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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 18 16:13:50 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. IAWTPThe reason for this proliferation is Doordash. Back in the day you get get a pizza delivered, or Chinese. Now everything is deliverable. Get out of your damn house and pick up your own food. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 18 16:19:49 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. Good points.NYC just lowered the e-bike speed limit to 15mph. I really hate when they are on the sidewalk. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 18 18:17:46 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. Never gonna happen. The Democrat Alinsky playbook is to have enforcement and requirements be found as "racist" |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 18 20:31:25 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 18 18:17:46 2025. WTF?Do you think Democrats are immune to being injured by reckless cyclists? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 18 21:11:31 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 18 20:31:25 2025. Lo@lm!! You need to be up on the priorities heirchy |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 18 21:16:52 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 18 21:11:31 2025. IAWTP |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 18 21:42:42 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 18 20:31:25 2025. 🤦♂️ |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 18 22:33:24 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 18 16:19:49 2025. How do you suppose they enforce that? |
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Posted by Displaced Angeleno on Tue Nov 18 22:50:45 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. "Brooklyn Heights hipster"? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 18 22:57:21 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 18 22:33:24 2025. Not sure. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 19 06:18:16 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 18 22:33:24 2025. A cop could stand unobtrusively mid-block with a radar gun. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 09:28:29 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 19 06:18:16 2025. I don't think so. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 19 09:36:27 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 18 22:33:24 2025. Cameras. Face recognition. The bike’s DNA. All sorts of ways. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 19 10:37:38 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 18 21:42:42 2025. IAWT🤦♂️ |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 11:21:06 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 19 09:36:27 2025. Believe it when you see it. If money is as tight as its reported, the $$$ generated will never cover the start up, maintenance and manpower costs. Besides, if/when the offenders get ticketed, those tickets will be promptly tossed away. Great idea(s) on paper, but practical applications are wishful thinking |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 14:22:45 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. Maybe I am becoming an old fartYou are. I think these things should be registered and insured, like every other motor vehicle. Automobile registration works because it's required in all jurisdictions. Enforcement would be impractical, if NYC required registration but adjacent counties or states did not. The federal government classifies e bikes with pedals, less than a 750 watt battery (1 hp) and max motor speed of 20 mph as a bicycle - no registration required. E Bikes without pedals, larger batteries and higher motor speeds are considered vehicles. It's up to the states to regulate them. Some of the larger ones are able to reach 30-40 miles per hour. These already require registration in NYS. A pedestrian hit by an E-Bike at even 20 miles per hour can sustain serious injuries. They will sustain more serious injuries, if hit by an conventional motor vehicle. The NYPD collision forms are are bad for classifying vehicle types. It's a free-form entry. Moreover, NYPD police have proven they cannot differentiate between e-bike types and sometimes even mistake a pure pedal bicycle for an e-bike. This is the data for collisions that resulted in pedestrian injuries or deaths. E-bikes were legalized in June 2020. non e-bike data by year: 2018: 11,119 injured; 123 killed 2019: 10,504 injured; 131 killed 2020: 6,558 injured; 99 killed 2021: 7,240 injured; 129 killed 2022: 8,657 injured; 133 killed 2023: 8,761 injured; 105 killed 2024: 9,353 injured; 123 killed 2025: 7,494 injured; 96 killed e-bike data by year: 2018: 4 injured; 0 killed 2019: 64 injured; 0 killed 2020: 133 injured; 2 killed 2021: 262 injured; 3 killed 2022: 316 injured; 2 killed 2023: 315 injured; 2 killed 2024: 263 injured; 1 killed 2025: 158 injured; 3 killed Public tolerance for injury and/or death from automobiles is greater than for e-bikes. E-bikes constitute 3% of all pedestrian injuries, however they have generated more publicity than death by motor vehicles or gun shots. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 19 15:11:51 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. I own an e-bike and ride it to work about half the time. For me e-bikes are a game changer. There are lots of hills, many of them steep, and I couldn’t easily ride to work otherwise.But I don’t ride on sidewalks so my biggest worry is bad auto drivers. They’re an annoyance when in my car but on my bike I really have to be careful. They can be aggressive around me even though I travel mostly at 20-25 mostly along streets that have 25mph limits. Kids under 18 on e-bikes are the biggest pain, especially the ones on the illegal “e-bikes” that travel over 28mph. But they’re kids so they don’t generally upset me. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 19 15:14:53 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 14:22:45 2025. I very much support street calming but people around me freak out whenever it’s proposed. I live on a narrow residential street that barely fits one car in each direction and everyday I see dads and soccer moms drive by at 35-40 mph even though the speed limit is a very generous 25 mph. Should be 15 or 20 mph imo. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 19 16:36:48 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 14:22:45 2025. They will sustain more serious injuries, if hit by a conventional motor vehicle.Wow! Obviously the biggest problem is with these machines being ridden on the sidewalk. