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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010 Well great news from Ted Kennedy's district, BROWN's Leading!!Even if it turns out that Brown does not pull it off, the fact that he is where he in MASSACHUSETTES is great news for the GOP in November. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 10:22:04 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. Brown does not pull it off,then bingbong, Selkirk, SMAZ, italianstallion, Will D, and all the libs will just blame the Tea Party and Palin. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:27:18 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 10:22:04 2010. Probably true but for Brown to be where he is today in Massachusettes in Kennedy's district is still great news for the GOP. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 10:49:59 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:27:18 2010. What's so good about it? The GOP still has no clue where they are aheaded in the future....look at all the crap that came out on last Sunday's "60 Minutes..." what a joke for the GOP! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 10:54:28 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 10:49:59 2010. The GOP still has no clue where they are aheaded in the future.they're headed for major victories all over the country. the rise of Marco Rubio could really minimize the Hispanic vote that the liberals heavily rely on. And Marco Rubio is a rising star. Story Here |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:06:24 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. Not only is it Massachusetts, but also....Ted Kennedy's seat! It's amazing that he could even be half as good as he is doing. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:08:15 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. The poll is probably underestimating Coakley. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 11:08:23 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:06:24 2010. Something is definitely happening in America. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:08:45 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:08:15 2010. Of course.... It doesn't say what you want to hear. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:11:02 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:08:45 2010. Or, he would have provided a poll number that shows Brown breaking 50 percent; the most recent polls have Coakley up by 9.Rasmussen has Coakley up by 9; the Boston Globe has Coakley up by 15. I would like to see that poll that the OP shows Coakley behind. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:14:31 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. Where this may be important is that it could force the issue of the nuclear option to the forefront again.But I suppose you have a LINK? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:19:36 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:11:02 2010. As I always said, I don't like polls, as they can be skewed to show whatever you want.But the real message here is that it's amazing that the Republican candidate, in Massachusetts, campaigning for the coveted, and "holy Democrat" senate seat of Ted Kennedy, is doing that well is nothing short of amazing. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:20:23 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:19:36 2010. However, the OP didn't even provide a link to a poll...and Google is of no help. I'm having trouble verifying his claim. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 12 11:25:54 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:11:02 2010. Or, he would have provided a poll number that shows Brown breaking 50 percent; the most recent polls have Coakley up by 9.The most recent poll on RealClearPolitics (PPP, January 7-9) has Brown up by 1 with a margin of error of 3.6. Rasmussen and the Boston Globe had Coakley leading by 9 and 17, respectively, the week prior, but popular belief is that Brown "won" last night's debate. The only poll that matters comes next week. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:29:09 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 12 11:25:54 2010. And if Brown really is as close as is said, it likely comes down to a lengthy recount. If it has to be decided by the courts, Coakley likely gets the seat. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 11:35:46 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:20:23 2010. Who cares about the polls?The one that counts is happening, what, next Tuesday? There will be a winner, and there will be a loser. Then we can discuss that poll. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:41:14 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 11:35:46 2010. ...in July. If it's close, I see it going to a Minnesota-style recount. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 11:52:49 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 10:54:28 2010. Never count your boobies before they hatch.Chances are the republicans will gain a few (under 20) House seats and may lose another Senate seat when all is said and done. If the economy *really* shows improvement by fall, even those predictions may be off. The teabaggers will have blown themselves up by then. They are proving day after day that they don't get....much of anything: |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 11:56:34 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 10:54:28 2010. "they're headed for major victories all over the country..."That's a pipe dream and you know it...they have no national platform on which to stand on...and the GOP knows it.....but obviously...YOU DON'T...lol |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 12:25:55 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 11:52:49 2010. They are proving day after day that they don't get....much of anything:Taking a page out of your book I guess. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 12:31:32 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:20:23 2010. IAWTP. Where is poll? No poll, no truth. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 12:56:02 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:19:36 2010. Without actual proof of your allegations, no conclusion can be drawn save for the fact that, if Jesus himself came down and told America to vote for Democrats under fear of bloody death approximately 30% would not. That's all you have to go on. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 12 13:00:06 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. Thought that this thread was referring to Gordon Brown over in the UK. He and Labour are pretty much toast; the Tories are virtually walking in . . . |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 13:39:03 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 10:22:04 2010. As they should. Yesterday was not a good day for Ms. Coakley:She got waxed in last night's debate by Brown. Why? Well, insisting that Afghanistan is free of terrorists was a major reason. Reminds you of the moment in a 1976 debate where Ford insisted Poland wasn't a Communist country. She debuted her first major attack ad yesterday and misspelled Massachussetts. Now, a day after Brown raises 1.3 million from a grassroots internet "money bomb", Coakley heads to Washington to woo 17 healthcare and pharmaceutical company lobbyists to compensate. Even her CNN apologists question the wisedom of this. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 13:44:02 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 13:39:03 2010. Yeah, I meant "Massachusetts". That was a type-o. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 13:46:06 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 11:52:49 2010. Keep deluding yourself. The GOP is guaranteed at least 30 house seats and 3 senate ones. It will probably be even worse for Democrats. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:46:34 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 12:56:02 2010. "My allegations"? I am not "alleging" anything. I am talking about the information presented here. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 13:47:37 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:29:09 2010. If it has to be decided by the courts, Coakley likely gets the seat.Any election which requires a recount or a judicial determination is a tactical victory for the GOP. This is Massachusetts for crying out loud. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:49:18 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 12:31:32 2010. It was pretty easy in Google:http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=massachusetts+senate+race+poll&aq=f&aqi=g-z1g3g-m1&oq=&fp=292ac4760832f3c4 http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/01/toss-up-in-massachusetts.html http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60A4SE20100111?type=politicsNews http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/polls-massachusetts-senat_n_417701.html |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:50:10 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 11:20:23 2010. Google is of no help? Plenty of stuff comes up. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:51:46 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 11:52:49 2010. The teabaggers will have blown themselves up by then. They are proving day after day that they don't get....much of anything:You really are delusional. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:52:55 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 11:56:34 2010. They have the same platform that the Democrats had in 2008. The Democrats had "We aren't Bush and the Republicans", and the Republicans in 2010 have "We aren't Obama and the Democrats".... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:04:23 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:51:46 2010.  As a conservative, I can say that this tactic did not make the 2006 clusterfuck any less painful. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 12 14:10:56 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. The media will never allow a Republican to win in Taxachusetts. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:13:14 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 12 14:10:56 2010. They may no longer have the power to stop it. Brown's surge is entirely based on online support. The MSM no longer has a monopoly on politics. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:14:44 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 11:56:34 2010. .they have no national platform on which to stand onYes they do. Lower taxes, less government intrusion, vigilance against terrorism. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 12 14:16:41 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:14:44 2010. Yes they do. Lower taxes, less government intrusion, vigilance against terrorism.None of which were acted on between 2001 and 2008. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:17:57 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 12 14:16:41 2010. None of which were acted on between 2001 and 2008.The first two, yeah, you have a point, which is why there is so much friction between the Tea Party movement and the GOP establishment. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 14:21:33 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 12 14:16:41 2010. Meanwhile, the Dems are disappointing their base. GITMO probably won't be closed, we're sending more troops to Afghanistan, and I didn't see a tax hike in the 2010 Tax Brackets. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 14:51:07 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 14:21:33 2010. Meanwhile, the Dems are disappointing their base.If Democrats are savvy, they should push an immigration bill. Strategically, their best hope of success is Republican infighting, and an issue like that dividing the GOP would be advantageous. Sure it's dirty, but politics is dirty. GITMO probably won't be closed, we're sending more troops to Afghanistan, and I didn't see a tax hike in the 2010 Tax Brackets. I'm fine with leaving GTMO open (we spent enough money - why not use it?) and I don't want to see income tax rates increase (what's wrong with me deciding where I want to spend my money?). I think that President Obama's Afghanistan policy is fatally flawed, though. We're just propping up an incompetent leader in Hamid Karzai and doing little to nothing effective to foster good governance. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 15:11:36 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 14:51:07 2010. Why should the Libs/Dems push an immigration bill now? That would hurt them more than the health care bill is hurting Obama's numbers. Solely in hopes of Rep infighting?Even the Spanish media has been quiet about immigration. It's not the liberal buzzword of 2010. Lou Dobbs is off the air. Piolin por la manana has stopped organizing his LA rallies for immigrant rights. The World Cup is this year. Now is not the time. I'm fine with leaving GTMO open Ah-ha. You admit you're part of the "base". Gotcha. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:16:54 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:46:34 2010. There was no information presented here. That's the problem. Where is the information? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 15:22:19 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 15:11:36 2010. Why should the Libs/Dems push an immigration bill now? That would hurt them more than the health care bill is hurting Obama's numbers. Solely in hopes of Rep infighting?That, and motivating their base, especially the growing Hispanic demographic. Even the Spanish media has been quiet about immigration. It's not the liberal buzzword of 2010. Lou Dobbs is off the air. Piolin por la manana has stopped organizing his LA rallies for immigrant rights. Democrats have control of Congress and the Presidency. They set the agenda. Personally, I can't see myself supporting the likely Democratic bill on immigration. But it's a good strategic move nonetheless. You admit you're part of the "base". Gotcha. Not really. Just stating my view. I've voted for President three times. Once for a Republican, once for a Democrat, and once for a Libertarian. I did not vote for Barack Obama. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:25:58 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:04:23 2010. ....and ya might as well stay there, in the conservative's natural state. After all, if you saw what was going on up here in the real world, you wouldn't be conservative. The past is where it belongs....over. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 15:28:02 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 10:49:59 2010. At least we are not proposing socialism and spreading the wealth around. Remember Joe the Plumber? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:28:29 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 12:25:55 2010. KInda difficult since they're all intact files. Get with the 21st century, it's all electronic now. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 15:28:54 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 15:22:19 2010. I have to say, as liberal and bleeding-heart as the "base" is, I just don't see them getting all worked up about immigration right now. Health care, war, taxes/spending, employment, are all issues that are more important than immigration.If the libs push too hard on immigration and amnesty, they'll piss off moderates(but the bingbongs, selkirks, and RIPTA's of the world will remind us that is was W who proposed amnesty). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 15:29:33 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 14:51:07 2010. If Democrats are savvy, they should push an immigration bill.Yeah, another initiative unpopular with the rank and file of BOTH parties. Great idea. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:30:26 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 13:47:37 2010. Tactical victory???? LOL!!!What matters is who warms the seat 1 week from now. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 15:30:44 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:25:58 2010. Conservativism is no longer looking back, it's looking forward. It's liberalism which seeks solace in the past, a past littered with failure after failure around the globe. |
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