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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:06:41 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 16:13:43 2009. Also, I'd consider it Flatbush and not East Flatbush to at least Nostrand Avenue. Flatbush Avenue is the heart of Flatbush, not its eastern edge. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:09:43 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 18:01:28 2009. Does Transportation Alternatives not compile data for the 110 ZIP codes in E. Queens? Do those people not live in NYC? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 19:10:17 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 18:56:24 2009. They don't live in "East Elmhurst" if they live in 11372, they live in Jackson Heights.And if they live in 11369 or 11370, they live in East Elmhurst (which takes up two zip codes). It's clear cut. Here's Queens neighborhoods, and zip codes. Some neighborhoods do take up a few zip codes, such as Bayside, East Elmhurst, etc because of their size, but it's clear cut: http://www.visitingdc.com/zip-code-new-york/queens-county-zip-code.asp You can't do this for Brooklyn, Manhattan, Bronx Zip City 11004 Glen Oaks 11005 Floral Park 11101 Long Island City 11102 Astoria 11103 Astoria 11104 Sunnyside 11105 Astoria 11106 Astoria 11109 Long Island City 11351 Flushing 11354 Flushing 11355 Flushing 11356 College Point 11357 Whitestone 11358 Flushing 11359 Bayside 11360 Bayside 11361 Bayside 11362 Little Neck 11363 Little Neck 11364 Oakland Gardens 11365 Fresh Meadows 11366 Fresh Meadows 11367 Flushing 11368 Corona 11369 East Elmhurst 11370 East Elmhurst 11371 Flushing 11372 Jackson Heights 11373 Elmhurst 11374 Rego Park 11375 Forest Hills 11377 Woodside 11378 Maspeth 11379 Middle Village 11385 Ridgewood 11411 Cambria Heights 11412 Saint Albans 11413 Springfield Gardens 11414 Howard Beach 11415 Kew Gardens 11416 Ozone Park 11417 Ozone Park 11418 Richmond Hill 11419 South Richmond Hill 11420 South Ozone Park 11421 Woodhaven 11422 Rosedale 11423 Hollis 11426 Bellerose 11427 Queens Village 11428 Queens Village 11429 Queens Village 11430 Jamaica 11432 Jamaica 11433 Jamaica 11434 Jamaica 11435 Jamaica 11436 Jamaica 11691 Far Rockaway 11692 Arverne 11693 Far Rockaway 11694 Rockaway Park 11697 Breezy Point |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:10:21 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 18:53:08 2009. Yes. And I clearly addressed that in my original post. So...? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:11:02 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 18:53:09 2009. Except for the absence of the 110xx ZIP codes, it's accurate. Who cares what the neighborhood names are? His point was that ZIP code boundaries do not constitute accurate neighborhood boundaries. Most people don't give a shit about ZIP codes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:12:41 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 19:10:17 2009. Wow. Chris, you just aren't getting it. What you are posting is the USPS list/map of zip codes and associated area names, not what actual real local residents would all agree are the specific and actual boundaries of each neighborhood. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:14:17 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods - City Map, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 18:53:29 2009. Huh????? Going back to the first time I said "HUH????", I was responding to a post where you posted what I had already posted. So I'm obviously asking you why are you reposting what I already posted. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:14:50 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods - City Map, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 18:56:27 2009. No, he's not right. Both you and he have lost sight of the issue. Read up the thread and you will find the issue. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:15:28 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 19:10:17 2009. Sorry, but I grew up in Astoria 11105, one block from the boundary with E. Elmhurst 11370. The folks "over the line" said they lived in Jackson Hts. Nowadays, they mostly say they live in Astoria Heights, at least those north of Astoria Blvd. Nothing in the Zip code universe is clear cut. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:15:44 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:12:41 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:16:51 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:10:21 2009. So why did you say Huh when I said the same thing? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:17:03 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:15:28 2009. exactly |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:18:30 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:16:51 2009. Because I'm still asking about the first thing I said HUH?? to. And each time you still aren't addressing that. You give increasingly weird and irrelevant answers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:19:46 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 18:49:11 2009. That is false. At least in the case of Brooklyn and Bronx. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:21:36 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:15:28 2009. And parts of eastern Queens are even in Nassau Zip codes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:24:03 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 18:32:02 2009. Brooklyn was already it's own city with a rich tradition in 1898And? Prior to 1896 it did not include all of Kings County. So the City of Brooklyn and Kings County were coterminous for all of two years. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:32:58 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 18:47:11 2009. There was only one city in Queens County before 1898: Long Island City. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:34:03 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:32:58 2009. Right, the others were towns or villages. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 18 20:06:47 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:38:42 2009. LOL Obscure website!But a nice map, even if they've left off Vinegar Hill and... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 18 20:15:57 2009, in response to New York Neighborhoods, posted by fordhamroad22 on Tue Nov 17 20:19:15 2009. What you're really looking for is for someone to do something like this San Francisco site (which nicely provides its source code, so you could do it yourself if you wanted to). That way you'd have data, rather than some cartographer's take on something that's by its nature popular and unofficial. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 18 20:41:48 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 18:49:35 2009. Ridgewood wanted to disassociate itself from Bushwick after the blackout in '77 so they successfully had their zip changed in 1979 I believe. How long have zip codes been around anyway? The mid to late 1960's? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 20:47:12 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 18 20:41:48 2009. 1960. They didn't become mandatory until later in the decade though. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 20:48:57 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 18 20:41:48 2009. It doesn't matter. Zip Codes started in 1959 or 1960. All they were was a three letter prefixes added to zone numbers which previously existed since God knows when. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 20:50:17 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:06:41 2009. New York Avenue has always been the division between Flatbush and East Flatbush. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 20:58:02 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods - City Map, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:14:50 2009. Sorry Terrapin. You're the one who lost sight of the issue. The original question was is there a map that shows neighborhood boundaries. The link you posted shows Community Boards and when you click on a Board, you see neighborhoods withn that Board but no boundary lines. Therefore your map doesn't qualify.On the other hand, the map that I posted shows distinct neighborhoods for Brooklyn. Similar maps exist for the other boroughs. (If you agree with them or don't is beside the point.) One poster thought the lines for Brooklyn was pretty accurate, but there will always be some disagreement, and over time new neighborhoods emerge and others go into disuse. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 21:00:57 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 18 20:15:57 2009. I believe the map I posted for Brooklyn from Wickipedia was taken from OpenStreetMap which does let you do it yourself. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:08:30 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 19:11:02 2009. Who cares what the neighborhood names are? His point was that ZIP code boundaries do not constitute accurate neighborhood boundaries. Most people don't give a shit about ZIP codeThat is true in Brooklyn, Manhattan, Bronx.....not in Queens. Queens neighborhoods are divided by zip code. You can't have this list for Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn: http://www.visitingdc.com/zip-code-new-york/queens-county-zip-code.asp Zip Code listing for Queens County, New York Excludes Zip Codes for PO Boxes and Organizations Sorted by Zip code Zip City 11004 Glen Oaks 11005 Floral Park 11101 Long Island City 11102 Astoria 11103 Astoria 11104 Sunnyside 11105 Astoria 11106 Astoria 11109 Long Island City 11351 Flushing 11354 Flushing 11355 Flushing 11356 College Point 11357 Whitestone 11358 Flushing 11359 Bayside 11360 Bayside 11361 Bayside 11362 Little Neck 11363 Little Neck 11364 Oakland Gardens 11365 Fresh Meadows 11366 Fresh Meadows 11367 Flushing 11368 Corona 11369 East Elmhurst 11370 East Elmhurst 11371 Flushing 11372 Jackson Heights 11373 Elmhurst 11374 Rego Park 11375 Forest Hills 11377 Woodside 11378 Maspeth 11379 Middle Village 11385 Ridgewood 11411 Cambria Heights 11412 Saint Albans 11413 Springfield Gardens 11414 Howard Beach 11415 Kew Gardens 11416 Ozone Park 11417 Ozone Park 11418 Richmond Hill 11419 South Richmond Hill 11420 South Ozone Park 11421 Woodhaven 11422 Rosedale 11423 Hollis 11426 Bellerose 11427 Queens Village 11428 Queens Village 11429 Queens Village 11430 Jamaica 11432 Jamaica 11433 Jamaica 11434 Jamaica 11435 Jamaica 11436 Jamaica 11691 Far Rockaway 11692 Arverne 11693 Far Rockaway 11694 Rockaway Park 11697 Breezy Point |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:09:45 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods - City Map, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:14:50 2009. I have read this whole thread, and have followed this whole thread. You are wrong. A community board map doesn't show "neighborhoods", which was the original question. