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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 16:10:18 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:06:54 2010. Christian/United Church of Christ |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 16:12:24 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 16:05:27 2010. It was only a curiosity for me. It was only a huge international incident because the entire world knows how reactionary Muslims are. If he were only burning Talmuds or religious texts from any other religion there wouldn't have been such world wide panic. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 16:23:29 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 16:10:18 2010. He's gonna ask the question again in a few days. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:24:26 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 15:43:20 2010. TRUTH. But rescuers could have been saving cats from trees instead of dying by the hundreds if it weren't for the attacks. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:24:57 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 16:23:29 2010. I know Obama is now a Christian, after being a Muslim as a child. But what is his "religion"? Protestant? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:27:49 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:24:57 2010. He was as much a Muslim child as he was a Socialist child. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:29:44 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:27:49 2010. We're talking about his religion, not his political views.He was a Muslim as a child. I was a Catholic. You were Jewish. Most people have a childhood religion. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 16:33:30 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:24:26 2010. True ... but my point was that people should be extremely thankful for those who go running INTO horror while everyone else is running away from it. THAT was my point ... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:46:24 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:29:44 2010. I disagree. I think it's wrong to say that people have a "childhood religion"I will repost this passage by Richard Dawkins in the Manchester Guardian: My favourite consciousness-raising effort is one I have mentioned many times before (and I make no apology, for consciousness-raising is all about repetition). A phrase like "Catholic child" or "Muslim child" should clang furious bells of protest in the mind, just as we flinch when we hear "one man one vote". Children are too young to know their religious opinions. Just as you can't vote until you are 18, you should be free to choose your own cosmology and ethics without society's impertinent presumption that you will automatically inherit your parents'. We'd be aghast to be told of a Leninist child or a neo-conservative child or a Hayekian monetarist child. So isn't it a kind of child abuse to speak of a Catholic child or a Protestant child? Especially in Northern Ireland and Glasgow where such labels, handed down over generations, have divided neighbourhoods for centuries and can even amount to a death warrant? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 17:16:35 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:46:24 2010. My imaginary baptism. Your imaginary bar-mitzvah. I know. Noting counts until you turn 21. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 17:19:03 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 17:16:35 2010. What are you talking about? Barack Obama never went through a Muslim equivalent of a Bar Mitzvah or Baptism. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 17:22:40 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 17:19:03 2010. I don't know if there is such a thing. Clearly, Lola Soetoro had planned for his stepson to be raised a Muslim, not a Christian, based on what happened in Indonesia. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 17:45:01 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 16:46:24 2010. So you would prefer that children are condemned to eternity in hell if they die before they are baptized? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 12 18:08:42 2010, in response to Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Sep 11 10:41:31 2010. Seriously, whatever happened to religious freedom, isnt a part of what made this country what it is today? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 18:10:35 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 12 18:08:42 2010. Yes. But building a victory monument a few hundred feet from Ground Zero is offensive.Timothy McVeigh. Oklahoma City. Church. Not the same. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 18:16:41 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 12 18:08:42 2010. btw- we have religious freedom which is why there are so many mosques in NYC. This huge victory monument is totally different. It's meant to mock 9/11 and be a monument to Islamic advancement in America. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 18:41:12 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 15:43:20 2010. Yes, and what are the rescuers saving people from? An act of hate. What are those people doing at the 70th floor standing at the edge of the hole looking out doing that from? An act of hate. All of that is caused by an act of hate. And people have the nerve to say that the people shouldn't upset about this mosque being built in the dust cloud of this act of hate? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 18:42:49 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 16:33:30 2010. Of course, but you are changing to a different topic. Those were brave and wonderful people doing that....but that is not the topic. The topic is the haters. They wouldnt have had to have been saving people that day if those SONS OF BITCHES hadn't flown planes into buildings in an act of hate, and in the name of "Allah". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 19:02:03 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 17:22:40 2010. So what? Whatever Soetoro did, it didn't take on his stepson. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 19:07:08 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 17:45:01 2010. That doesn't make any sense. Obviously if I agree with what I posted, I do not believe in hell. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 19:15:47 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 19:07:08 2010. Ahhh but those of us who do and do not want to see our children condemned to it must assign our religion to our children.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 19:24:37 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 18:41:12 2010. Good grief ... way to miss the point. :(
