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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jan 16 22:53:46 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 22:50:30 2007. So that's what the Bergen Beach stop area looks like - nice. I never go that far and mainly go to Kings Plaza. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 16 23:55:15 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 21:42:00 2007. "Despite the stop sign, the driver was going fast enough that, following a "screech of brakes" (according to Dolgonos), he still managed to propel Sean more than 100 feet."Indeed. Time for you to do a little math. How much does a car weigh, and how much did Sean weigh? HINT: You can find the energy transfer equation in any decent physics textbook. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 00:42:20 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 21:42:00 2007. I count 4 things wrong with the signs at the intersection.1. The two-way sign should be placed before the intersection not at the intersection. 2. The legend ahead should be placed below the sign. The two arrows by itself means a transition from a multi-lane to a 2-lane road. The transition from a one-way to a two-way road requires the ahead legend below the diamond. 3. The two-way sign is the wrong size. It should be 36"x36" but it's 48"x48" (the expressway size) 4. The all-way supplement for the stop sign is supposed to be mounted below the stop sign. This is mounted on the stop sign and thereby changes its shape. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 17 00:45:51 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 16 23:55:15 2007. In a typical accident the pedestrian is projected upwards. Often on top of and sometimes over the car. That would have to be factored in to the total distance. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 17 00:53:08 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 00:42:20 2007. 1. Why not both places?2. I understood it just fine 3. If you say so, but bigger seems better 4. I've normally seen it at the bottom in California. I don't know about NYC. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 01:23:58 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Easy on Wed Jan 17 00:53:08 2007. Any state receiving federal highway money must conform to the FHWA's Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD). NYS used to publish its own MUTCD but now accepts the FHWA's version. You can get a copy on the web.The objections I gave came from reading the 2003 MUTCD. I can hazard guesses as to why they are there. 1. The stop sign is a regulatory and the two-way traffic sign is a warning. They do not want clutter. Very little is supposed to be at the same location as a regulatory sign. The stop sign's position is supposed to be at the stop line. In addition to the legend on a sign, its shape and location convey information. 2. That's the FHWA's standard. 3. Which is more important the regulatory or the warning sign? A driver's eyes will concentrate on the bigger sign. There are standard sizes for each type of sign. The standard for a street stop sign is 30"x30". There's more than 6" extending beyond the stop sign for the two-way's diamond shape. There's also a regulation that if there are different sized lenses on a stop light, then the red light must be the largest size. Same principle. 4. The reason for using supplemental signs and not placing them on the sign itself is to keep the shape. NYC's Traffic Commissioner is a P.E. and can read the FHWA spec. However, the grunt who puts up the sign and his supervisor aren't. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:35:17 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 16 22:23:01 2007. Actually...this is a rather odd conversation. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd see someone argue that drivers generally are courteous and caring, or give a crap about you.You are a sick man....or or you forgetting that not only are pedestrians human beings, but human beings drive cars too. it's absurd to say what you have said that human beings behind the wheel have no remorse or feelings. Do you really not realize how absurd that sounds? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:39:39 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 22:38:52 2007. We don't know unfortunately if it happned at this stop sign, or somewhere between that sign man and the traffic light ahead (which may have been green). I can't draw any conclusions from the photo either way, because we don't know exactly where this happened. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:43:00 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Easy on Tue Jan 16 22:38:11 2007. Yes, in the dark it may be harder to see. Also, it looks more like a suburban neighborhood than an urban neighborhood, and the right side of the photo looks like it could be quite dark at night as there are only trees and bushes, no buildings or streetlights on that side of the street to cast light.But again, it's very hard, as all this that any of us can say is all speculation. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:53:22 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jan 16 22:53:46 2007. I'm amazed how suburban it looks like right there. That could pass easily (at least what's shown in the photo) for many, many neighborhoods in Nassau County, and even some in Suffolk. Even the buildings scream "Long Island". If I had seen this photo, and had no context to place it by, I would have NEVER thought Brooklyn (although lets forget the MTA bus is in the photo of course). But really, if the photo was tekn when the bus wasn't there, it really looks like Nassau COunty, I can't explain it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 03:06:12 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 16 22:19:24 2007. The photo is worth a thousand words. It gives some perspective, but it by no means makes any speculation any less. Was he crossing at the