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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:06:48 2009, in response to Futbol, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 28 15:59:56 2009. So don't watch. There are lots of sports that I don't watch. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:06:51 2009, in response to Futbol, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 28 15:59:56 2009. Low scoring....high kicking....and ties, ties, ties!How can you not get lost in the emotion! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:14:14 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:06:48 2009. Plenty I don't watch, but only soccer leaves me mystified as to WHY so many other people love it so much. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:14:57 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:06:51 2009. It's not much more low scoring than American football. They just don't get 6 or 7 points for scoring once. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:16:15 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:14:57 2009. Unless the Lions are playing the Lions in a pre-season scrimmage, there will always be more scoring in American futbol. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:18:16 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:14:14 2009. It's because the action is so much different than American sports. It might seem to an American used to football that not much happens, but a foreign person watching American football wonders why players stand around so much more than they play. It's a matter of perspective. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:19:49 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:16:15 2009. Not always. This game would be 21-14 using the football scoring system. Not every football game scores more than 35 points. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 16:30:23 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:19:49 2009. Well it's 6pts for a touchdown and an extra point if the kick is good or 2 points for a conversion. |
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Posted by Deaks on Sun Jun 28 17:18:52 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:14:14 2009. Obviously some people like it as some like trains, i.e. it's a borderline-inexplicable thing. On the other hand plenty of others like it because you can swear blind at people you don't like, i.e. opposition or even your own team's players, or opposition supporters inside the ground, without chance of recrimination. You can also have a good laugh if you know the people who sit nearby and you can also consume copious amounts of beer both before and after the game in nearby pubs.There is also amusement to be had from fellow spectators. For example, where I go every now and then there is a bloke who sits in front who will remain silent for most of the game even though things may be going badly wrong on the pitch. But when he is triggered by something unimportant he has a tendency to blow his top and indulge in a foul-mouthed rant which condemns everyone associated with the club, from the Chairman to the women in the pie hut. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:24:23 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:18:16 2009. Not to mention baseball (which I love). Many foreigners don't consider it to be a real sport. I'm not even gonna get into golf.Americans are too used to sports with time-outs, commercials and other customs that push a game to three hours. Now that is truly incomprehensible. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:25:27 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Deaks on Sun Jun 28 17:18:52 2009. What do you think are the US's chances in next year's World Cup? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:29:11 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:06:51 2009. Some of the best baseball games are pitching duels that end 1-0, 2-1, etc. The standard for perfection in baseball is not allowing anybody on base...a Perfect Game.Though I like basketball, I usually only watch the last quarter and in what other other sport but basketball does the last 5 minutes really last 15 instead? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 17:38:20 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:25:27 2009. If they keep this team intact, maybe they have a shot. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 17:39:43 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:24:23 2009. Well Netherlands had a pretty good team in the WBC this year.But outside of South America and Japan, you have a point. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:43:07 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 17:39:43 2009. Well Netherlands had a pretty good team in the WBC this year.But outside of South America and Japan, you have a point. I personally think that baseball and softball should be re-admitted to the Olympics and stuff like trampoline, synchronized swimming and rythmic gymnastics should be eliminated. I would also like to see rugby and roller sports at the Summer Games. Maybe baseball will be re-admitted if MLB starts sending players like the NHL and NBA do but in the meantime they should at least bring back women's softball. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 17:49:33 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:43:07 2009. The rest of the world feels America dominates baseball [well at least the women's softball team], so that's probably why they got rid of it, plus it's not 'worldly enough' to Europe.I dunno about sending players out, I would guess owners would worry about their star players being injured overseas just like in the WBC. Cano and Marte both had some problems. [Dunno if that's the main reason to blame on why Marte sucked this year though, thankfully Cano rebounded and is hitting well.] |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 17:49:57 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:43:07 2009. *The rest of the world feels America dominates baseball [well at least the women's softball team], so that's probably why they got rid of it, plus it's not 'worldly enough' to Europe. *I dunno about sending players out, I would guess owners would worry about their star players being injured overseas just like in the WBC. Cano and Marte both had some problems. [Dunno if that's the main reason to blame on why Marte sucked this year though, thankfully Cano rebounded and is hitting well.] *sarcasm |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:07:51 2009, in response to Futbol, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 28 15:59:56 2009. Just the constant sound of horn blowing through the whole game is enough for me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:07 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 16:14:57 2009. You can compare the scoring of Soccer to Hockey, but I don't think American Football is a good comparison. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:54 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:24:23 2009. I'm not even gonna get into golf.I don't even think most Americans think golf is a "sport". I certainly don't. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:11:04 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 28 16:14:14 2009. Plenty I don't watch, but only soccer leaves me mystified as to WHY so many other people love it so much.You are not alone |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jun 28 19:20:25 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:54 2009. Some consider pro wrestling a sport. Hell, according to some idiots poker is a "sport". |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 19:27:26 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 28 19:20:25 2009. I laugh at the idea of either of them being sports. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 19:29:47 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 16:30:23 2009. There's no equivalent in soccer so I just gave the full seven points as those are not usually missed. Extra points and field goals are silly because they have nothing to do with the rest of the game. That's all that's left from soccer I suppose. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 19:32:59 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:07 2009. No, it's close enough for comparison. Football really has an artificially inflated perception of how many points are scored because of the odd scoring system.Soccer games probably score on average about half as many points as a football game. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:41:19 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 28 19:20:25 2009. Hahaha. Yeah, I always laugh when I see "poker" on ESPN...usually on low sports nights... Another one I find hysterical as a "sport" is Billiards and Bowling..... Fun games, but a sport they are not either, but yes, not as asinine as poker as a sport. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:44:53 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 19:32:59 2009. It's not an "odd" system of scoring because you have to weigh differently on a "touchdown" or just getting a 3 point field goal. Two field goals don't equal one touchdown. A touchdown is the ultimate, and that's why it points more. And if you don't think the extra point after a touchdown is "silly", tell that to many a team that lost a game by "1 point". It's not the same as being down a touchdown. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:45:45 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:44:53 2009. That was supposed to be "two field goals DO equal one touchdown." |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 19:48:04 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:44:53 2009. What I mean by silly is that kicking has nothing to do with the rest of the game. It makes about as much sense as soccer giving six points for a goal and installing a basketball rim to award an extra point for a made free throw.And don't get me wrong, football is by far my favorite sport. I rarely watch soccer during football season. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:51:56 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 19:48:04 2009. While I don't agree that kicking has "nothing to do with the game", as field goals are a REAL part of the whole game, that's what the goal posts are all set up for - Kicking the ball. But that being said, kicking isn't the MAIN part of the game. Throwing, catching, and running the ball are. But that doesn't mean kicking has "nothing" to do with the game - it IS a part of the game. If you get 3 field goals and the other team only got one touchdown, you win the game....so even though the score is HALF that of a touchdown, it has plenty of meaning in the game. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 20:22:57 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 19:29:47 2009. Um, yes they do, should a team miss one or another team gets the extra 2 points it can be the difference b/w winning and losing a game.But basically the touchdown itself is 6 points. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 20:25:45 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:41:19 2009. it was pretty funny how I was seeing so many ESPN aired shows about the past poker game tournaments when I was on JetBlue flying home from Vegas.At least bowling you have to be strong enough to lift and 'throw' the ball. But that's as far as a 'sport' it should be called. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 28 20:57:15 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 17:38:20 2009. If they have a shot, they'll make a respectable showing in 2010. If there's support from the American people, maybe win or be in the finals of the World Cup in 2014 or 2018. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 28 21:04:31 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:41:19 2009. There must be some asinine people out there is ESPN has to show 'Celebriry Poker" on TV. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 21:16:56 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 20:22:57 2009. You don't get what I mean. Of course they help decide the outcome of the game, but they have nothing to do with the rest of the action. IOW you are not typically allowed to kick the ball except in limited situations.To further illustrate (or confuse) imagine if in baseball you got 6 points for scoring across the plate, but then then you could roll the ball between two sticks to get one more point. WTF would that have to do with hitting, pitching, and catching? Football is built around running and throwing. The field goals are remnants of the sport that it derived from - soccer. We don't have to agree, but that's how I see it. And like I said, I love football! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 21:18:43 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:51:56 2009. Yes kicking is part of the game because according to the rules kicking is part of the game. I get that. What I mean is that kicking is against the general run of the action.Well, we don't have to agree. And I guess we don't. :) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Jun 28 21:24:07 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:11:04 2009. I was once at a friends house watching World Cup soccer when the games were held in the US. The action on the field was nothing worth mentioning. But the English commentary on ABC was interesting to me. Unfortunately most of the other people wanted to switch back to coverage from the Spanish Station. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 21:34:43 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 21:16:56 2009. Ok then. We'll agree to disagree, I like North American football more than I do soccer [aka: football]. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 28 21:55:31 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 21:34:43 2009. I like North American football more than I do soccer [aka: football].We agree on that part. Like I said, I don't watch soccer once football season starts. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 01:26:59 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Jun 28 21:34:43 2009. Our football is called "American football" (remember, Canadian football has different rules).(I gotta count how many different types of games called "football" are played around the world. Gaelic football is different still.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 01:28:13 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 28 19:20:25 2009. Is dodgeball a sport? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 29 01:30:42 2009, in response to Re: Soccer, everyone's "foreign game", posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 01:26:59 2009. Also remember Australian Rules Football.It's funny how Spanish is so pervasive in the US that so many say "Futbol" when Football is perfectly acceptable for soccer (which is an English word BTW). |
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Posted by Deaks on Mon Jun 29 06:27:19 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 17:25:27 2009. I doubt they will do as well as they did in the Confederations thing, this being because you will more than likely have Germany, England and some more of the reasonable European teams in there. Add to that the likes of Argentina and so on. Although the US could draw an easy group and possibly end up in the quarter-finals.I expect England to reach the semi-finals next year. |
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Posted by Deaks on Mon Jun 29 06:28:34 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:54 2009. Snooker and bowls are technically sports too, but I doubt you will find many who consider them true sports. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 29 10:35:23 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:54 2009. I agree; golf is a game. Soccer is a sport.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jun 29 10:43:23 2009, in response to Futbol, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 28 15:59:56 2009. Brazil though would still come back to win it at 3-2. And football is the world's sport (except for here). You don't see hooliganism normally in American sports. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:57:25 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by WillD on Sun Jun 28 19:20:25 2009. No one considers pro wrestling a sport. It's entertainment. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 29 19:12:18 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 28 19:09:07 2009. Hockey is soccer on skates with sticks. Hockey, soccer, basketball, lacrosse are all basically the same sport. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 29 19:16:21 2009, in response to Re: Futbol, posted by Deaks on Sun Jun 28 17:18:52 2009. Since I'm an avid sports fan, I am equipped to understand what it's like to get wrapped up in that sort of thing (f'n K-Rod walking Mariano Rivera with the bases loaded !@#$%&), and even sports that don't interest me much I usually pay attention to (I watched the last few holes of the US Open in Bethpage, the last 5 minutes of the NBA Finals game 7, etc), but soccer is unwatchable. It has no juice, no rush, no nothing. If America was to make it to the World's cup final round against FRANCE, I couldn't watch. |
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