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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 26 17:05:51 2023 One of a longer list of names that will end up living in infamy.No wonder so many New Yorkers are moving out. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 26 17:19:14 2023, in response to Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 26 17:05:51 2023. New Yorkers are moving out so they can commit fraud with impunity? Good riddance then. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 26 17:28:44 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 26 17:19:14 2023. Unlike most of this board I have actually appeared before Justice Engoron before. While, in typical fashion for him, the decision reads like he thinks he is the smartest person in the room and gratuitously chides people, that does not mean it is incorrect on the law. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 26 19:26:55 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 26 17:28:44 2023. Unlike most of this board I have actually appeared before Justice Engoron before.Most of us want to run our lives so that we don't ever appear before judges. :) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 26 19:40:39 2023, in response to Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 26 17:05:51 2023. Dog and pony Kangaroo court antics fueled by TDS, and perhaps unnamed "influencial" people? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 26 21:09:42 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 26 19:40:39 2023. De rigueur for them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 27 16:30:53 2023, in response to Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 26 17:05:51 2023. Yet another "judge" that thinks he can violate the Constitution, and especially the Bill of Rights, with impunity. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 27 16:39:25 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 27 16:30:53 2023. SUCK IT!The Trump Crime Syndicate is going down. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 27 17:12:11 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 27 16:39:25 2023. You and bingbong will be saying g that o. Your 10th anniversary |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Sep 27 17:27:56 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 27 16:39:25 2023. Crime SyndicateThis ain’t a Marvel comic. Get yourself treated for that extremely bad case of TDS. Take Bingbong with you, while you’re at it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 27 17:28:22 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Sep 27 17:27:56 2023. Lol |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 27 18:07:18 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 27 16:30:53 2023. You mean the Constitution protects the right to commit fraud? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Sep 27 20:10:40 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 27 18:07:18 2023. Grifters are people and fraud is speech |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 27 21:01:10 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 27 16:39:25 2023. But still.... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 27 21:11:04 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 27 16:30:53 2023. Stand back and stand by. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 28 03:16:17 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 27 16:39:25 2023. LOL, you always say that when some judge violates the Fourth Amendment, dontcha. Enjoy your fantasy world with your nonexistent "crime syndicate(s)", because it ain't gonna last when the real judicial crime syndicate crumbles.Another one for the Spider-Nazi files. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 28 03:16:41 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 27 21:01:10 2023. But still what? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 28 09:33:21 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 28 03:16:17 2023. In what way was the fourth amendment violated and do you even know what the fourth amendment is? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 28 12:45:58 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 28 09:33:21 2023. United States Constitution or Soviet Union Constitution? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:05:53 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 26 17:28:44 2023. What I don't understand is how he could rule without a trial. I am aware of summary judgment but I thought only the defense could win that - a ruling from the judge that the plaintiff has such a weak case that no trial is necessary.I didn't realize a plaintiff could be awarded summary judgment, if that in fact is what happened. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 19:18:10 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:05:53 2023. NY CPLR clearly allows it. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:27:08 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 19:18:10 2023. So the defense can't say they'll reserve their defense for a full trial? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 19:35:21 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:27:08 2023. It is a civil matter with discovery, all the cards are on the table, motions by both sides made. It is a non jury trial anyway. Even in a criminal case, there are times when certain defense strategies may be taken off the table by the court before the trial proceeds. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 28 19:39:02 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:05:53 2023. TDS! |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 28 19:56:45 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:05:53 2023. In lay terminology, Summary Judgment means that there is an absence of a material issue of fact on a matter that is to be determined by the trier of fact. That could be on any argument for Plaintiff or Defendant.To take former President Trump out of this, let’s say you rear end Spider-Pig’s Pinto EV causing it to blow up while he has been stopped at a red light. Spider-Pig can move for partial Summary Judgment declaring that on the issue of liability you are at fault as there was no material issue of fact that he was stopped at a red light you rear ended him. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 20:12:28 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 28 19:56:45 2023. That's a very good example, not uncommon to sit on a civil jury where the issue of liability is already decided, you are only deciding $$. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 20:26:32 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 28 19:39:02 2023. WTF?My question had nothing to do with Trump. Just because you have no interest in how summary judgment works, don't transfer your desire for ignorance to me. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 28 20:29:03 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 20:12:28 2023. Considering my occupation I would hope that I could give very good examples of legal scenarios. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 20:42:22 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 28 20:29:03 2023. No, actually people who really understand things well often give poor examples because they leave out things they know that others don't. Plenty of really knowledgeable folks make poor teachers for that reason. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 28 21:20:20 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 20:26:32 2023. His decision did, I wasn't talking about you. "They" are to make life as difficult as possible for DJT, so he doesn't get in office again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 28 21:25:23 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 28 19:05:53 2023. You’re confusing summary judgment with a motion to dismiss. MTK’s response explains summary judgment (CPLR 3212). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Sep 28 22:54:09 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 28 21:25:23 2023. Bitch slap |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 29 06:21:11 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Train Dude on Thu Sep 28 22:54:09 2023. I wouldn’t consider it as such in this case. While AlM was incorrect, I have seen attorneys cite the 3211 standard on a 3212 motion and vice versa (as well as their counterparts in Federal Court). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 29 07:59:54 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 29 06:21:11 2023. Al wasn’t really incorrect, he was just unfamiliar and he wasn’t claiming that he knew or was right about anything. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 29 09:57:56 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by pragmatist on Thu Sep 28 20:42:22 2023. I guess it is also how you are taught. In multiple required classes I had in Law School, we were taught of the importance of being able to convey legal concepts to a lay audience. As an example, in the required Professional Responsibility class the professor stressed the importance of being able to explain legal procedure to your client so they can make informed decisions in areas that the rules say that is entirely the discretion of the client.Also, I took an elective that involved co-teaching with a HS teacher at a local HS an "Introduction to Law" class. Explaining legal concepts to HS students that came from diverse backgrounds really does help in practice. The textbook was also a bit dated. One of the early lessons was assessing the pros and cons of hypothetical "Good Samaritan" laws. The example it used was Kitty Genovese. That really was not something inner city students could relate to. Most would say they would beat the person up. Being knowledgable enough to use Sherrice Iverson and the final episode of Seinfeld I was better able to get them to understand the concept. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Sep 29 10:10:54 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 29 09:57:56 2023. Those are good things. Too many people forget their roots and become uber specialized, and it becomes a challenge for them to explain foundation stuff. Medicine is perhaps most guilty of that. But it is certainly not uncommon in the legal profession. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 4 13:20:14 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 26 17:28:44 2023. He's Jewish isn't he? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Oct 4 13:24:43 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 4 13:20:14 2023. Justice Engoron, I believe so. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 4 13:48:23 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 26 17:28:44 2023. Sounds like he's trying very hard to not gratuitously chide Mr. Trump. I think most judges would have gotten more outraged about the defendant emailing lies about the judge's clerk, and linking to her Instagram account, to millions of people. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 4 18:22:25 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Oct 4 13:24:43 2023. No. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 4 18:22:40 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 4 13:20:14 2023. No. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 5 08:09:05 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 4 13:20:14 2023. He's Jewish isn't he?But would pre-judge a HAM sandwich ! |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 7 07:25:40 2023, in response to Arthur Engoron, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 26 17:05:51 2023. This is a smirk. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 7 09:00:37 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 7 07:25:40 2023. So what? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 7 09:47:34 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 7 07:25:40 2023. He looks like a total schmuck |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 7 09:47:48 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 7 07:25:40 2023. If he smirked, it was no doubt to avoid hysterical laughter at some of Trump's lawyers' motions.And then there is trying not to laugh out loud when Trump says he was prevented from having a jury trial, when it was his own lawyers who allowed that to happen. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 7 10:02:48 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 7 09:47:48 2023. It’s a grift. People won’t know why there isn’t a jury and will believe Trump that it’s an injustice. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Oct 7 10:08:58 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 7 10:02:48 2023. I wish people would just come to the basic understanding that the fact that someone might be targeted because of who they are or what they say, doesn't mean they aren't actually a fraudster or criminal. They are not mutually exclusive. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 7 11:06:05 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by pragmatist on Sat Oct 7 10:08:58 2023. Thats irrelevant. The presumption of innocence is the basis of pur justice system. Its too bad that democRATS don't believe or respect that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 7 11:29:41 2023, in response to Re: Arthur Engoron, posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 7 11:06:05 2023. The presumption of innocence has nothing to do with a civil trial. |
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