crosswalk? Your right, a Saturn at a four way We don't know. There is no evidence to say that the driver went through a stop sign, so I am going to say, no it did not happen at the crosswalk. I would assume they would have said that the driver "ran a stop sign and hid someone", which they didn't. Pure speculation on my part, but it appears this happened somewhere between this stop sign and that traffic light up ahead. If Sean was walking anywhere past the second silver parked SUV on the right, it is entirely possible that the driver was already up to about 20 mph, especially with a green light up ahead. I believe I DO see pedestrian crossing warning signs up ahead a little further on the right. Could that have possibly been where Sean crossed? There's obviously a reason they put the pedestrian signs in that particular spot. More speculation, but this happened int he evening, when it was dark, and there are no streetlights or buildings on the right, so this could make it quite dark right here at night, as there's no artificial light except from some random streetlights on the left. I am also going to say there may have been more parked cars in the evening as people get home from work. Again, all pure speculation, but of course no more speculation than anyone else has added. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jan 17 03:47:42 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jan 12 12:04:06 2007. David, while I understand your frustration due to your closeness to the victim, I think you should give the driver a bit of a break here. He did not "hit and run' like a large number of accidents occuring in recent years, and that fact suggests that the driver had nothing to hide. Most hit and run drivers want to hide the fact that they are under the influence of something, are driving with a suspended license or no insurance, or were involved in a moving violation like speeding or going through a stop sign/red light just prior to the accident. And like others who posted in this thread mentioned, the only way a driver would be able to avoid hitting a pedestrian walking in front of their car is to go 10 mph and be able to stop on a dime (similar to restricted speed on the railroad). Picture a whole city of traffic going 10 mph prepared to stop at any second. Not very practical. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jan 17 03:50:52 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 03:06:12 2007. >>There's obviously a reason they put the pedestrian signs in that particular spot.<<I believe there is an Intermediate School over there, Roy H. Mann I.S. # 78. Plus, I think there is a church on the other side of Veterans Ave and a Jewish center a block from there as well. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 06:32:54 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 16 23:55:15 2007. And remind me, what was the velocity of the car at the stop sign? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 06:36:00 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:39:39 2007. The traffic light ahead is three blocks away! (Zoom in on the friendly Google Map I provided -- the next two intersections have stop sign pavement markings on the side streets). Remember: "Michael Dolgonos, 34, was in his garage when he heard the screech of brakes at Veterans Ave. and E. 71st St., followed by a sickening thud." Not E. 68th St. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 06:36:37 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:53:22 2007. Much of Brooklyn looks like that!And Nassau County has MTA bus service as well. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 07:16:27 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jan 17 03:47:42 2007. Give him a break for what? He was unable to control his vehicle to avoid hitting a person -- despite being at or very close to a stop sign.If all you look at is the road directly in front of you, then, yes, you'd need to drive at about 10 mph to avoid hitting a pedestrian. So don't look only at the road directly in front of you. Look further ahead and scan the sides of the street for pedestrians, for parked cars and their doors, for bicycles, etc. Also, continually keep in mind what's on either side of your car and try to maintain an escape path to the left or right, if possible, so that braking isn't your only potential response to something unexpected. But, then again, there must be something wrong with me, since I stop for stop signs, and I think drivers who don't should be ticketed, even when they don't hit pedestrians. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 09:29:06 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jan 12 12:04:06 2007. but a driver on a city street must always be prepared for the possibility of a pedestrian darting out into the street.David, yes, that is true, but what don't you understand about, "it's not always easy to just stop, even if you see everything going on around you". You must have driven often enough to understand that even at 10 mph, there are times when you just can't stop, and if you were never in that situation, you haven't driven much (and I know that's not the case). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 09:29:43 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 06:36:37 2007. Heh, that street actually looks MORE suburban than many Nassau County streets! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 17 09:29:51 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 12 22:30:47 2007. There are times that no matter how good a driver may be, or how alert, he STILL may not be able to stop if someone darts out in front of him.Pedestrians are smaller than cars. The driver should at least be able to steer around a pedestrian. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 09:38:02 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 06:36:00 2007. Remember: "Michael Dolgonos, 34, was in his garage when he heard the screech of brakes at Veterans Ave. and E. 71st St., followed by a sickening thud." Not E. 68th St.Understood, but you can hear an accident a few blocks away. Believe me, that is very loud. In my old neighborhood, I once heard a screech and crash for an accident that was 4 blocks blocks away, especially when windows are open (and in this case a guy in his garage, perhaps with the garage door open). We still don't know if this is the location. There is no evidence that the driver went through a stop sign, so we don't know for sure that this happened at this particular intersection. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 17 09:38:49 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 00:42:20 2007. I count 4 things wrong with the signs at the intersection...So you're saying the accident is neither the pedestrian's nor the driver's fault, but NYCDOT's fault for not following the MUTCD? |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Jan 17 10:12:22 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 16 23:55:15 2007. Have you ever seen a pedestrian get hit by a car Ron? I did once, and the car was going considerably more than 30mph. She ended up underneath the bus I was driving after being hit in the first place, and travelled probably 40 feet at the very most. The car didn't stop. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 10:49:05 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:43:00 2007. I love the matter of perspective. Looks urban to me. haha. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 10:49:19 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 17 09:38:49 2007. So you're saying the accident is neither the pedestrian's nor the driver's fault, but NYCDOT's fault for not following the MUTCD?I don't know any vital details about the accident. I don't know if the vehicle was traveling in the direction given in the photo. I don't know where the pedestrian was crossing. I have no basis for assessing blame and I did not attempt to do so. I can answer a more general question. Can badly placed or functioning traffic control devices be a contributing cause for accidents? My opinion is definitely yes. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 10:50:15 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 09:38:02 2007. But can you hear a body "thud" with a good hangtime several blocks away is the question. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 10:57:34 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 10:50:15 2007. Maybe...maybe not. Again, none of us were there. You'd be surprised how sound travels though, especially in nan area such as shown in the photo where there are little buildings to block sound. It's quite open there aparently. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 10:58:44 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 10:49:19 2007. I have no basis for assessing blame and I did not attempt to do so.Unfortunately people are assesing blame with the small amount of factual information that was given. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:00:02 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 10:49:05 2007. Then Nassau County must be urban. I find it very un-urban. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:04:47 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 03:06:12 2007. *I believe I DO see pedestrian crossing warning signs up ahead a little further on the right. Could that have possibly been where Sean crossed? There's obviously a reason they put the pedestrian signs in that particular spot.*I only see school zone/crossing signs ahead. Take your test again. :p It depends where you crossed. If he used the intersection, then I see no excuse. if you're tires roll past that white line, you ran the stop. Try that in the nazi towns where they look for trouble. I'm sure they could use that for the usual probable cause stop. To have a screech heard that many blocks away at a stop sign would hint at bad driving. If he did "jaywalk", that would fuel back into the original questions. did he come out between buses, or between parked SUV's? Then it would jive. And it would be the pedestrian at fault. Only question is how fast was that car going exactly. Picture 30 yards in that photo. Other than that, case would be closed. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:07:22 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:00:02 2007. Where I grew up I thought "urban", but people in the really scummy area's thought it "suburbian".I guess exurbian ruins the whole scale. I always thought there should be one more catagory in there somewhere. This goes back to our New Orleans conversation. Somewhere between urban and suburbian. Or maybe I'm wrong and it's suburbian and exurbian shouldn't be used as interchangably as light rail and high speed rail is in the media. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:11:45 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:07:22 2007. There's nothing wrong with "urban" and there's nothing wrong with "suburban". I consider a typical Manhattan St to be "urban", but would also consider a block or one or two family one or two story rowhouses to also be urban. Once you get all the space, trees, bushes, etc you see here, it's certainly more 'suburban" than urban. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:16:01 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 00:42:20 2007. I notice something wrong in all photos I see north of Virginia. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:27:46 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:04:47 2007. Again, we have NO idea where thsi took place, other than some guy that "heard" it from his house. As I said, no matter where the driver came from (we don't even know if he turned onto this main road, or came from behind the photographer), he still could have easily been up to at least 20 or 30 by the time he got to that second SUV. There is No evidence to assume the driver ran the stop sign, so it almost definitely wasn't "at" the intersection shown, but further ahead, somehwere between the stop sign and that traffic light ahead. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:38:55 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:27:46 2007. I know you can look up prison/booking records online easily in a lot of places. MVR's would be harder, and I don't know about accident reports.I'm not going to go that far for curiousity or to help someones curiosity regarding a serious life or death thing. BUT, an accident report should have that whole diagram drawn out on it. It would answer where the walker was and landed, etc. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:49:12 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:38:55 2007. Exactly, but all WE are doing is speculating here. Obviously an accident report would give more detail. It would have the exact location, etc. But in the absense of that, no one here is in a position to say what happened EITHER way. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 11:56:20 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 02:35:17 2007. "you have said that human beings behind the wheel have no remorse or feelings. Do you really not realize how absurd that sounds? "No I don't, being that besides seeing it, and waiting for the day that drivers who aren't truckers and bus drivers have courtesy and non assholish self-centered tendencies. Also, ask any psychoanalyist or other professional. There was another one of those "worlds worst drivers" shows on Discovery last night, and if I watched it, I bet they'd have one on again. There's a reason that I'm not doing insurance for the time being dispite it's pay, location flexibity, and great holiday benefits. I don't want to deal with the self centered assholes. Once again, don't stop traffic by commiting suicide, they'll throw rocks at you for stopping that traffic. I was taken back when the favorite bridge of jumpers was closed once and the things that people called in to the radio. Unbelievable. And I'm waiting for all these hit and run people to turn themselves in. Deadlest predistrian city right here...I don't know why anyones walking except I guess they all have suspended licenses or can't afford a car. But maybe someday a week will go by when someone doesn't kill someone and drive off. That'll be the day. My favorite, besides all the old people who should be in homes, is the fat guy with the cane who got mad, and ran over a LARGE group of cyclist because they were on his side/residential street. He continues to drive without a license today and has no remorse. But that starts one of those vents of stories that every cyclist has and will start if you bring it up to them about what drivers do to them. There's a watercooler, radio, newspaper letter topic that has no end. Why do I get sucked into these divorced from reality conversations? Where I have to give expert witness, anticdotes, stories, news reports; and the other side just says something like "that's absurd"? I guess I like to share. Frankly, as much as I love the cross country drive, it ruins my day. I'd rather be the only jew riding the trams in Portland(though there are a LOT of gay people there, never seen a gay anti-semite). But the pay and benefits are really good dealing with this crap. Seriously, you're going to tell me that all these a-holes on the road aren't completely self-centered on the way to work, going on sidewalks and highway medians? The New York drivers were always the worst. And the Michigan/Ohioians were always the most oblivious. So you can't be fer real. And if I find the driver who gives a crap, that's not a professional, I'll dedicate a webpage to them. Some do. Can't use Laura bush for an example, since she hit someone she knew. I don't know the percentages. But for driving style, most of them don't care about you while they're racing to work, because god forbid they leave 3 minutes early. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:01:24 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:11:45 2007. If you compared that to the subdivision towns where there's one superhighway and bunch of socialist subdivisons, you can't say both are suburbian. They have to be called two different things. And I bet the subdivison dwellers might call that photo urban. But that's an assumption. I wonder if "ghetto" is still popular with those people."That extention cord is ghetto" That phrase is so annoying. I make the motion to create a uniform scale of...living? I can agree with it being suburbian if sprawl claims another name offically for now on(exurbian?). All those in favor say aye. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 17 12:01:59 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 17 10:49:19 2007. Can badly placed or functioning traffic control devices be a contributing cause for accidents? My opinion is definitely yes.Of course they can be, but they are not excuses for irresponsible behavior. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:07:05 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:49:12 2007. I think we can agree on one(or two) things though.If he crossed at the crosswalk, and that type of impact happened with screeching, then something was wrong. I wouldn't guess you can hit someone at a crosswalk from a dead stop with that much force, but what do I know. It really looks like a given looking at that intersection. I could see a car coming and going to certain directions not making a full stop there though. Like if that GMC was making a right hand turn, how many ppl make a full stop instead of glancing for oncoming cars? I mean full stop, not yield. And if he jaywalked...where did he come from(between cars or buses?) and how fast was the car going. We did the dirty work, Ken Starr needs to find the last answer. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 17 12:08:48 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 11:27:46 2007. Again, we have NO idea where thsi took place, other than some guy that "heard" it from his house.The article says "at Veterans Avenue and E. 71st Street." Why would that imply that it happened somewhere other than at Veterans Avenue and E. 71st Street? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:09:18 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:01:24 2007. Fine, but there is no such term in effect. So this really is a suburban looking neighborhood.You certainly can't say this neighborhood looks "urban". This is what I consider an urban street: 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:21:45 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:07:05 2007. If he crossed at the crosswalk, and that type of impact happened with screeching, then something was wrong.Why? You can get a screech with a sudden stop if you are going 10 mph, and it's probably likely he was going faster than that. I wouldn't guess you can hit someone at a crosswalk from a dead stop with that much force, but what do I know. There is no evidence he was in (or not in) a crosswalk, and there is no evidence that it happened at the stop sign crosswalk. It really looks like a given looking at that intersection. It's complete speculation that it happened AT that intersection with the stop sign. And if he jaywalked...where did he come from(between cars or buses?) We don't know if he jaywalked, but remember the accident took place after dark, in the evening. There were probably more parked cars as neighborhood streets fill up with more parked cars than during the day as people come home from work. Also, it is probably quite dark there as there are absolutely no street lights or buildings to give artifical light on the right side of the street. There are a few random lamp posts on the left. This is not going to be your typical "urban" night lit up street. and how fast was the car going. None of us have any clue, but it may be hard to stop from anything over 10mph suddenly, and you can have a screeching sound from anything over 10 mph if you stop short you will have a screech. And it is most likely he was going faster than that. Remember, 30 mph is the speed limit, unless otherwise stated, and I don't see any speed limit signs that say it's lower. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:26:24 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jan 17 12:08:48 2007. No it said a witness that LIVES at Veterens and 71st heard the accident from his garage that is AT that intersection. That means it was "near" there, but that could be as far as that 2nd silver SUV, and still be "near" that interesection. There is NO evidence that the driver went through a stop sign, which would have HAD to happen in it happened IN this intersection. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 17 12:44:15 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 06:36:37 2007. Eight MTA/LI bus routes also serve Suffolk County. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:45:47 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:09:18 2007. I'd say it's urban.I'm in a minority that really likes those types of streets...except the parallell parking might get on my nervers more than it does right now. Except I like the rowhouses with the larger lawns. I don't know if in New York, or other cities has lawns as large as the post WWII philly rowhouses. Urban Urban suburbian? Lots of tree's One story with lawns...but the neighborhood ain't "suburbian" I don't see the houses I was talking about with massive lawns though. I have a bookamrk on the laptop though. These have an okey lawn though Two towers in thh middle of nowhere with river on right. Very open area.  Massive development, advertises far away  Different area:     Good luck walking to the newspaper or mailbox on this street, several miles away. Yet there are close 10's of thousands of people living on this street causing complete gridlock meltdown most of the day. I saw the number once and could never find it again. I think this was taken on a Sunday though. Suburbian in the traditional sense, or exurbian? I have subdivison pics somewhere, but it's hard to get anything out of them without context. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:48:44 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:21:45 2007. It's an If then statement.He was at point a or point b. IF he was at point A, then we can say this. If he was at point b, then we can say that. It doesn't mean we can't theorize on what WOULD happen IF he was at either point. And second, at 10mph, do you need new tires or something to screech that long? Anti-lock brakes? You'd make a tire squeel for like what, 2-3 seconds at the most? BTW, in most states(more than 25 I believe) you can be cited for speeding while going under the limit! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:52:48 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 17 12:45:47 2007. UrbanYes, I'll agree. Urban suburbian? Yeah, more urban than suburban....reminds me of many Queens neighborhoods that I consider "urban". Lots of tree's Urban. More Urban than suburban. Again, see Queens comment above. One story with lawns...but the neighborhood ain't "suburbian" Most DEFINITELY urban. Again, see Queens comment above. Just because there's grass, doesn't make it "suburban". As for all the photos, with commenting on each one, in general, all of those I would consider a "suburban" area, even the one with the office towers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:53:55 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:52:48 2007. As for all the photos, with commenting on each oneTo clarify, I mean the photos below the links that you posted, and I meant "without" commenting on each one....sorry for the typo. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 17 12:55:44 2007, in response to Re: He was in my class, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 17 12:44:15 2007. As far as I am aware (and know little about buses), they don't use that sort of buses if they do. I have never seen those type of buses anywhere in Suffolk. |
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