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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 19:43:33 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 31 19:27:26 2021. They SUUUURE did! |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jan 31 19:45:02 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 19:39:27 2021. Not you, but the Trump haters. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 19:56:02 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jan 31 19:45:02 2021. Oh, ok |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 19:57:10 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 31 19:23:33 2021. I don't care what that creepy douche did or didn't do. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 19:58:43 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 31 19:31:05 2021. Bless your heart... |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 31 20:05:20 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 18:42:58 2021. IAWTP |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 31 20:37:09 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 31 19:22:41 2021. I agree. Leave the man alone. Wheres Gerald Ford now that we really need him? We as a nation cannot turn the page if the Trump melodrama is extended and old wounds are reopened. Biden has a golden opportunity to heal wounds and help the nation move on by insisting that this vindictive charade that passes for an impeachment trial be stopped.Ford pardoned Nixon because he thought it was the best thing for the country, not the party. Trump is being brought to trial to benefit the Dems agenda and the hell with the concept of moving on or healing. BIden promised a competent and compassionate government. He should prove he wasn't lying by ordering a stop to this unconstitutional waste of time happening with this trial. Bottom line here, Trump is out of office, Impeachment power does not apply to ex presidents. Even if a trial happens, it will not reveal anything we don't already know. Keeping a nation divided just to punish Trump will serve no purpose. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 31 20:38:53 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jan 31 19:10:13 2021. He did win. What we're seeing right now is a Constitutional crisis in action, as well as what the left is really about. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 31 20:40:30 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 31 20:37:09 2021. The only "golden opportunity" Biden is taking is to act like a dictator (per his own definition too). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 31 20:59:22 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 19:57:10 2021. None of the lawyers who took up the case presented any evidence. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 21:00:29 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 31 20:37:09 2021. We don’t need someone like Gerald Ford. Trump should not be left alone and should be fairly investigated. He has not earned forgiveness. What he has done is significantly worse than Nixon. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 21:01:34 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 31 20:38:53 2021. You are a deeply insane individual. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 21:04:35 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 31 20:59:22 2021. There was no evidence to present. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 31 21:24:30 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 31 19:27:26 2021. But the margin isn't that large. After 4 years (or sooner!), they'll forget all of Trump's excesses or write them off as "it wasn't that bad", and vote Republican again. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 21:45:50 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 31 20:59:22 2021. The Dems made sure that there's no proof! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 21:46:03 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 21:04:35 2021. 👌 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 31 23:15:08 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jan 30 21:07:19 2021. None of Trump's children have the media savvy their father had, not even Ivanka. At least in the near future, I don't think any of them will be a major threat. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 31 23:27:56 2021, in response to Re: Leave private citizen Trump alone, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 21:01:34 2021. He takes "alternative facts" to a new level. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 08:20:52 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 31 21:04:35 2021. Just like "Alternative Facts", they could have come up with "Alternative Evidence", but they didn't want to be jailed or fined for contempt, perjury, or be disbarred. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 08:28:09 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jan 31 21:24:30 2021. I don't think so. It took them 6 years to recover from Nixon (1974 - 1980), but what Nixon did was child's play, and there was an incompetent Carter, who Democrats turned their back on, and voted for Anderson, who got 7% of the vote, handing the election to Reagan and a Republican Senate. We are now taking about a 3rd Reich style, violent sedition, and fascism, based on lies, not an amateurish burglary of a HQ. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 08:38:50 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 21:45:50 2021. OK. Let's get you to bed, it's time for your meds again. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 08:45:03 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 21:45:50 2021. Yes of course, Georgia's and Arizona's Secretary of States and their Governors are Democrats. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 1 09:41:49 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 08:45:03 2021. Arizona’s SoS is a Democrat. But otherwise your point is valid. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 09:54:48 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 1 09:41:49 2021. Funny thing is, while Governor Ducey was signing off the election certification, Trump called him on his cell to stop him. Ducey ignored the call like it was spam, and went on with it. It was all televised.The stupid Arizona GOP has now "censured" Ducey, Mrs McCain, and Flake, all of whom proudly wear it like a badge of honor. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 12:49:24 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 08:28:09 2021. First off, Nixon had nothing to do with the burglary. It was his covering it up that led to the impeachable obstruction of justice charge. What Nixon did was a slam dunk on conviction. Every republican turned their backs on him. He had no choice but to resign. The question about Trump's direct connection to the rioters that broke onto the White House is vague & circumstantial, nowhere near as cut & dry the evidence v/s Nixon was. Theres no "smoking gun" hear akin to the 18 minute tape gap in Nixon's case. Trump still has republican supporters whereas Nixon did not.Bottom line here, if it comes to trial and based of solid evidence he gets convicted, then so be it. He pays his debt to society & that will be the end of him. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 12:55:33 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 08:38:50 2021. What a witty comeback! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 1 13:56:49 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 12:49:24 2021. The evidence is that Trump continued to claim that the election was stolen until 1/6 and thereafter. That was the incitement. The only question is whether it is free speech or not. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 1 14:26:20 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 1 08:28:09 2021. Unfortunately, the limits of what's considered intolerable have also dropped considerably. Look how many people made excuses about the riot, how fast the politicians backpedaled from impeaching Trump, the election of either nutcases or conspiracy opportunists, and how the right-wing media is still feeding the same crap. You or I may not be consuming Fox or Newsmax, but a vast number of Republicans are. What do you think it will do to a person's mindset, with that being their only source of news, day in and day out? