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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Sep 13 12:47:52 2010, in response to Re: Bush was right: We're not at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 12:46:09 2010. Bushs/Obama/ or any other is more right than you, an unemployable right wingnut. |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 12:48:55 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 10:58:02 2010. You are incorrect. The Kamakaze pilots were praising the Emperor of Japan - not God. You should be more careful to check your facts. |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 12:57:57 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 11:48:33 2010. One of the problems is that there was not the universal condemnation of Osama bin Laden and the attacks by prominent Muslim Leaders. In fact, there was much celebration around the world by Muslims in a great many countries. This gives the impression that Muslims appear to support the terror attacks against this country. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 12:59:47 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 13 12:24:28 2010. "Look at the pattern. Islam is a religious minority in America, and they are responsible for the worst terrorist plot in modern US history.They usually target civilians. Office buildings. Airplanes. Subways. JFK terminal. Times Square." What pattern is that? The 1st mosque in America was in North Dakota many decades ago. I and the rest don't see a pattern. I see a pattern of hatred stemming from your ignorance. Before 9/11 no one cared about any Muslims in this country. They lived and prayed unnoticed until 9/11. |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 13:00:43 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 12:05:43 2010. Do you ever refute an argument with facts or do you only know how to attack people in rebuttle? You need to really work on your debating skills. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:03:06 2010, in response to Re: Bush was right: We're not at war with Islam, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Sep 13 12:47:52 2010. Typical cheap shot. Call me when you come up with something more original. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Sep 13 13:04:00 2010, in response to Re: Bush was right: We're not at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:03:06 2010. call me when you get a job , bitch. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 13:04:08 2010, in response to Re: Bush was right: We're not at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 12:46:09 2010. "Stop, we all see your man-crush on Bush..."The only known "man-crush" around here is with YOU and your buddy in NJ:  You would lick his toes given the chance, since the man can't reach down to tie his shoes.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:04:21 2010, in response to Re: Bush was right: We're not at war with Islam, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 12:33:01 2010. My Hero? lol....I didn't vote for the guy.Really? Could have fooled me, you were the one posting stuff he said 9 years ago like he was speaking gospel, and you were hanging on his every word....I didn't bring Bush up, YOU brought up your hero. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 13:07:43 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 12:57:57 2010. So because these idiots was clapping it condems an entire faith? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 13 13:08:51 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 12:44:44 2010. Be aware that within the internment camps were many spies, including those who helped carry out the attack on Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 13:11:08 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 12:48:55 2010. "The Kamakaze pilots were praising the Emperor of Japan - not God. You should be more careful to check your facts."lol...facts? the only facts are the ones you don't know about.....ever heard of the Shinto religion? eh? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:13:05 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 12:41:54 2010. so why are saying what you are saying? eh? are you saying he's wrong? eh?I certainly didn't find everything he said as Gospel, as you appear to take for his words. He ain't no hero of mine...that's for sure..... Could have fooled me, you are the one that brought up a speech he made 9 years ago, and posted it here like it's some sort of Gospel. He must be your hero to make such a high statement of something he said. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:17:29 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 13 12:25:36 2010. LOL. YOu REALLY think that I thought Bush was his hero? LOL. |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 13:18:10 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 13:07:43 2010. It may be unfair but it is what it is. If all people see are cheering people and there is no voice in opposition, then you have to expect that would be the perception. Keep in mind, it was not just the cheering but the absence of any meaningful condemnation of the acts. Again, it may not be fair and it may not be accurate but it is what it is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:18:32 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 12:59:47 2010. Before 9/11 no one cared about any Muslims in this country. They lived and prayed unnoticed until 9/11.Right. And the Muslims who attacked us on 911 really messed that up, didn't they. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:19:24 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 13 12:47:38 2010. Great observation. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:19:50 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 13 12:25:36 2010. I'm pretty sure I am on solid ground with this. Islam declared war on us, not the other way around. Only feckless multicultural liberals still deny what is obvious. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Mon Sep 13 13:20:08 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 13 13:08:51 2010. That's a yes then? |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 13:21:34 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 13:11:08 2010. So the pilots were all Shinto. They could have also been Jews or Christians but the fact was each of them carried in their upper lefthand pockets, photos of the Emperor of Japan and documents declaring them heros of Japan. By the way, Wikipedia may be easy but it a somewhat unreliable source when you get to the details. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:28:01 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 13 12:34:02 2010. When Vatican II came about, the bells went away. In some Catholic churches they don't even have them stuffed in a back closet, they were either sold or scrapped.FALSE FALSE FALSE. They have had the bells my whole life. My cousin was even an alter boy, and rang them. False False False. When the Mass was in Latin, very few in the pews knew what was happening on the Altar. My favorite saying is Pope John the 23rd took the Catholic faith kicking and screaming into the 20th Century. He took the Catholic faith from being a Church of rote to to a Church of Faith. Totally agreed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:30:00 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 13:07:43 2010. No widesacle condemnation of the attacks by Muslim leaders doesn't help either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:31:29 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by TheCiskoKid on Mon Sep 13 13:21:34 2010. Correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:37:46 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:19:50 2010. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 13 13:40:15 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:19:50 2010. I must have missed it. Extremists declared war on us. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:40:15 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:37:46 2010. With me, it's personal. If that plane banks right and hits the south tower, I'm probably dead. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 13 13:40:44 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:40:15 2010. Actually, even if only one was hit, both towers likely fall. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:44:33 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 13 13:40:44 2010. From lawyer to structural engineer. Is there any subject that you don't pretend to be an expert on? At least Selkirk Googles stuff before commenting on it. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 13:45:36 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:30:00 2010. Which leaders? Think now before you answer. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 13 13:46:44 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:44:33 2010. Well, disprove me. Put up or shut up. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:01:06 2010, in response to Re: Bush was right: We're not at war with Islam, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Sep 13 13:04:00 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:02:48 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 13 13:08:51 2010. "Be aware that within the internment camps were many spies, including those who helped carry out the attack on Pearl Harbor."Oh....really....Major Nelson.....  |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:04:41 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:13:05 2010. "Could have fooled me..."And it did....and wouldn't be the 1st time with you! lol |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:08:43 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:18:32 2010. "And the Muslims who attacked us on 911 really messed that up, didn't they."Yea...to the point where you and rest of the protestors generalize all Muslims as being bad people. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:09:48 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 13 13:40:44 2010. ????????????????Few if any of the people got out of the people that were above the inpact of the first plane. Most of the people in the second building had the warning and got out. The people above the inpact of the first plane didn't have that luxury, they were still in "normal day" mode when the first plane hit. THAT is his point. If the first plane hit where the second one did first, we wouldn't be talking to a "Chris R16" today... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:10:33 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 13:45:36 2010. Leaders in the Muslim community. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:10:37 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 13:17:29 2010. "YOu REALLY think that I thought Bush was his hero? LOL."Well...you certainly gave that impression in not one but in several of your postings. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:11:20 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:04:41 2010. LOL...it went WAY over your head. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:12:44 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 13:19:50 2010. "Islam declared war on us, not the other way around. "Really? when and where? Your buddy Bush didn't think so back then..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:14:52 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:08:43 2010. Yea...to the point where you and rest of the protestors generalize all Muslims as being bad people.False. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:15:47 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:10:37 2010. of course, because that is the impression you gave by giving such merit to something Bush said....he must be your love hero to think so highly of him and his opinion....you made the post... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 13 14:19:20 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:10:33 2010. I see... |
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Rural Controversy: A Mosque in Sheboygan |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:20:16 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010. And it's not even within blocks of Ground Zero....From the TIME.COM: Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010 Rural Controversy: A Mosque in Sheboygan By Barbara Abel / Sheboygan and Julia Lieblich / Chicago The minutes of the town of Wilson's planning-commission meeting of Feb. 8, 2010, are a record of Dr. Mansoor Mirza's trauma. The internist had applied for a permit to turn a former health-food store at 9110 Sauk Trail Road in Sheboygan County, Wisconsin, into a mosque. But residents from Wilson and surrounding areas joined the meeting to make their feelings heard. A sampling: "We're talking about a religion that has not a, not a very good track record, as we all know, nationwide, worldwide." "I don't want it in my backyard. I live three houses away. We have guys — I have good friends in the war and I have people over there, my nephew is there. I don't plain trust it." "I know they'll say there's the violent or jihad Muslims and there's the peaceful Muslims, [but] to me it doesn't make a difference because their goal is to wipe out Christianity around the world." "The basis of this community is on Christ and Christ alone ... Do we really want this in our backyard?" "If they're against Christianity, I don't want them coming after my kids." "Lest we forget, we had some troops at Fort Hood just recently who were massacred by a doctor. He was a jihad idealist." A few voices piped up in support of Mirza and Islam ("Our own Christian religion has just as many extremists ... and I don't think that we should be making broad, sweeping generalizations"), but the doctor was stunned. He hadn't expected much trouble. "I tried to clarify things," he recalls. "I said, 'I believe in the same God you believe in.' People said, 'You don't believe in God; you believe in Allah.' Only one person asked a question about water usage ... People came to speak out against the mosque. 'The mosque will be creating terrorists.' 