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New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020

"BACK SEAT BELTS REQUIRED"

What about middle rows?

Drop dead Cuomo

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 19:38:14 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

My car gives a warning when a rear seat passenger doesnít wear a seat belt.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 19:39:55 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

Yeah, it's a Cuomo thing...Like in the other 30 states that have similar laws.....

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 19:41:20 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 19:39:55 2020.

PWN3D

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 20 21:00:25 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 19:38:14 2020.

Mine too. By the third warning automatic pilot engages and I'm driven to the nearest police station. But that's probably just a California thing.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 21:04:06 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 20 21:00:25 2020.

My car probably does that too. It's made in California and complies with the new zero emissions standards there.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 20 21:28:33 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 21:04:06 2020.

IIRC, my 2019 Nissan Altima has , 2 outer shoulder belts and a center lap belt only in the rear bench seat.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Dave on Fri Nov 20 21:35:21 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 19:39:55 2020.

Texas has had that law for some time now.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 21:43:24 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Dave on Fri Nov 20 21:35:21 2020.

Around 30 states do. The legislation passed by a very wide margin months ago, with a buffer period until it took effect.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 20 22:04:29 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

The Nanny State

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 22:19:37 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 20 22:04:29 2020.

That is true in many ways, but in this particular case, it is just doing something a large part of the country already does, and had broad bi partisan support in the legislature.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 22:22:05 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 20 21:28:33 2020.

Iím not sure about that. I think shoulder belts in the middle seats have been mandatory for a while now.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 23:09:17 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 22:19:37 2020.

What about busses

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 21 01:46:41 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 20 22:19:37 2020.

it is just doing something a large part of the country already does

Playing "follow the leader" does not necessarily have merit.

and had broad bi partisan support in the legislature

So did slavery in the Southern states before the Civil War ended.



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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 21 04:49:45 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 20 21:00:25 2020.

It's a well-worn cliche, but it's true: In more than 20 years in EMS, I very rarely unbuckled a dead driver or passenger from a seat belt after an MVA. Those who died despite wearing seat belts, were always in cars or other vehicles that were completely destroyed.

N.B.: The city-bound Grand Central Parkway between 188 St. and Utopia Pkwy, was a guaranteed MVA-with-trauma location anytime after 2 AM on a Sunday morning. It got to where we would just park on the WB service road just west of the highway patrol, sit 97, and wait for the job to come to us. Those who wore seat belts were invariably far more likely to survive. It was often the unbelted rear seaters that got ejected.

Oh, and yes, I wear my seat belt in a car or SUV, whether or not I'm in the rear seat.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Nov 21 05:35:19 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 22:22:05 2020.

I'll check next time I drive the car.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 21 08:22:43 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

Law or not, the rule in my car has always been nothing moves until all are belted.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 08:42:27 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 21 08:22:43 2020.

Well you are so wonderful. Great for your little grandchildren, especially around the holiday time when they come to visit.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Nov 21 08:46:28 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 21 04:49:45 2020.

When I would drive my In-laws, seated in the rear, they would respond to my request to buckle-up with "Oh it's ok, we trust you, you're a good driver." and I would respond " I don't want you flying over the seats, braking my neck when someone else hits us."
I would hear click, click.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 08:48:33 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Nov 21 08:46:28 2020.

Did you know that Lt. Columbo never had seatbelts in his car?

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Nov 21 08:50:01 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 23:09:17 2020.

I'd be okay with Buses, When I fly I always stay belted.

Moving above 5-10 mph just makes sense.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 21 09:02:18 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

We always did anyway, but again, I am sick of protect from ourselves law.
Democrats love legislating us to death

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 09:14:17 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 21 09:02:18 2020.

New Hampshire has no seatbelt laws. Thems what wanna wear them are free to wear them. All these anecdotes like, "my car doesn't move until everyone is nuckled." are idiotic. Did you do it before November 1? Then you didn't need another law, did you? In CT or PA there are no motorcycle helmet laws. I don't need a law to tell me to wear one. Seems some need the nanny state to rule every aspect of their lives. Free choice is evil.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 09:36:33 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 09:14:17 2020.

It is the only state without them. Free choice is not evil, but it can be really stupid in the hands of some people. You make the right choice, that's good, but when someone doesn't we all pay the price, it doesn't just fall on the individual.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 21 10:21:16 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 09:36:33 2020.

Yep. Our taxes and insurance payments pay when an unbuckled or unhelmeted person is severely injured and needs months or years of care instead of walking away with minor injuries.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:22:13 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Nov 21 08:50:01 2020.

It makes sense if you WANT to or CHOOSE to. Seat belts have been in cars for over 50 years but until 1984, government had enough respect to let you choose whether or not to wear them.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:25:23 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 21 10:21:16 2020.

They also pay when undocumented, unlicensed drivers cause an accident but you don't wring your hands over that, right?

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Nov 21 10:46:54 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 19:38:14 2020.

I don't know if mine does, because I've never had back seat passengers.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 10:49:02 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:25:23 2020.

Not true, I have to pay extra for uninsured motorist coverage because of them...undocumented is no excuse, they can get dl in 15 states including NY where I live. Plenty of documented unlic/susp/uninsured, same thing...all criminals

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:49:30 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:22:13 2020.

