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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 8 16:10:19 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. She redirected the money back to the police. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 8 16:26:43 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. Alas leave us not overlook her honor, Karen Bass. Aside from cutting funds for fire department, she is no where to be seen. How is that diversityequity and inclusion woeking out? Democrat failure goes center stage. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 17:20:47 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 8 16:26:43 2025. I think she's in very diverse ghana.Looking forward to Biden cracking jokes about the tragedy like he did about New Orleans. And then falling asleep. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 8 17:32:20 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 17:20:47 2025. Ghana is majority minority. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Jan 8 17:45:20 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. Low or no water pressure in the hydrants is greatly complicating firefighting. Because the area's so hilly, huge tanks on top of the hills provide pressure for high-elevation hydrants. Unfortunately, the tanks have run dry and the hydrants at lower elevations are using so much water there's not enough to pump up to the tanks to refill them. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 8 20:36:41 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. The mayor is back in town. Just saw her on TV. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 22:53:55 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 8 20:36:41 2025. She has a good quote floating out there from her helpful presser."All of this can be found at URL" |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 05:40:01 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. SHE WAS IN GHANA AFRICAON VACATION ON LOS ANGELES TIME AND MONEY !!!!!!!! GOD DAMMED BITCH YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE NOT AFRICA OH YEAH MY POWER IS BACK ON NOW I CAN POST TRUTH YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR HUS HERE !!! WTF !!!!!!!! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 05:40:31 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 8 16:10:19 2025. WTF ???????????? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 05:40:51 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 8 20:36:41 2025. WHOPEEEEE!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 06:44:28 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. LA Mayor doesn't answer reporter's question about cutting firefighter budget by $17.6M |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jan 9 08:38:48 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Jan 8 17:45:20 2025. Same concept used in NYC and highrises with the water tanks on the roof. You can't really pump water over 6 stories without a watertank or some massive pumps. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 9 10:18:25 2025, in response to LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 16:00:05 2025. Newsom's presidential ambitions are literally going up in smoke.2025 will not be kind to progressive Democrats anywhere |
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You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 10:28:07 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 06:44:28 2025. Don't blame karen bass for what's happening. The catastrophic results of the multiple fires are the fault of the voters who voted for the progressive democrats and their progressive policies. They took millions from the fire department, neglected proper land management and instead, plowed all their resources into Diversity, Equity, Inclusion & ultimate failure. You replace competence and vision with skin color and slogans. You've gotten exactly what you voted for. |
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Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 9 11:43:30 2025, in response to You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 10:28:07 2025. Bad or corrupt leadership (of any persuasion) has only two results. The status quo doesn't break, and they take credit for things they are too incompetent to break or fix. Put their names on a few builings, and are set for life.Or the %@$% (or sh!t (to makes these threads intersectional with mine from yesterday))) hits the fan and devastation happens, highlighting their true qualifications. This is why politicians and CEO's like to kick the can down the road. The anxiety is the waiting to see if the can goes off during your tenure, of if you are the one that gets screwed. |
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Re: You Can’t Blame Mayor Bass: was – LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 12:31:43 2025, in response to You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 10:28:07 2025. Since fraud is so rampant there, only the politicians can be to blame, sorry. |
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Posted by alm on Thu Jan 9 12:57:10 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 9 10:18:25 2025. Where is Newsom supposed to conjure water up from?LA already stole all the Owens Valley water back in the 1920s or so. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 9 13:56:26 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by alm on Thu Jan 9 12:57:10 2025. I'm glad you ask. I saw so many memes about this."California Governor Gavin Newsom and LA Fire Chief Kristin Crowley stood before the roaring Pacific Ocean, delivering an emotional plea about the dire water crisis fueling the Palisades Fire. The blaze, now tearing through the scenic Pacific Palisades, has overwhelmed firefighting efforts, with officials lamenting a critical shortage of water" "If we only had an enormous body of water next to us!" Governor Newsom exclaimed, gesturing toward the horizon where the ocean stretched endlessly, reported the Genesius Times. Despite the irony of standing near one of the world’s largest water sources, officials appeared to skirt its potential use. Chief Crowley, visibly distressed, described the situation grimly. “We’re out of water to fight this fire. We’ve exhausted all resources,” she said, her focus firmly on the billowing smoke rather than the ocean. Expand article logo Continue reading The absurdity didn’t escape the gathered press. A reporter eventually broke the tension with the obvious question: “We’re standing next to the Pacific Ocean. Isn’t that an option?” Crowley’s response was both baffling and inflammatory. “I don’t know what you’re talking about. Are you a racist bigot?” she retorted, leaving reporters and onlookers stunned, reported the Genesius Times. Social media erupted in disbelief. Hashtags like #OceanBlindness and #WaterRightThere began trending, with users blending humor and frustration. “Maybe they should just look left,” quipped one user, sharing a photo of the sprawling ocean alongside the wildfire's smoke. CIT Bank Platinum Savings - Higher Balance, Higher Rate. cit.com CIT Bank Platinum Savings - Higher Balance, Higher Rate. Ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfHlRdr-E7g While the officials’ apparent oversight provided ample fodder for memes, environmental experts stepped in to provide clarity. They highlighted the challenges of using seawater for firefighting, including its corrosive nature and the ecological concerns of large-scale extraction. “It’s not as simple as dumping ocean water on the fire,” one activist explained, though critics argued this was a moment for pragmatic, not philosophical, solutions. The state is now scrambling to revise its emergency response strategy, with potential plans including mobile desalination units and equipment to use ocean water effectively. Governor Newsom sought to refocus on the urgency of the situation, saying, “We’re doing everything in our power to combat this fire. We’re in uncharted waters here—no pun intended.” |
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Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 14:28:24 2025, in response to You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 10:28:07 2025. I VOTED FOR OUR MAYOR IN PASADENAHE IS HANDS ON STAYED HERE |
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Posted by alm on Thu Jan 9 15:18:26 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 9 13:56:26 2025. It's possible that salt water corrodes the pumps used for firefighting. A reasonable question that needs to be answered.Desalinization equipment is extremely expensive and in limited supply. They need many millions of gallons of water a day. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 16:29:07 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 9 13:56:26 2025. Satire aside, pumping ocean water onto lava did slow its advance back in 1973 when the Eldfell volcano erupted for five months on the Heimaey island in Iceland. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:02:12 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 8 16:26:43 2025. Mayor Bass disappointed a lot of people by her silence when questioned by reporters. She simply looked blank, looked totally inept and stupid and could have passed for someone drugged and semi-comatose. There was some hope when she was elected major but things have only gotten worse with her in command. To be fair, she hasn't had a good team behind her at all, and the homeless problem has become much worse since she took over. The problem is Bass us just one of dozens of LA's command that seems to be in over her head.I just hope that ineptness doesn't trickle out to the suburban cities like Arcadia where I live and where the city fathers seem to be doing a decent job. In other words.....LA LEADERS, STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY CITY. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Jan 9 18:09:52 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:02:12 2025. BIG IAWTPPASADENA MAYOR AND STAFF IS HERE |
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Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:14:48 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 9 11:43:30 2025. To be fair to Mayor Bass she was handed a hot potato when elected Mayor. The town was going to hell in hand basket and she had the courage or maybe the foolishness of trying to take a job that was risky at best. The problem is LA and California in general is bright blue, loaded with liberals who put the smelt ahead of people, cheer on illegals while hard working citizens in the city are overwhelmed with high grocery prices, rents on even average housing is out of sight, where wages have stagnated and crime is still high even if the city fathers want to claim otherwise. And it doesn't help when native and residing Angelenos take a back seat to the avalanche of illegals and criminals making their way to the city. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 21:39:16 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:14:48 2025. Not about courage but a power trip. Don't fool yourself. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 9 22:03:46 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:02:12 2025. Sure; no malice at all on their part.None of them have any excuse. |
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Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 10 09:07:37 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:14:48 2025. I was there a few years ago and remember seeing billboards for Mayor's. Karen wasn't on any of them, and as an outsider, I never heard of the woman.Compared to the people on the billboards running for mayor, I am both surprised and not surprised at the same time to see such a woman in charge. Another Chicago in the making. How droll. |
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Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 10 10:08:42 2025, in response to You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 9 10:28:07 2025. I blame whoever is in office at the time. George W. Bush got blamed for New Orleans after Katrina, so Bass, Newsom and Biden should be blamed now. Logic does not enter into the equation. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 10 11:02:58 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 10 10:08:42 2025. Dubya blew the levees. Did Kamalalala strike the match? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 11:26:16 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 10 10:08:42 2025. Of course logic should not enter into the equation of one does not care to fix the problem. Blamingbalone will not fix problems. Analysis and accountability needs to be front and center |