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 1 14:32:29 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 31 21:45:50 2021. You should have no problems using those skills you honed over decades to find evidence! After all, a huge conspiratorial organization that lost seats in the House and couldn't give themselves a comfortable lead in the Senate has most likely left evidence and witnesses around! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 14:35:10 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 1 14:32:29 2021. Exactly! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 15:02:40 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 1 14:32:29 2021. Especially since BB knows so many high-level law enforcement people at the local, state AND federal levels! This should be a cakewalk for him. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 15:44:09 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 1 14:32:29 2021. It's not "my case" to find. The Republican's mistake was letting the Dems get away without using watermarks or signatures. I mean, anyone can vote using someone else's ballot if it's mail-in. The Real World is grimey. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 15:45:26 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 15:02:40 2021. Why wouldn't I? I'm a man in my 50s who's worked for decades. Are you saying that in my years of employment that I don't know any high-ranking people in various agencies? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 15:45:57 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 14:35:10 2021. Don't be naive. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 16:37:49 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 15:45:26 2021. Then you should have no difficulty in uncovering the "evidence" of voter "fuckery' you claim the Democrats hid so well. Your friends on high places have access to the resources necessary to accomplish that. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 16:40:06 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 15:44:09 2021. I mean, anyone can vote using someone else's ballot if it's mail-in.OK, let's assume you're right. There's still the matter of total voter count. They have a list of x million people who purportedly sent in ballots. And all those people have been checked to be valid registered voters. So how do you send in fake votes? Yeah, sure, a couple of hundred people probably voted for their senile grandparents. But those will be for both candidates. If you send a legit ballot for yourself, and then send in another where you claim to be me, that's great, unless I happen to send in a ballot too. Then your trick gets caught. And there just weren't significant numbers of cases where two ballots were sent in under the same name. You know why the Trump Campaign eventually gave up in AZ? Because they could only find 191 irregularities to question. If you were right they would have found tens of thousands. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 1 17:47:26 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 16:37:49 2021. The fact is, little man, that in at least 5 states, the rules governing elections were changed, not by the legislatures as required but by the executive branch of those states. Whether or not, those changes affected the election outcome, or if the Supreme Court will ultimately rule those changes unconstitutional, THERE IS YOUR FUCKERY. It couldn't be any plainer. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 18:07:50 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 1 17:47:26 2021. That is incorrect. There were multiple opportunities for judges of competent jurisdiction to rule on the issues you cited, but in no case did they find that there was any "fuckery" of any kind.It couldn't be any plainer. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 18:09:57 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 1 13:56:49 2021. Thats it? That makes for a weak case. If he makes that claim w/o tangible proof, that turns a "claim" into an opinion. IMO thats a free speech issue which would be a waste of time to pursue. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Feb 1 18:15:01 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 18:07:50 2021. Not exactly true. A number of cases were dismissed on technical issues while others claimed, without showing evidence, that even if there was fuckery it was less than the vote differential so who cares. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 18:15:30 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 16:37:49 2021. I'm retired! I'm not getting paid to give a shit. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 18:16:50 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 18:07:50 2021. They (Dems and a percentage of Republicans), wanted Trump GONE...Politics is a dirty game. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Feb 1 18:17:22 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 18:09:57 2021. Except there are limits to free speech. Or do you think Brandenburg v. Ohio should be overturned? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 1 18:18:02 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 18:15:30 2021. Then stop making false claims about the election if you aren't prepared to show us proof to back them up. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 18:19:58 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 18:09:57 2021. We know what Trump did. He repeatedly claimed the election was stolen, while his lawyers filed 62 court cases, none of which alleged fraud. He said what he said in his speech on 1/6, including giving thumbs up to Rudy's call for trial by combat. And if he didn't mean for his listeners to storm the Capitol, it sure took him long enough to tell them to leave.So the question is, is that such improper conduct that he should be barred from ever seeking federal office, or not? Compare this to Senators alleging that Clinton committed perjury about his personal sex life because he deceived through sneaky use of the word "is." |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 18:20:28 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 16:40:06 2021. The lazy kids want to take the path of least resistance. I've had 7 jobs and went to school full time since I was 18, yet I voted every single time (although I've missed some Primaries here and there)"They could only find". Yes, that's the point |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 18:26:51 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Feb 1 18:15:01 2021. it was less than the vote differentialEvery one of the cases presented wasn't just about less than the vote differential. Every case was either (a) not fraud but a procedural challenge that should have been brought before the election or (b) involving an infinitesimal fraction of the vote margin. In AZ, the Trump campaign had 191 voting instances to challenge. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 1 18:38:32 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 1 15:45:57 2021. OMG! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 18:52:06 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 1 18:19:58 2021. Point by point..."He repeatedly claimed the election was stolen,..." True, but he could never prove it. That makes it an opinion. "He said what he said in his speech on 1/6, including giving thumbs up to Rudy's call for trial by combat." You have interpretation v/s criminal intent. Thats for the courts to decide. "And if he didn't mean for his listeners to storm the Capitol, it sure took him long enough to tell them to leave." That is indefensible. Whatever good Trump did during his term will be obliterated by the memory of Jan 6 "...that he should be barred from ever seeking federal office, or not?" Moot. IMO, he's done with public life. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 1 19:02:58 2021, in response to Re: private citizen trump ?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 1 18:52:06 2021. You're giving credence to too many lies here.Every attempt to prove the fraud case was blocked. That's on record. No discovery was permitted whatsoever. How is telling "his listeners" to stop actions they were not at the Capitol to commit "indefensible"?? Trump started speaking 20 minutes after the Antifa thugs in "MAGA gear" were allowed (yes) into the Capitol. |
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