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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 08:37:23 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 07:06:34 2008. I only have one. YOU, on the other had have many. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 4 08:39:04 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 4 02:03:38 2008. No disrespect intended..but the TRUTH must be known..There is no such thing as truth when it comes to religion. There is only belief. Some people believe certain miracles occurred, and others don't. The end. There is nothing further to discuss. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 4 08:41:58 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 4 02:04:08 2008. You folks keep believing the lie.You think Mary having been a virgin is a lie. Others think the resurrection of Jesus is a lie. Fine. If you want to persuade others of your beliefs using words like "lie", expect a lot of hostility. You will deserve it all. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 09:00:05 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 08:37:23 2008. that's false, but even if it were true, whats your point? that wouldn't make what you are doing any more right. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 10:39:29 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 09:00:05 2008. MEH |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 10:41:14 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 4 08:39:04 2008. iawtp |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 4 11:37:56 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 4 08:39:04 2008. The only thing more incendiary than politics is debating religion.your pal, Fred PS IAWTP |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Dec 4 12:13:01 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 10:39:29 2008. My initials... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 15:45:33 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Dec 4 12:13:01 2008. haha |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 15:47:06 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 07:06:34 2008. You disagree with all of Mr Lawrences posts. You obsessed fucktard. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 15:51:59 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 4 11:37:56 2008. And the only thing more offensive is clowns that wear their religion on their sleeves. IMO |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 16:33:36 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 4 08:39:04 2008. There is no such thing as truth when it comes to religion. There is only beliefCareful. That's almost the same as saying that everything in religion is a lie, which is endemic to a particular anti-religious point of view. As far as "belief" goes, a lot of that can be applied to secular notions. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 18:50:36 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 15:47:06 2008. No I don't you lying trolling shithead. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 18:51:42 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 4 15:51:59 2008. And the only things worse than that are asshats who troll and lie. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 19:38:30 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 3 21:12:45 2008. Guess what, Brian. Jesus was raised Jewish. So the Last Supper was a Seder meal!!!St. Paul is the one who pulled the followers of Jesus away from being strictly Jewish. Go read the New Testament, if you are able. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 19:40:08 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 06:51:37 2008. BTW, I don't live in Baltimore County. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 19:41:30 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 18:50:36 2008. Yes you do. Don't lie just to make a point. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 20:16:27 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 09:35:39 2008. The Vatican, just like many other churches, wants the law in countries where it has adherents to reflect its moral viewsNo; it's somewhat beyond that for them. They can do better in Italy because referenda there require a majority of voters (whether they vote or not) to support a change, so the apathetic automatically become Church supporters That's a very poor assessment of what's going on in Italy nowadays. Romano Prodi's out of power directly because of the Vatican. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 20:32:28 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 19:41:30 2008. No I don't. And I didn't lie to make a point. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 20:33:47 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 19:38:30 2008. What right did St Paul have to tell or make or suggest or force the followers into something that had nothing to do with how Jesus actually lived his life - AS A JEW? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:37:20 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 19:38:30 2008. Why do you keep saying "raised Jewish"? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 20:39:57 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:37:20 2008. lol! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 20:43:17 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:37:20 2008. Because he was. Remember when January 1 was the Feast of the Circumcision of Our Lord? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 20:45:07 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 20:32:28 2008. Read your reply to SubwaySurf. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:47:26 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 20:43:17 2008. He wasn't just raised Jewish, he was Jewish. And he would have been Jewish no matter if his family were observant or not. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 20:52:16 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:47:26 2008. Correct. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 20:52:48 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:47:26 2008. Correct. (His family, however, was observant, at least out of the Tanakh.) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 4 21:26:26 2008, in response to Vatican and Obama—"War" over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 2 02:20:30 2008. While I think abortion is wrong, and is killing a baby, I also believe a woman has a right to chose whether SHE wants to have one or not. I do not have the right to impose my view on it on others, and the government certainly doesn't either on the matter.HOWEVER, I have a REAL problem with this statement in that article: could force doctors in Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their conscience The govermnent has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to make a doctor that doesn't believe in abortions to force them to do them, NOR does it have the right to make Catholic hospitals FORCED to do that. IMPOSING that belief or forcing people to perform abortions is JUST as WRONG as the government deciding a woman doesn't have the right to chose, perhaps even worse. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 21:26:52 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 4 20:45:07 2008. I didn't lie to make a point. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 21:27:29 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 4 20:47:26 2008. Exactly. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Dec 4 22:51:02 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 02:43:09 2008. It does.....doesn't it. lol!!Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 4 23:48:46 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 4 08:41:58 2008. Oh stop it...You "deserve THIS for being silly.. How can any one remain a "virgin" after sexual activity? Yes..Jesus conception was divine...but were his brothers and sisters?[YES FOOL,He DID have brothers AND sisters..from his MOTHER.] So..my challenge is to YOU...how can someone REMAIN A VIRGIN after sexual contact...After CHILD BIRTH...? And PLEASE don't give me DOCTRINE issued by "The Church..." No disrespect..but I don't believe "the 50 percent DOCTRINE/50 PERCENT TRUTH" routine.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 5 00:02:29 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 02:31:55 2008. "Perpetual virginity" is NONSENSE and they know it...It was just a scheme hatched by "the church" to keep people from the truth.. "Happy are the eyes that behold the things you are beholding...for I say unto you,Many prophets and kings DESIRE TO SEE..BUT DID NOT..TO HEAR THINGS..BUT DID NOT..." That is what is being kept from you...THE TRUTH. |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Fri Dec 5 00:13:58 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 4 21:26:26 2008. IAWTP 100%... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 5 01:21:16 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 4 21:26:26 2008. If that's a tenet of FOCA, then it sure is a problem. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 5 04:49:28 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 4 21:26:26 2008. Before you get your tit in a wringer, let's find a precedent for doctors being forced to perform a procedure against their conscience, or hippocratic oath, for that matter.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 5 05:03:15 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 4 23:48:46 2008. How can any one remain a "virgin" after sexual activity?Depends on the meaning of the phrase "sexual activity" ;-) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 5 05:05:07 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 5 04:49:28 2008. Addenda: in the U.S. and in the last 40 years.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 5 06:24:25 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 18:50:36 2008. Cursing again? Hypocrite. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 5 06:25:14 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 21:26:52 2008. polly wanna cracker? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 5 06:28:49 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 20:32:28 2008. You attack Mr Lawrence every time you have an opportunity. Yente BOY.Everyone here knows it and there is no use denying your obsessive semantics. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 5 06:30:49 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 5 04:49:28 2008. I didn't say it had happened, but the article clearly says that it "could force doctors in Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their conscience". I didn't say that was going to happen, or that there is any reason that that will happen, but talking about that statement. If that were to happen, it would be utterly outrageous. Abortions have no place being FORCED in Catholic hospitals against the stance of the church, or against any doctor, Catholic or not being forced to perform an abortion against their will. And while I find it wrong if abortion would become illegal, I find forced practice of abortion by those that don't want to participate even worse. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:49:03 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 4 21:26:26 2008. This may already exist in New York State, however. And the courts have tended to---even GOP courts---side with the law over religious beliefs. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:50:00 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 5 06:30:49 2008. However...isn't this already done here in New York City (in Caritas hospitals and St. Vincent's?) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:51:31 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 4 02:34:16 2008. If he were to vote his conscience, then that means that he would refuse to bring it up for a vote...or make no move to try to bust up a filibuster. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 5 06:51:49 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 4 18:51:42 2008. I must've struck a nerve. Since I did not mention any names, I figure the "shoe must fit". |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:52:06 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 2 02:43:13 2008. Bring it on...make my day. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:53:36 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 2 19:18:48 2008. That assumes that the courts will side with the Church. Unless the NY Court of Appeals is extremely liberal, they are an example of someone who broke the Catholic conscience by forcing the Church against its will to fund abortions for its employees. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:54:52 2008, in response to Re: Vatican and Obama—''War'' over FOCA?, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 09:35:39 2008. In other words, is the religious right going to dread the next 4 years? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Dec 5 06:56:34 2008, in response to Vatican and Obama—"War" over FOCA?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 2 02:20:30 2008. Good...the Church is behind the times...and last I checked, they would force a woman who is raped to carry a baby to term. (Footnote: I'm Catholic.) |
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