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Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 10 11:56:24 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu Jan 9 18:14:48 2025. Move to New York. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 10 12:31:54 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 11:26:16 2025. Wrong. Blaming deflects the blame to a low level expendable keeping the ruling classes record clear to amass more wealth.Problem solved. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 12:43:46 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 10 12:31:54 2025. Blaming does not fix problems |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 10 12:58:29 2025, in response to Re: You Can'tBlame Mayor Bass: was - LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 10 12:43:46 2025. You must be joking. As soon as we find out who really dropped the ball, that person will offer their resignation to Mayor Bass who will then form a committee to find recommendations to fix the problem. They'll never act on those recommendations of course, but it provides great bullet points for the re-election. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 10 21:58:50 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jan 9 08:38:48 2025. Same concept used in NYC and highrises with the water tanks on the roof. You can't really pump water over 6 stories without a watertank or some massive pumps.That would have been a huge issue at the World Trade Center if the towers hadn't collapsed. Because the airplane impacts almost certainly destroyed the standpipes firefighters could not have pumped water to the fire floors. They would have had to let the fires burn out by themselves, and it's highly doubtful the trapped occupants could have been saved. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 10 23:54:53 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 10 21:58:50 2025. 🧑✈️ |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 11 00:55:36 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 10 21:58:50 2025. I guess you never saw the movie, "The Towering Inferno" |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 09:36:21 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 11 00:55:36 2025. I was thinking the same thing. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 11 12:27:12 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jan 9 08:38:48 2025. You can't really pump water over 6 stories without a watertank or some massive pumps.So how is it that there are rest rooms on the top floor of pretty much every tall building? They pump water up to a water tank on the roof, and it flows down from there. The reason for the tank is to smooth out the flow. It allows multiple people on upper floors to flush a toilet at the same time, temporarily exceeding the capacity of the pumps. You can't pull water up more than 33 feet with a pump, but there is no limit on how high you can push water with a pump. And the reason buildings of 7 stories or less usually don't have water tanks, is because the municipal supply is stored at a higher elevation than the top floor of the buildings. For example, the Jerome Park Reservoir in the Bronx is at an altitude of 115 feet. The Hillview reservoir in southern Yonkers is at 295 feet. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 11 12:36:55 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 11 12:27:12 2025. Rooftop tanks can supply water for most purposes but will quickly run out of water during firefighting. That requires standpipes, though in the case of the One Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia in 1991 even they weren't enough. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 11 12:38:07 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 10 21:58:50 2025. Say the plane destroys everything at floor 80. The firemen walk up to the 78th or 79th floor, connect their hoses to the standpipes there, and carry the hoses up to the flames. Very powerful pumper trucks supply the water.In any more ordinary high rise fire, the water tanks on the roof are going to run dry pretty soon anyway, so they would have to follow that same process. It is this process that resulted in most of the firefighter deaths. They were inside the North* or South Tower trying to get to the flames as the tower collapsed. * Radios didn't work, so many firefighters in the North Tower didn't get the order to evacuate. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 11 13:06:47 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 11 12:38:07 2025. It is this process that resulted in most of the firefighter deaths. They were inside the North* or South Tower trying to get to the flames as the tower collapsed.* Radios didn't work, so many firefighters in the North Tower didn't get the order to evacuate. Poor radio communications meant that no one knows for certain just how high firefighters were able to ascend in the North Tower before the collapse. The National Institute of Standards and Technology estimated it to be around the 50th floor, based on how long it takes firefighters in full gear and carrying hoses to ascend staircases (about one story a minute, with a few minutes' rest every 10 to 15 floors). Radios worked better in the South Tower so it's known that Battalion Chief Orio Palmer reached the 78th floor elevator lobby - the "Gore Floor" - about a minute before the tower collapsed. He had found a working elevator that got him to the 40th floor and walked up an additional 38 flights. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 14:14:35 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 11 00:55:36 2025. That’s something else. A millions gallons of water stored on the top of skyscraper. That’s 8.34 millions pound. Jeez. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 17:18:07 2025, in response to Re: LA Fire-gate, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 14:14:35 2025. Suppose they had water tanks atop both WTC towers with all that weight. Add the weight of those planes that hit. Adding the weight of the aircraft to the weight of the water might have been too much for the structures to carry and might have brought them down much sooner. Just speculation here. |
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