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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:28:38 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:27:19 2020. Because it's his job to enforce the rules and impose discipline where necessary. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:29:18 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 06:05:08 2020. Hallelujah! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:31:09 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 06:36:02 2020. Yes, this is a union issue I'm talking about here, not a political one. When you're in a union, you protect your men until either they are exonerated, or fired, or found guilty and punished |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:32:52 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 06:36:02 2020. NYPD did not send cops to replace the onesthat took themselves out of the unit. Think about what you just said. They live over here in New York City and the surrounding counties, not in extreme Northwest New York State. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:33:17 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 06:38:19 2020. Yes, and the video clearly shows that he tripped. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:39:08 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:28:38 2020. Yes, that is true, but that's not what I asked you, I said why do you think he said that? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:40:45 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:27:34 2020. It was not brutality. They were in a formation walking, he got in their face, he was pushed out of the way, he decided to try to run backwards, and he tripped. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 08:43:28 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:24:19 2020. But, scoop, even if that were true, is that your justification for deliberately misrepresenting what your own source said. That's deliberate dishonesty. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 08:44:38 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:40:45 2020. that is exactly how I saw it. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:50:00 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:31:09 2020. That's not always true. Here in Philadelphia, a chief inspector (third highest rank in PPD) allegedly groped, harassed, and sexually abused female cops under his command for years. Although the PPD was aware of it, first they allowed Holmes to retaliate against one woman who complained by siccing Internal Affairs on her. Holmes used his Immense power within the PPD to deflect and derail multiple investigations into his conduct. Eventually, he developed such a bad reputation for his behavior, that a bar in Germantown actually circulated his picture among their staff, warning them of his tendency to grope the female customers. Finally, last year, prosecutors took a huge pile of evidence to a grand jury, got an indictment, and Internal Affairs arrested him. They actually put him in a wagon and had him transported to the Roundhouse--where his office was just a few doors down from the Commissioner's--for processing just like any other perp. That was a fall so hard, cops heard it in Chestnut Hill.The FOP, which represents all Philly police officers, regardless of rank, refused to defend him or furnish Holmes with an attorney, which is a departure from their normal practice. Even the union couldn't stomach his alleged crimes. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:54:35 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:50:00 2020. The FOP isn't necessarily a bona fide Union when it comes to show police departments. That is more like a fraternal organization, like the Guardians or the Emerald Society. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 09:00:59 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:54:35 2020. Nevertheless, the FOP is the collective bargaining unit for the PPD, and even they would't have it when it comes to Holmes' depravity. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 09:11:46 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 09:00:59 2020. how far is Buffalo from Swilladelphia? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 09:15:02 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:26:07 2020. You really have drunk the Kool-Aid, haven't you? And you'll be 75 before you know it too.Balance deteriorates with age. He was never anywhere near on balance after he was shoved. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 09:16:09 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:27:19 2020. Because he saw an egregious violation of police procedure. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 09:56:56 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:39:08 2020. I replied that he was doing his job. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 12:37:34 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:33:17 2020. AFTER he got shoved. That's called assault. Buffalo is going to get sued. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 12:42:50 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:33:17 2020. "Tripped" means you are balanced and then lose your balance because of some intervening force.He was NEVER balanced after he was shoved. The cop is lucky the guy didn't die. Obvious criminally negligent homicide, if not manslaughter, like a guy dying after you punch him. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 6 13:27:16 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 12:37:34 2020. To me it looked like he was just pushed out of the way and lost his balance. The cops are going to get fucked because of the media but in my opinion there's no criminality here. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 13:27:34 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 08:26:38 2020. He also runs the police department. Your calling him a mere politician I do not think he would like. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 13:36:16 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 6 13:27:16 2020. When you push 75 year olds, they tend to fall. A 30 year old would have done just fine in response to that shove.Taking it to the extreme, if you put a bullet through a 95 year old man who is dying, it's not a defense to say he would have died anyway. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Jun 6 13:37:14 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 6 13:27:16 2020. IDWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Jun 6 13:37:40 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 13:36:16 2020. I DONT KNOW |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 13:45:46 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 6 13:27:16 2020. You don't see criminality where cops are involved. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 6 14:09:54 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 13:45:46 2020. It's a toxic culture. If we really want to do something about this, that is the place to start. Cops pretty much socialize with other cops. They discuss cases they encounter, further reinforcing bigoted hateful ideas about populations in the community. Those attitudes are then reflected in how they approach their work. The infamous blue line IS for real.And there's nobody to counter it, control it, correct it. Starting there will do a lot towards ending the brutality. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 14:10:34 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 13:36:16 2020. What would you have had the officers do when this gentleman deliberately tried to obstruct their advance? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 14:13:04 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 6 14:09:54 2020. When your former husband told me that you were a trophy wife, I misunderstood. You may be but he likely meant a participation trophy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:26:20 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 6 13:27:16 2020. The cops are going to get fucked because we have video (as we did in Minneapolis), not just the cops saying "he tripped", then left him flat out bleeding with no assistance, and walked by like wooden soldiers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 6 14:26:59 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 12:37:34 2020. Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 14:31:34 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:26:20 2020. "We"? Do you live in Buffalo? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jun 6 16:41:25 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 6 14:09:54 2020. It’s a toxic culture? You might be 5% correct. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 17:19:18 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 6 14:26:59 2020. What does that mean ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 17:22:36 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 05:49:44 2020. They have been charged with 2nd degree assault.Maybe you ought to write an angry letter to the Erie County,NY DA, because he does not agree with your assessment. I saw him on to TV. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 18:00:31 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 17:22:36 2020. ALL political. Watch and learn what happens at their trial. You cannot ignore the law just to appease the mob. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 18:01:36 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 18:00:31 2020. You cannot be the mob (in police uniforms) just to ignore the law. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 18:08:34 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 18:00:31 2020. See what the police union does vs. the DA.From what I understand, a DA is by definition a genuine, experienced courtroom trial lawyer, not a TV judge. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 18:25:35 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 6 18:00:31 2020. You cannot ignore the law just to appease the mob.The law doesn't allow you to shove someone who is standing in your way. You are held responsible for any injuries they might suffer. |
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Posted by #4 SeaBeachFred on Sat Jun 6 21:08:06 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 18:25:35 2020. Protests over the sickening destruction of a decent human being like Mr Floyd should not be abated in the least. But those trouble makers who destroyed and looted business and caused so much destruction in many of our cities should be punished to the full extent of the law. What's worse is that many Black business were destroyed by mobs of hoodlums, many of whom were white. Sickening all around. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Jun 6 22:11:54 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by #4 SeaBeachFred on Sat Jun 6 21:08:06 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Jun 6 22:13:23 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 18:25:35 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 22:25:32 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 18:25:35 2020. The law doesn't allow you to shove someone who is standing in your way. You are held responsible for any injuries they might suffer.Well reviewing the circumstances, the man is clearly stepping up on the cops to block and confront them as they advance. But the cops were charged with felony assault only because the old man was lucky enough to split his head open. Under any other circumstances he's engaging in disorderly conduct, assaulting a police officer, and several other charges. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 23:37:35 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by #4 SeaBeachFred on Sat Jun 6 21:08:06 2020. The mood in America right now is very anti-police.I'm betting that NYPD on video arresting someone for not social distancing will be fired for brutality. It was LES and the cop was getting in the face of a crowd recording. In other words he did what Chauvin's partner didn't. In Buffalo the old man who stepped up on police and tried to block them would face charges under normal circumstances. But he got hurt and rides the wave of momentum. All over America cops are looking at Chauvin and his partners and trying to figure out how the crowd could have been intimidated into moving along, which would have resulted in far less damning video and audio footage for the world to see. The closest camera to Chauvin is about just 20 feet away. NYPD and other forces would intimidate onlookers into moving back. Had Chauvin's partners done so things would not be as bad for him. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:12:14 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 18:25:35 2020. In that scenario, yes it does. He was actively interfering with them, blocking them, and getting in the way. 30 years ago, plenty of times when I was in the subway, if people got cute and purposelyblocked me, they got the football shove. Also, when effecting an ejection from the system, you were (don't know if it still holds true) allowed to use physical force, if necessary. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:15:35 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 18:08:34 2020. Um...what?! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:17:24 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 18:01:36 2020. Police are allowed to forcibly move people who are interfering with their operations. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:19:22 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 6 14:09:54 2020. Poppycock! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:21:05 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 6 13:27:16 2020. Exactly. They will be thrown under the bus to appease the mob. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:22:40 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 13:36:16 2020. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 7 02:23:40 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:26:20 2020. I'm sure most of them didn't even know the guy was bleeding. Besides, they have all the cops to take care of that |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 7 03:44:57 2020, in response to Re: 57 Buffalo Cops Resign, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 17:19:18 2020. It means exactly what it says. |
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