By the way, il Supremo Mario who made front seat belt use mandatory in NY. I guess the worm filled apple doesn't rotate far from the tree.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:53:44 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 10:49:02 2020.

Wait. Let me understand this. I say the insurance companies pay more and you say thats not true? You pay more in your premium because the insurance companies pay more. Really give, you are trying too hard to be argumentive but if that floats your canoe, knock yourself out.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 11:00:09 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 09:36:33 2020.

Ah so then its not a safety issue for you. Its about money. Let's ban tobacco then because it increases our Healthcare costs. Let's ban cookies and cake, too. Let's see what else we can ban today to save us all 💰

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 11:00:51 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:53:44 2020.

No what I said wasn't true is that I don't care. I believe we are in agreement that there is a cost passed on to us...But it isn't any different whether they are undocumented or not, anyone who drives unlicensed uninsured or with a suspension I consider a criminal.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 11:03:30 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 11:00:09 2020.

It is a part of it for sure. I don't want to pay for other peoples stupidity.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 11:12:15 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 11:00:51 2020.

Last year several illegals in an uninsured vehicle were involved in a minor traffic accident near the Westbury train station. Fleeing the accident, they went around the lowered crossing gates and were hit by 2 train passing in opposite directions. The car and occupants were incinerated, leaving the taxpayers holding the bag hor several millions of dollars to replace lost railcars, damaged track, and about 200 feet of station platform. Now, not to be argumentative but there were laws against:

Being in the country illegally
Driving without insurance
Fleeing the sceen of an accident
Driving around down crossing gates

The laws didn't save taxpayers anything.



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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 11:18:06 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 11:12:15 2020.

The same applies in the case of many laws...about a mile from me yesterday morning in a traffic accident caused by a DUI driver someone was killed. The law against DUI neither saved money or a life...but that doesn't mean it has no purpose...

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 21 11:27:27 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 21 09:02:18 2020.


The thesis of the state socialist is that no line may be drawn between private and public affairs which the state may not cross at will; that omnipotence of legislation is the first postulate of all just political theory.
Woodrow Wilson wrote that back in 1887, a quarter-century before he became POTUS. Now contrast that with what the Roman historian Tacitus said (often paraphrased as "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws") and it becomes plain what the Democrats' agenda is.

BTW, in the same 1887 essay, Wilson says that "socialism and democracy" are "one and the same".

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 21 11:31:06 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 21 01:46:41 2020.

Comparing slavery to seat belt laws. Youíre a real winner.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 21 11:41:23 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 10:25:23 2020.

undocumented, unlicensed drivers

The NYS law was changed in 2019. Non-citizens can get a drivers license without a social security card, etc.

The move to make obtaining a drivers license on the basis of residence and driving ability was proposed by Governor Spitzer back in 2007. It has continually been blocked by the GOP-controlled State Senate. It was one of the bills passed by the last Democratic-controlled Senate.

The reason NYS citizens must shoulder a disproportionate share of those injured in collisions is due to driving uninsured vehicles regardless of the driver's citizenship status.

There are plenty of people with homes in NYS who register their cars out of state. They do this to escape their obligation to obtain adequate insurance.

If you wish to vent your spleen, look around your neighborhood for vehicles with out of state plates that are permanent fixtures. Their owners are the ones who deserve your our disapproval.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 12:10:48 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 21 11:41:23 2020.

Actually, my block has 10 homes on it and none have vehicles registered out of state. I suppose you live with a much less ethical people.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 12:22:56 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 12:10:48 2020.

It is a widespread problem, consider yourself lucky. PA is a big one, NJ is common, various Southern states, Texas is up and coming....

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 12:22:56 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 12:10:48 2020.

It is a widespread problem, consider yourself lucky. PA is a big one, NJ is common, various Southern states, Texas is up and coming....

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 12:22:56 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 12:10:48 2020.

It is a widespread problem, consider yourself lucky. PA is a big one, NJ is common, various Southern states, Texas is up and coming....

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Re: New Law in Effect apology

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 12:27:26 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 12:22:56 2020.

Sorry about the triple post, not sure what happened...

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Re: New Law in Effect apology

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Nov 21 12:39:02 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect apology, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 21 12:27:26 2020.

I do that a lot, the progress bar stalls and I hit send again.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Nov 21 14:48:21 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

It's an eye-opener that so many people are gung ho for the Government controlling every aspect of our lives. If people don't want to wear seatbelts, that's their choice. Same with helmets.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Nov 21 15:02:56 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Nov 21 14:48:21 2020.

If people don't want to wear seatbelts, that's their choice.
Seat belts save lives, if you want take a chance, it's up to you.

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Nov 21 15:09:57 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Nov 21 15:02:56 2020.

Exactly! (For the record, I ALWAYS wear a seatbelt)

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 15:10:23 2020, in response to New Law in Effect, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 19:24:52 2020.

Did you protest front seat seatbelt law decades ago ?

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Re: New Law in Effect

Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 15:19:49 2020, in response to Re: New Law in Effect, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Nov 21 14:48:21 2020.

Bullshit. Your injuries will be more severe, and that will drive up auto and health insurance premiums.

It's a PUBLIC road. Play by those laws or don't drive beyond your driveway.

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