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 19:25:40 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 18:42:49 2010. Oh ... now it's not the topic. OK ... I missed my lockstep here. You can do my response for me then ... k? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 19:33:41 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 12 19:15:47 2010. Yes, but I am within my rights not to respect your assignment by not calling your children "Christian" or whatever. That paragraph wasn't against practicing religion on children but whether or not the children themselves were truly practicing members of that religion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 19:45:36 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 19:24:37 2010. You are damned right I am going to hate those that did this to us. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 19:47:41 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 19:25:40 2010. No one is saying there weren't wonderful acts of bravery and love and helping that day. But that doesn't change the fact that it was an absolute act of hate that caused all those brave people to have to act in the first place. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 19:50:20 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 19:33:41 2010. Either way, Obama practiced Islam as a child. That was the expectation when Lolo enrolled him as one. That is true of any child-adult relationship and religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 12 19:58:43 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 19:50:20 2010. I jut realized that I inadvertently used an interesting phrase in my last post: "practicing religion on children."That's exactly what happened. Soetoro practiced his religion on Barack Obama. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:02:18 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 19:47:41 2010. It is not unusual in most cultures to mourn death and celebrate life at the same time. What I was saying is that had it not been for those rescuers, a lot more would have died. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 12 20:05:06 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 18:10:35 2010. Where did "victory" mosque come from? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:10:08 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:02:18 2010. Of course, that is absolutely correct. That day showed how wonderful NYers really are, as well as the people of this country.But still, that doesn't change the fact that if not for the haters, no one would have needed to have been saved from atrocity. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:12:09 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 12 20:05:06 2010. Ok. Where did the idea come from to build such a large structure at Ground Zero come from? I've seen quite a few mosques in NYC and none come close to the size of this building. So why there? We all know why. To say "fuck you asshole Americans. We can kill 3,000 of you in the name of ALLAH, and you can't stop us from building the largest Islamic structure in NYC where it all happened".And Islam is not done with us. Remember that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:14:26 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:10:08 2010. Here's the problem though ... the rage that you and a few others are expressing towards many who not only had nothing to do with any of that, but also were and are victims of the lunatics is PRECISELY what our enemies wanted us to do ... a STRONG nation would have given them the finger, put back redesigned copies of what was, kicked the asses of everyone responsible and then for extra measure would have been good to those Muslims who were NOT part of it all ... that would have been a proper win. I'm not so sure of all this "group punishment" mindset going on now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:19:46 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:14:26 2010. the rage that you and a few others are expressing towards many who not only had nothing to do with any of that, but also were and are victims of the lunatics is PRECISELY what our enemies wanted us to do .My rage is only for the extremists. I never mentioned all. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:20:06 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 12 20:05:06 2010. FOX ... whose major investor is BUILDING it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:21:25 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:19:46 2010. But, there is still a sensitivity issue here too. If the non-extremist ones can't see that, "Yes, there could be a sensitivity issue here, and perhaps it bothers a lot of people that this mosque would be so close to the site, and well withing the dust cloud of that horrible day, then perhaps there is a problem here. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:21:37 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:20:06 2010. Dude. If that guy was 100% behind it, it would be a done deal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:22:07 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:19:46 2010. Others of similar mindset have failed to differentiate. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:23:42 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:14:26 2010. Sorry. All the space in NYC, there's no need for such a big Islamic presence at Ground Zero. They are doing it to say "Fuck you". |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 20:25:41 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:22:07 2010. That's why you singled out for criticism, someone who did. Your logic is so ....... so liberal |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:26:56 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:22:07 2010. It can be hard to differentiate at times. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 20:33:49 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 16:24:57 2010. You still don't know after all this time that the Church of Christ is one of the biggest mainline Protestant denominations in America no matter how many times it's brought yet you still come here to talk about religion and expect to be taken seriously. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:35:35 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:21:37 2010. But it is ... :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:36:05 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 12 20:33:49 2010. They why doesn't anyone refer to Hussein as a "Protestant"?Or are they "church of christer's"? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:38:16 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:35:35 2010. then I guess you'll suddenly like Fox News. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:39:13 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 12 20:21:25 2010. You KNOW that wasn't what I was talking about and you insist on steering my words into your pothole anyway. Why is that? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 20:39:37 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:36:05 2010. He's obviously Protestant. What are you talking about? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 20:40:18 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:38:16 2010. I used to hate Fox News until I watched it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Sep 12 20:41:59 2010, in response to Re: Dear Anti-Mosque and Islam haters...., posted by Easy on Sun Sep 12 20:39:37 2010. But Christians are usually identified by their specific church.I'm Catholic. Ex-girlfriend is Lutheran. I know some Baptists, Seven-Day Adventists, and Methodists too. So what is Obama? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 12 20:42:23 2010, in response to Re: Dear Insensitive People...., posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 12 20:25:41 2010. 
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