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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 14:47:38 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 14:30:27 2020.* I've seen a picture of her on facebook. What is your point? Your issue is with Salaam, not his wife.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Mar 14 14:53:38 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 14 14:31:37 2020.* LOL
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Mar 14 15:00:24 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 14:47:38 2020.* You are right. Just like when you had an issue with Edward's and you tried to drag selkirk and bingbong into it. Is that how it works sometimes?
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Mar 14 15:10:21 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 14:47:38 2020.* IAWTP
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Mar 14 15:10:43 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 14:53:38 2020.* TOO BAD YOU DONT HAVE A WIFE
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 15:17:44 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 15:00:24 2020.* Selkirk and edward posted here. Mrs, Allah doesn't.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 15:18:41 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 14 15:10:43 2020.* Yeah. Too bad I don't.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Mar 14 15:19:11 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 15:17:44 2020.* How do you know? Do you know the identity of every poster? Do you know how many people use salaam's handle?
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Mar 14 15:19:44 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 15:18:41 2020.* Why don't you?
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 15:38:24 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 15:19:11 2020.* LOL
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 15:39:20 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 15:19:44 2020.* I couldn't get lucky in Chinese whore house with a thousand dollars in my pocket.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Mar 14 15:45:07 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 15:39:20 2020.* It's a shame that you feel that way.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 15:47:19 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 15:45:07 2020.* The lord never gave to the ability to attract the opposite sex. I am an incel.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Mar 14 15:48:58 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 15:19:11 2020.* THATS BULL
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 15:58:33 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 14 15:48:58 2020.* No. This is bull.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Mar 14 16:19:07 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 15:58:33 2020.* POST (1707300) WAS BULLSHIT
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Mar 14 16:20:25 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 14 16:19:07 2020.* This one?
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Mar 14 16:43:47 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 14 15:19:11 2020.* IAWTP (1707300)
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Sat Mar 14 16:44:05 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 14 16:43:47 2020.* Ok
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Mar 14 16:49:22 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 14 16:44:05 2020.* K
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Mar 14 17:08:15 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 14 15:58:33 2020.* This was a bull. He’s gone now.
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Re: I Am Not Panicking
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Mar 14 21:41:29 2020, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020.* Reality, from the genius himself!
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Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Mar 14 22:15:44 2020, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Dave on Fri Mar 13 07:54:34 2020.* Daily Caller Ohio Governor’s Alarming Claim About The Number Of Coronavirus Cases Was Based On A ‘Guesstimate’ Chuck Ross March 13, 2020 3:56 PM ET A top Ohio health department official who said Thursday that 100,000 or more people in the state have coronavirus now says she was “guesstimating” to arrive at the alarming number. “I am not saying there are absolutely for certain 100,000 people,” Dr. Amy Acton, the director of the Ohio Department of Health, said at a press conference Friday. “I’m saying I’m guesstimating. If I’m guesstimating community spread, that’s my best number.” Acton raised eyebrows Thursday when she said that because there is community spread of coronavirus in Ohio, at least 1% of residents in the state are likely to have the virus. “Just the fact of community spread says at least one percent, at the very least one percent of our population, is carrying this virus in Ohio today. We have 11.7 million people, so the math is over 100,000,” Acton said Thursday. Community spread occurs when individuals become infected with a disease without having traveled to places with known outbreaks, or having contact with someone known to carry a virus. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine amplified Acton’s estimate Friday, saying on Twitter that it is likely that 100,000 residents in the state are “walking around” with coronavirus. He also cited Acton’s claims in an interview on Fox News. But some health experts questioned Acton’s numbers. One reason to doubt that Ohio has 100,000 undetected cases of coronavirus is that there have been no deaths recorded in the state so far. Dr. Trevor Bedford, a physician at the vaccine and infectious disease division of Fred Hutch, noted that when there were around 100,000 infections in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, there were 1,000 severe cases in the city, and 300 deaths. “Thus, given the severity of this disease I don’t see how it’s possible to reach 100k infections and not notice it in deaths and hospitalizations,” Bedford wrote on Twitter, adding that he “very respectfully disagree[d]” with Acton’s estimate. In the U.S., there are more than 1,700 confirmed cases, and 41 people have died. Ohio had five confirmed cases of coronavirus as of Thursday, and 14 as of Friday. Bedford also pointed out that it took around three months for Wuhan to reach 100,000 cases. “Thus, it would have had to have been circulating in Ohio since mid-Dec for this to be the case, which is almost certainly not the case,” he wrote. Acton noted at Friday’s press conference that her comments Thursday had gone “viral,” and offered an explanation of how she arrived at the 100,000 figure. She said that the “guesstimate” was based on one prediction that 60% of the U.S. population will become infected with coronavirus. Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at Harvard University, has estimated that between 20% and 60% of Americans will come down with coronavirus, known as COVID-19, at some point. Acton said that Ohio health officials “worked our way back” on the calendar to determine Ohio’s infection rate. “We roughly guesstimated March 9^th” as the date that Ohio would have an infection rate of one percent, she said. It might only be a matter of time before coronavirus does infect substantial numbers of Americans. Health professionals hope to slow down the rate of increase in infections, so that hospitals and health facilities can better manage the epidemic. ODH did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for additional information. DeWine’s office did not respond to emails seeking comment. “You look a little bit like an alarmist,” Acton said of herself during Friday’s press conference.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 15 01:54:47 2020, in response to Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 14 22:15:44 2020.* But some health experts questioned Acton’s numbers. Good. Unsupported overreaction is just as bad as unsupported underreaction to the potential seriousness of the situation.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sun Mar 15 06:43:22 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 15 01:54:47 2020.* Here's the thing, though: if it is reported that, say, 2,000 people in the US have coronavirus, that means 2,000 people have been tested and found to be positive. Since the kind of testing we really need done isn't happening, it is plausible that there are many, many times the known number of COVID-19+ people out there already infected, but asymptomatic. That's not an "overreaction".
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by ntrainride* on Sun Mar 15 08:13:34 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 06:43:22 2020.* booooo!!! boogie man comin' for ya, son.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sun Mar 15 08:16:59 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 15 08:13:34 2020.* Bookmarked.
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 15 09:49:28 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 06:43:22 2020.* Since the kind of testing we really need done isn't happening, it is plausible that there are many, many times the known number of COVID-19+ people out there already infected, but asymptomatic. I would agree this was quite possible, except for the fact that in South Korea, where they do test widely, they have not found huge numbers of asymptomatic people. In any case, what really matters, whether we have decent testing or not, is the percentage of the population that will get a serious enough case to require hospitalization. It is that percentage, and how it unfolds, that will determine if our medical system gets overwhelmed like Italy's has been.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sun Mar 15 09:57:07 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 06:43:22 2020.* I think that's pretty obvious.
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Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 15 10:01:26 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 06:43:22 2020.* Remember when China was first reporting cases in Wuhan and the media speculation was that the number was likely many times higher because china's government tends to downplay such things? Well that's us now.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sun Mar 15 10:38:10 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 15 09:49:28 2020.* South Korea got their shit together early, and started testing their people consistently and on a widespread basis. Here at home, the virus has had at least four weeks to run rampant, and the testing which should have begun as soon as people began presenting with symptoms, was deferred. We're still not doing it.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 15 10:46:50 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 10:38:10 2020.* Do we need to test everyone that's sick? I just watched the guy that was in charge of the CDC under Obama and he stated that we're already in pandemic and beyond containment so there's really no need to test young, healthy people with symptoms.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sun Mar 15 11:13:25 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 15 10:46:50 2020.* It's too late now, but a good early step would have been to make testing universally free and available to everyone, sick or not. We would then have gained a much clearer picture of how many people were actually infected, where, and in which demographics. Certainly we would know where to concentrate our resources mist effectively.
