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ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:48:30 2020

Roberts, C. J., votes with liberal justices to overturn Louisiana abortion law.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 10:50:04 2020, in response to ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:48:30 2020.

while he ruled the opposite way in an almost identical Texas case.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 10:50:14 2020, in response to ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:48:30 2020.

You're pro abortion?

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:52:59 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 10:50:14 2020.

Yes. You didnít know?

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 10:56:15 2020, in response to ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:48:30 2020.

Well, I'm not planning on getting one. Neither is my wife.




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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 29 11:01:47 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:52:59 2020.

No I did not 37.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 11:09:56 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 10:50:04 2020.

He still believes that the majority in Whole Women's Health applied the incorrect standard, but nevertheless felt compelled to vote as he did in this case because stare decisis and that the majority in the first case could be interpreted in a way that is consistent with Casey. Nobody suggested that Casey should be overruled. Louisiana argued lack of standing and that the law was not an "undue burden" under Casey framework.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 11:17:45 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 29 11:01:47 2020.

???

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 11:21:34 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 29 11:01:47 2020.

Last I checked Spider-Pig was not LuchAAA

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 11:43:24 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 11:21:34 2020.

lol. He may as well be.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 12:10:33 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 11:43:24 2020.

How do you figure? Iím pro-abortion, but I donít consider it some magic cure for society like he does.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 12:32:52 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 10:50:04 2020.

In addition to my previous point, I don't think Chief Justice was too thrilled with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals thumbing its nose at the Supreme Court when there was a case directly on point, just like when the Ninth Circus deliberately ignores binding precedents regarding death penalty and habeas corpus matters. Only the Supreme Court can overrule Supreme Court precedent. If a state wanted to cut back Whole Women's Health, they should have not tried to pass the same law and back it up with the same facts that failed previously.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 12:32:52 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 10:50:04 2020.

In addition to my previous point, I don't think Chief Justice was too thrilled with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals thumbing its nose at the Supreme Court when there was a case directly on point, just like when the Ninth Circus deliberately ignores binding precedents regarding death penalty and habeas corpus matters. Only the Supreme Court can overrule Supreme Court precedent. If a state wanted to cut back Whole Women's Health, they should have not tried to pass the same law and back it up with the same facts that failed previously.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 12:36:23 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 12:32:52 2020.

So you're saying the 4 dissenters would rather get their point of view across than encourage respect for the court?

(I realize you have the same point of view of some of the other 5 too.)

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:29:43 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 12:10:33 2020.

Pro abortion is pro murder, and you know why I feel this way. And I'm not going to discuss it anymore.

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Re: BABY MURDER FOR ALL!

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 13:32:52 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:29:43 2020.

Truth.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 13:39:48 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:29:43 2020.

I disagree but I will respect your wishes not to argue further.

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Re: BABY MURDER FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:40:21 2020, in response to Re: BABY MURDER FOR ALL!, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 13:32:52 2020.

The charts attached show abortion data through 2017. By far this ruling has more impact on blacks than any other race. It seemed to me that the intent was to make abortions safer. Perhaps I am not seeing this correctly but in any event, since no one in my family is likely to be impacted by an abortion law in Louisiana, YAWWWWWWWN


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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 13:41:30 2020, in response to Re: BABY MURDER FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:40:21 2020.

What is your point?

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:42:33 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 13:41:30 2020.

There are several that could be made. I thought that my point was clear

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 13:43:05 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:42:33 2020.

You said something about blacks, and then veered off into an unrelated tangent.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:50:45 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 13:39:48 2020.

Thank you.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 13:53:35 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 10:56:15 2020.

Her body her choice.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 13:56:18 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 13:53:35 2020.

Did I say I was making the choice on her behalf?


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Re: BABY MURDER FOR ALL!

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 13:56:49 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 13:53:35 2020.

You still love abortion, #37?

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:59:44 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 13:43:05 2020.

Clearly by sheer numbers any ruling on abortion seem to impact blacks more than any other group, according to the charts. A whole lot could be said about black lives mattering and the abortion rate but then again, I think my final comment expressed my feelings about this thread. I hope that was clear to thee.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:02:56 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 13:56:18 2020.

You responded?

I was just quicktrolling you.

After beating you in an argument about covid and masks I just wanted to ridicule "my body my choice".

Liberalism is full of inconsistency.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:18:48 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:59:44 2020.

Except that black women have agency, so why do you think they can't decide for themselves whether to abort their embryos?

The key word is black lives matter. Pro-abortion people don't consider an embryo to be a human life that matters.

The intention of the law was never to make abortions safer, it was to prevent them entirely.

Thanks for attacking.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 14:19:40 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 29 13:29:43 2020.

Personally I can't see how anyone who's seen an ultra-sound or felt a kick can be pro abortion.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 14:20:15 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:18:48 2020.

there is that reading comprehension issue again

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:21:23 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:02:56 2020.

How is "my body my choice" inconsistent? It's a weak argument, but completely consistent.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:23:04 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:21:23 2020.

Homeschooling.

That's one example.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:23:15 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 14:20:15 2020.

No, there isn't. Like "whataboutism" you really don't know what that means.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:25:08 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 14:19:40 2020.

Personally I can't see how anyone who's seen an ultra-sound or felt a kick can be pro abortion.

Appeal to emotion. Other eutherians* kick too. The embryos of other great apes look the same.

*Mammals that aren't marsupials or monotremes.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:25:52 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:23:04 2020.

How is that the same?

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:31:46 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:25:52 2020.

If you people think a woman should have so much control over her baby she should certainly be allowed to homeschool the baby. She should have the choice.

Leftism wants to take that choice away.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:51:11 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 11:09:56 2020.

"Whole" is another word the Left is owning.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:51:54 2020, in response to ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:48:30 2020.

I won this thread before it was even a thread.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 15:14:50 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:31:46 2020.

Totally fallacious reasoning. A child is a human who has his/her own rights. An embryo is not.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 15:18:21 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:51:54 2020.

No, you believe you won.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 15:29:45 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 15:14:50 2020.

It's funny you people the Left want choice in the womb but not classroom.



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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 15:38:54 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 15:29:45 2020.

Whose choice? Children have a right to a proper education.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 15:43:01 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 15:38:54 2020.

Parents should have choice.

Interesting the Left wants to take that away.

This is why I wanted Germany to lose to Argentina in the World Cup.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 16:18:57 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 15:43:01 2020.

Children have rights. Those rights trump parental choice, where they conflict.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:11:09 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALM!, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 13:56:18 2020.

You SHOULD! You're the husband!

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 08:42:19 2020, in response to ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 10:48:30 2020.

Good. Problem with this is his reason. Doesn't bode well for the future of this crucial right.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 08:55:54 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 08:42:19 2020.

Not for you. God fixed that. He hates you.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 08:57:58 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 08:55:54 2020.

Wrong. Itís obvious you have no concept of what God is all about. Thatís okay though, he still loves hateful idiots.

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 09:03:59 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 08:57:58 2020.

This whole abortion issue kind of raises all sorts of questions, though. Like why are you so interested? After all, it doesn't effect you. You have no daughters or grand daugters. So maybe it's jealousy?

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Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 09:25:02 2020, in response to Re: ABORTIONS FOR ALL!, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 09:03:59 2020.

You are so hateful and self-centered. Thatís why you don't get it.

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