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 17:06:29 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 14:22:45 2025. "Enforcement would be impractical, if NYC required registration but adjacent counties or states did not."Well, then enforce the law in NYC. If word gets out on the street that you get caught with an unregistered and uninsured E-Bike and it gets impounded, then that might be an incentive to obey existing traffic regs & speed limits. Have the cops chase them down with their own E Bikes or scooters |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 17:35:21 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 17:06:29 2025. Well, then enforce the law in NYC.NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law § 1604. Local ordinances prohibited. Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, local authorities shall have no power to pass, enforce or maintain any ordinance, rule or regulation requiring from any owner of a motor vehicle or motorcycle, or from any operator or chauffeur to whom this chapter is applicable, any tax, fee, license or permit for the use of the public highways, or excluding any such owner, operator or chauffeur from the free use of such public highways, excepting such driveway, speedway or road as has been or may be expressly set apart by law for the exclusive use of horses and light carriages, or in any other way restricting motor vehicles or motorcycles or their speed upon or use of the public highways; or setting aside for any given time a specified public highway or any part thereof constructed in whole or in part at the expense of the state for exhibitions, shows, exercises, entertainments or meetings; and no ordinance, rule or regulation contrary to or in any wise inconsistent with the provisions of this chapter, now in force or hereafter enacted shall have any effect. Provided, however, that the power given to local authorities to license and regulate vehicles offered to the public for hire, and processions, assemblages or parades in the streets or public places, and all ordinances, rules and regulations which may have been or which may be enacted in pursuance of such powers shall remain in full force and effect. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 17:56:04 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 17:35:21 2025. Talk about leaglese. I see a loophole here, it mentions public highways but not sidewalks. Catch them riding on the sidewalks or on legally designated walkways, then throw the book at 'em |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Nov 19 18:22:19 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. Back in the old days, "friends" told me that if the cops caught the illegal dirt bikes, quads, enduros on the street, and it was deemed to be a nuisance, the bikes somehow wound up in the river, broke apart on the spot, or in someone's LI suburban backyard. Now, I know some might scoff at the tactics, and the "hazy" legality of it 😉, but you know what? JUSTICE was done and at least half of them "got the message" when warned to put the bikes away |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 18:41:01 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 17:56:04 2025. I see a loophole here, it mentions public highways but not sidewalks.The law does not have that loophole. § 118. Highway. The entire width between the boundary lines of every way publicly maintained when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular travel. § 140. Roadway. That portion of a highway improved, designed, marked, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel, exclusive of the shoulder and slope. In the event a highway includes two or more separate roadways the term "roadway" as used herein shall refer to any such roadway separately but not to all such roadways collectively. § 148. Street. The entire width between the boundary lines of every way publicly maintained when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular travel. § 144. Sidewalk. That portion of a street between the curb lines, or the lateral lines of a roadway, and the adjacent property lines, intended for the use of pedestrians. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 19 19:04:10 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 17:56:04 2025. Huh? It's already illegal to drive on a sidewalk, except for driveways, etc. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 19 20:35:16 2025, in response to A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 18 16:11:35 2025. Yeah; more government is always the answer, right? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 19 20:58:42 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 19 19:04:10 2025. We know this. I speak of E-Bike riders that don't. Catch them on the sidewalk w/o proper registration or insurance and its game over for them |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 21 10:45:25 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 19 14:22:45 2025. What a heartless asshole you are, Bauman.So 13 deaths isn't enough for you? Imagine if it was your parent, your spouse, or your child who got killed by an e-Bike. You might feel differently. 13 families who lost a loved one because of a dangerous toy. And by your own data, over 1,500 people have been injured by e-Bikes. There is no information on how serious these injuries were. My friend's sister had an aspiring career as a model. She got hit by an e-Bike a few years back and her face was plastered into the sidewalk. She broke her nose and had facial lacerations. End of career. She had no recourse because it was "only an e-Bike". These are motor vehicles. They exceed 30 miles per hour in some cases. They have the power to kill and maim. They should be insured, period. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 21 11:48:18 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 21 10:45:25 2025. IAWTP |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 21 13:53:58 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 21 10:45:25 2025. +1500 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 21 19:32:51 2025, in response to Re: A Rant About E-Bikes, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 21 10:45:25 2025. So 13 deaths isn't enough for you?939 deaths by automobile is too much for me. Almost all the vehicles were registered, had insurance and the drivers had valid licenses. That's your proposal for saving lives from the "scourge" of e-bikes. It hasn't worked for motor vehicles. There's no evidence it would work differently for e-bikes. if it was your parent, your spouse, or your child who got killed by an e-Bike. I've had 3 friends killed by automobiles. No action was taken against the drivers, although none had the right of way when the collision occurred. Drivers generally get a free pass unless there was an additional contributing factor like alcohol involved. Even then, punishment isn't proportionate to the death toll, as this recent article demonstrates. https://archive.li/eHKwZ |
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