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 21:10:32 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:08:30 2009. No, I'm right. People don't care about ZIP codes. They know their own ZIP codes and those whom they frequently mail (any such persons left?) but they don't know where the ZIP code borders are and they don't know about any other ZIP codes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:12:05 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:04:48 2009. I understand that, in Queens vs Brooklyn. I just don't completely accept that that is "the" reason this is still the case. It may be, but there may be other reasons too.All those towns weren't "clear cut as villages". I know Jamaica was a Village, as well as Whitestone, but all the neighborhoods in queens were incorporated villages. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:12:47 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:04:48 2009. I understand that, in Queens vs Brooklyn. I just don't completely accept that that is "the" reason this is still the case. It may be, but there may be other reasons too.All those towns weren't "clear cut as villages". I know Jamaica was a Village, as well as Whitestone, but NOT all the neighborhoods in queens were incorporated villages. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 21:13:08 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:12:05 2009. You mean not all? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:15:51 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 19:12:41 2009. Because in Queens, this is the case, unlike Brooklyn, Manhattan, Bronx, where this is not the case.If you live in 11415, you live in "Kew Gardens, NY 11415". |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:17:25 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 21:10:32 2009. The post office established zip codes by city and neighborhood only insofar as they made it convenient for the post office. I find it hard to believe that they were meticulous about creating separate zip codes whose borders were identical to the generally accepted boundary for every neighborhood in Queens. I'm trying to believe it because I trust Chris on these types of things, but it doesn't match how zip codes were done everywhere else that I know. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:17:50 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 21:13:08 2009. Yes.I guess you posted too quick... :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:20:50 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:34:03 2009. No they weren't. Neighborhoods were located WITHIN towns. (Newtown, etc). All the neighborhoods in Queens were NOT villages. Some where, like Jamaica, Whitestone, and I am sure a few others, but much of Queens neighborhoods were not incorporated villages. And many "neighborhoods" made up the towns. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 21:21:44 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:17:25 2009. I find it hard to believe that they were meticulous about creating separate zip codes whose borders were identical to the generally accepted boundary for every neighborhood in Queens.Your skepticism is well-founded. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:25:35 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 18 20:06:47 2009. I just noticed Ocean Hill is not on that map either. Ocean Hill is the eastern triangle of Bedford-Stuyvesant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:30:05 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 18 20:41:48 2009. Yes, that is the Ridgewood situation, as I said, a whole other topic.Ridgewood was served through the Brooklyn Post office since it began, long before "zip codes". It used to be "Brooklyn 27", and again, even though in Queens. It is also the reason that Much of Ridgewood retains it's original street names, instead of the Queens street numbering system. Those streets also retained their brooklyn address numbers too. For example, Madison Street's address continue in the 1XXX series right to Forest Ave, which is many blocks into queens. On the other side of Forest, it jumps to 60-XX, which is of course in the Queens numbering system. You could spend a whole thread on Ridgewood and it's streets and addresses, and I didn't want to totally confuse people, so that's what I said Ridgewood is an anormality in Queens, which it is. But yes, Ridgewood got it's first QUeens zip code in the early 80's, to disassociate from Brooklyn (Bushwick) which was burning next to it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 21:30:19 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:12:05 2009. I know Jamaica was a Village, as well as Whitestone, but all the neighborhoods in queens were incorporated villages.Some of today's neighborhoods didn't exist in 1898. Sunnyside and Lefrak City come to mind. A lot of pre-existing geographical features like creeks and streams that separated communities have since been filled in or diverted. Some hamlets have disappeared (North Beach?). Determining boundaries between what came later can only be made within present realities. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:37:01 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 21:10:32 2009. but they don't know where the ZIP code borders are and they don't know about any other ZIP codes.Correct. But again, in QUeens, unlike Brooklyn, Bronx, Manhattan, those zip codes correspond with the zip codes, just like they do in much of the rest (outside Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx). If you live in 11782, you live in Sayville, NY If you live in 11754, you live in Kings Park If you live in 11507, you live in Albertson.... Just like if you live in 11379, you live in Middle Village You can only do that for Queens...it doesn't work for Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:41:11 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:37:01 2009. I think that what you're saying is that Queens residents generally accept zip code boundaries as neighborhood boundaries. I can accept that except other Queens residents that post here don't agree. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 18 21:51:05 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 18 18:26:43 2009. lol. um, did i ask you? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:59:40 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 21:30:19 2009. I don't think Lefrak City has a zip code, AFIK. But Lefrak isn't a "neighbrohood", it's a housing development.But anyway, what you say is correct, but in Queens, it still has it's zip code lines, which correspond to it's neighborhoods. That doesn't mean that neighborhood "lines" haven't moved. They most certainly have. In fact, the Brooklyn/Queens border even moved over the last slightly over a 100 years. It used to be a slash right from Newtown Creek straight across blocks and even houses on it's run towards the Cemetery of the Evergreens. Once the area got developed between Bushwick and Ridgewood, there were blocks, and even houses cut in half. You could have a kitchen in Brooklyn, and a bedroom in Queens! That was a problem, so they zig zagged the Queens/Brooklyn border so that at least houses and blocks weren't cut in half (now the worst that happens is one side of a street is Queens, and the other is Brooklyn, but at least the buildings aren't cut in two municipalities. This could also be the reason for the bizarre Ridgewood situation, but again, that's another topic). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 22:02:31 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 21:41:11 2009. I can also agree with that.Again, Queens is totally different (for whatever reason), than Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Bronx). Again, I can't comment on Staten Island, as I am unfamiliar, but it may even be a cross between the two. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 22:13:51 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:25:35 2009. I'm sure if I look at it closely, I'll also find some errors if you want to call them erros.. In the 1960s Ocean Hill was frequently in the news. I don't know how often people use that name anymore. I have an old map with dozens of neighborhood names that haven't been used in 50 years. When I was a kid in the 1950s, Rugby was referred to as a neighborhood. Later it was just called East Flatbush. Now it seems to be coming back in use. Neighborhood names are always disappearing and new ones are always being created. Some are just obscure like Futurama or Nottingham. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 22:18:55 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:59:40 2009. But Lefrak isn't a "neighbrohood", it's a housing development.Interesting. That's pretty much what neighborhoods are everywhere else in the country. A developer will subdivide a property, build houses, give it a name, and there's your neighborhood! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:21:30 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 18 22:18:55 2009. Lefrak is a builder. Lefrak City is a housing development. Just saving whineberggy from his obligatory correction |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 18 22:32:53 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 22:02:31 2009. No. Staten Island uses Staten Island, NY for all of its addresses. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 18 23:08:58 2009, in response to Re: New York Neighborhoods, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:59:40 2009. Phil Rizzuto would talk about the border running through his house during the game. |
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