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 15 11:18:45 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 15 10:46:50 2020.* Extensive testing might not save lives but it might have allowed for lesser social isolation.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 15 11:57:41 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 15 11:18:45 2020.* I just want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. Ever have so many who know so little have had so much to share with so few.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 15 12:18:50 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 15 11:18:45 2020.* Could be. He didn't say whether or not there should have been more tests available, only that the CDC responded in accordance with their protocols that were established under multiple administrations and that he believed they responded appropriately.
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Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 15 12:20:58 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 11:13:25 2020.* You could be correct but note that the CDC disagrees with you. They have an established protocol that the Obama head said was nonpartisan and non-political. And he said that was followed.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sun Mar 15 13:01:43 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 10:38:10 2020.* Life, birth, blood, doom. The hole in the ground is coming 'round soon!
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Displaced Angeleno* on Sun Mar 15 13:57:56 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 15 11:57:41 2020.* Ever have so many who know so little have had so much to share with so few. I have to say, I didn't think you had the capacity for such introspection.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by 3-9* on Sun Mar 15 14:15:28 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 15 10:01:26 2020.* Sad to say, I agree.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 15 14:15:30 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Displaced Angeleno on Sun Mar 15 13:57:56 2020.* Well I guess you've just shot your cleverness wad for the year.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Mar 15 14:19:30 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Displaced Angeleno on Sun Mar 15 13:57:56 2020.* Did you know that argumentum ad lapidem is a logical fallacy?
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 15 14:24:16 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 15 14:15:28 2020.* I don't see any indication that the US government is hiding known cases. Failure to test sufficiently can easily be causing a lag in reporting, of course.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 15 14:35:59 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 15 14:24:16 2020.* As I mentioned earlier, the current position of the CDC is not to test otherwise healthy young people with coronavirus symptoms. So even though the intention may not be to hide, the result is the same. We are intentionally underreporting.
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Mar 15 14:39:14 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 15 14:35:59 2020.* OK, agreed.
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood* on Sun Mar 15 16:05:04 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 15 14:24:16 2020.* That's pretty much what Nate Silver just wrote on Twitter. He pointed out that in Wuhan, a case typically became part of the data about 2 weeks after an infected person became symptomatic. This is likely to be longer in the US because we're not doing as well on testing. The night Rudy Gobert tested positive there were 1,321 confirmed cases in the US, as seen on the CSSE dashboard. Because there are only 390 active N.B.A. players in the world (and now three have tested positive), that suggested to me that the actual number of cases was much higher.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sun Mar 15 22:58:53 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 15 10:01:26 2020.* Slight difference: China's downplay was malice. Ours was incompetence and worthless federal agencies. What's funny: Someone sent me a link to an InfoWars special on 2/23 about Coronavirus. Alex himself was off at a Bernie Sanders rally so the first 15 minutes were done by some guy who does farm reports... and that 15 minutes was straight up properly sourced journalism showing how the CDC flowchart for testing for coronavirus all but guaranteed almost no one would be getting the test. Like, I felt like I was getting actual news. Then AJ came on and basically derailed everything so I shut it off. Two days later is when the California researcher defied CDC orders to repurpose a flu study for coronavirus, and found the first US instance of someone who had no direct connection with travel to the infected countries. She got as many tests done as possible before being shut down by the useless Federal Government. And people think these clowns can run a national healthcare service...
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Mar 16 01:18:47 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 15 10:01:26 2020.* What's being downplayed? Where are all the sick people you're claiming are out there? And that's an apples/oranges comparison.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Mar 16 01:19:30 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 15 22:58:53 2020.* Where are all the sick people you and he are allegedly referencing?
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Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking)
Posted by ntrainride* on Mon Mar 16 06:05:42 2020, in response to Re: Ohio Panic (I Am Not Panicking), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 15 11:13:25 2020.* damn, you know everything about everything, don't you? just shaddup already.
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