:00 2011. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, ASSHOLE, I used to have a different opinion on this subject. One that you'd disagree with and rip into me for as well, but at least you wouldn't call me a coward. Where have I ever ripped somebody for being truly pro-life? I used to be fully pro-life at the moment of conception. You have no idea how many women have SCREAMED at me that I had NO RIGHT TO DICTATE WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR BODIES! I was tired of having an argument with women that I could NEVER win. Having people scream at you for what you think is right is honorable. It's why I'm not bothered by you screaming at me or calling me an asshole. I'm not the bad guy here. If spirited discussion gets you unhinged so easily, then you may want to stick with pizza and taco threads. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:17:41 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:05:00 2011. Now, he's accusing me of genocide because I have a different view on when life begins that he does.He's full of shit. I am not accusing you of genocide because I don't believe it's genocide. Therefore I cannot be full of shit. I am challenging your reasoning which is unsound. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:18:37 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:02:21 2011. Ok. After airing my Sicilian temper (and remaining very upset) I will attempt to answer your question as best as I can remaining as calm as I can.The point at which I consider life beginning and you consider life beginning is immaterial here. I am not a woman, therefore, I have NO RIGHT TO REGULATE WHAT WOMEN DO WITH THEIR BODIES. Have I ever been pregnant? No. Will I ever be able to become pregnant? No. Do I have a right to make laws about decisions that people face that I will never be presented with? I don't believe so. Yes, I believe that a human life begins from the moment of conception. Yes, I believe that human life is precious. But, I am also a realist. I know that even if abortion became illegal, people would still try to find ways to abort their babies. Ways that would be more harmful to both the baby AND the mother. Therefore, I feel that if people are going to do it anyways (whether, in my mind, I feel it right or not) precautions need to be made to make the process as safe as possible, and therefore I feel that legalized abortions with the help of trained professionals is preferable. It's not genocide, and calling it that is disrespectful to the people who have suffered from genocide. It also is different from the murder of someone post-birth as it's universally accepted morally that murder of any human being post-birth is morally WRONG. I subscribe to this theory as do, I'm sure, almost everyone else here. The issue of debate is pre-birth. Do I think it's a "sin" or "wrong" for someone to abort a fetus? Yes. Do I think that these people should to to jail for doing so? No. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:24:33 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 10:51:28 2011. We already agree on the end result, that abortion should be legal, and am against people imposing their views on others (namely abortion pro lifers that feel they need to impose their view on others).I don't believe abortion should be legal so as "not to impose my views on others". I believe it should be legal because a pre-viabilty fetus is not a person and aborting is a woman's medical decision that should be done safely by medical professionals. Like appendicitis or a tooth extraction |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:25:42 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 10:53:51 2011. In the case of LIFE AND DEATH it is not only acceptable to impose your views on others, it is NECESSARY.100% agreed. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:27:48 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:17:41 2011. Ok.I'm going to be honest here. I am sick of you trying to run around here and chase me down and point out every time I make an error or something gets said that then I come back upon and change my mind. I don't need you calling me out that I may fly on an airplane again after I posted that I wasn't going to fly on an airplane again. It serves NO positive purpose other than to upset me. Yet, you and your sick obsession for calling people out had to bookmark a post I'd made previously and point and laugh at me (online) for changing my opinion on a given subject. Then, you don't stop there, you ridicule me for wanting to leave Arizona to move to Texas; a more economically STABLE state. You also have on other instances that I don't have proof in front of me (because I don't make it my mission to call people out) have tried to upset me or "call me out" for other very innocuous things in the past. I'm just so sick and tired of it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 27 20:34:19 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 09:50:50 2011. In a democratic society, being pro-life doesn't necessarily mean engaging in terrorism.99% of true pro-lifers are not terrorists. Why? Because they know what murder is, and taking the life of an abortion doctor is MURDER. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 20:41:03 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:18:37 2011. Ok. After airing my Sicilian temperLOL there ya go. SMAZ is eye-talian too. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:43:17 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 20:41:03 2011. It's a horrible habit of mine that I've never been able to control. Once I get upset, my face turns red, and I want to simply DESTROY everything in sight. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 27 20:49:32 2011, in response to No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 25 19:53:29 2011. A lot has been learned about a lot of people in this thread. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 27 20:50:35 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:43:17 2011. Just smack him and call him a disgratiata and you're done. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 20:50:36 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 27 20:49:32 2011. We learned that you avoided a topic that you had previously brought up many times. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 27 20:51:11 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 20:50:36 2011. How did I avoid it? I commented. Just not 500 times. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 20:53:08 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 27 20:51:11 2011. I learned that apparently I'm a "moral relativist." |
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