'We don't trust you.' They were very loud, and I was kind of shaken up. When the hearing was done, I couldn't walk. I [had] lived in New York and New Jersey, and I never expected this in my life. As a physician, I never expected that the same kind of people who came to me in the clinic and hospital and treated me with respect would talk to me like this. My lawyer helped me to settle down and took me to a café." (Does America have a Muslim problem?) But in May, despite the hostility of many in the surrounding communities, Wilson's board unanimously passed Mirza's application to turn the property, which he owned, into a religious institution. Though the pastor of one church, the First Reformed Church in nearby Oostburg, was in opposition, Mirza was buoyed by some 30 local religious leaders who signed a petition of support. Soon, the building, which resembles a chalet, began renovation to better accommodate congregants. It stands in an area dotted with small homes and farmhouses, pervaded by the distinct aroma of horse manure. The first service took place on May 21, attended by 16 men and three women. (See a TIME poll on Islam in America.) Mohammad Hamad, 38, a mechanical engineer, was designated the imam of the mosque. He estimates that only 40 or 50 families in the area actively practice Islam, even though there are between 100 and 150 Muslim families in Sheboygan County and another 30 in nearby Manitowoc County. Experts say that most Muslims in the area are from Central Europe — Bosnians and Albanians. Many were refugees from the persecution of Muslims by Christians during the genocidal years after Yugoslavia fell apart. Says Mirza: "They will not tell people they are Muslims. I'm a physician. I treat some of them, and there is a lot of trauma. You see the wounds." Many choose not to practice their religion or to keep silent about it. But sometimes the silence is broken. Pastor Lorri Steward of the Ebenezer United Church of Christ in Sheboygan recalls a recent exchange at a forum on Islam sponsored by local churches to teach locals about Muslims. "A woman said she did not feel the Muslims spoke out adamantly enough about acts of terrorism," Steward says, adding that a Muslim in the audience responded, "How adamantly did you speak out when the Christians were persecuting and killing Muslims in Bosnia?" Other than those from Eastern Europe, the rest of Sheboygan's Muslims are from a range of Islamic nations and cultures. Hamad was born in Gaza; Mirza is from Pakistan; others come from the Central Asian republics of the former Soviet Union. Before the mosque was established in Wilson, believers had to make a 100-mile round-trip journey to mosques in Milwaukee, Green Bay or Appleton. (See pictures of Muslims in America.) Then a tragic incident occurred that somehow worked to bind many people closer together. In late June, a Muslim child who was vacationing with her family, Sofia Khan, 9, disappeared while enjoying the waters by Lake Michigan in the Oostburg area. Rita Harmeling saw the commotion from her home. A congregant of the First Reformed Church, she immediately opened her home in what was first a rescue attempt and later a recovery effort. But Harmeling took another step. "I thought, If this had happened to someone in my family, I would want to have my spiritual needs met." And so she contacted Hamad, after getting his number through her pastor, the Rev. Wayne DeVrou, who had originally opposed the mosque. While the mosque provided a place for spiritual comfort, local residents opened their homes to Sofia's extended family. A neighbor who lived near the mosque, who had once been suspicious, told the imam to let the girl's family use his front yard for their gathering. Says Mirza: "Her family was taken care of by the same churches that were against the mosque." Harmeling says she and her husband had attended meetings at their church that discussed why the mosque should not be approved. But, she adds, "I was never opposed to the mosque. Some people assumed we had the same views as our pastor," who remains opposed to it. She explains that she was "interested in finding as much information as I could about Islam." She still doesn't agree that Christians and Muslims pray to the same God. And yet the tragedy, she says, "taught me a lot. My neighbors and I discovered that Muslims are gracious, loving people. They were open about sharing their faith and culture with us." |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:21:02 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:11:20 2010. And yours too....obviously. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:21:45 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:14:52 2010. no....it is definately TRUE. You just won't admit to it. |
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Re: Rural Controversy: A Mosque in Sheboygan |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 14:23:48 2010, in response to Rural Controversy: A Mosque in Sheboygan, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:20:16 2010. 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:24:23 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 14:15:47 2010. "he must be your love hero to think so highly of him and his opinion....you made the post..."The posting was done on my behalf to simple show that even a Republican president does not believe the Muslim religion has any wrong doing to the events of 9/11. Hey...if you want to say I think he's he a hero....well..then yet again...you're misguided in your thoughts.....which is not usual in your case. |
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Re: Rural Controversy: A Mosque in Sheboygan |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:33:55 2010, in response to Re: Rural Controversy: A Mosque in Sheboygan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 14:23:48 2010. HEY! that's not the way to talk about Sarah Palin now!
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Sep 13 15:02:14 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 11:18:51 2010. C'mon, you know what's the deal here. This is just another fool saying that because some Americans people joined murderous groups, forevermore they, the Americans, shall not have the "privilege" of objecting to any one else who also does murderous deeds. Any person with any bit of reasoning ability understands that humans do wrong, then they learn. It's the learning phase that's the most difficult, but it happens.This guy is like a kid peering out from behind his mama's skirt, pointing a finger and sticking out his tongue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 13 15:25:08 2010, in response to Re: Bush was wrong: We ARE at war with Islam, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Sep 13 14:24:23 2010. And you are misguided in your thoughts that we think that "what Bush said"" has anything to do with this, or that anyone cares what a president, that isn't president anymore said or did 9 years ago,.,,,Furthermore, this isn't a "Republican thing". 70 percent of the country is opposed to this, and that includes the majority of Democrats too, so I don'[t know what a formerrepublican presdient has to do with this, regardless of how you apparently idol every word he says. |
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