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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 14 20:06:11 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 14 20:03:09 2019.

There are enough residents for a community board there? When I looked at the street level views, there weren't a lot of residential buildings.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 14 20:07:07 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 14 20:00:47 2019.

Oooh, nice pic! Hope you post it to subchat!

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 14 20:19:23 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 19:54:58 2019.

Correct. However the existence of a free market is not the issue. Its a case of greedy speculators & real estate people who abuse the free market system and could care less about the people in the area that get hurt, with the seal of approval from mutts like DeBlasio & Cuomo.
Fuck Amazon. They should have given them a spot on Roosevelt Island south of the Queensboro Bridge.
Don't like that? Try Belmont Island!

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 14 20:35:45 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

If Northam was a Republican, there would tremendous media scrutiny on Amazon's decision to place a HQ in Virginia.

Jeff Bezos would politicize the Virginia HQ, threaten to leave, boycott, you know how it works.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Feb 14 20:35:49 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

I for one am disappointed in Crain's lack of coverage about this turn of events.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 14 20:39:48 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Feb 14 20:35:49 2019.

Maybe they got blindsided, and are scrambling to put together an article.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 14 20:45:28 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 14 20:06:11 2019.

I'm pretty sure the whole borough is mapped out into a district except JFK.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Feb 14 20:52:49 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 14 20:19:23 2019.

They should have given them a spot on Roosevelt Island south of the Queensboro Bridge.

A good portion has been taken by Cornell Tech.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 14 22:09:04 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 18:20:16 2019.

It's insane. Many progressives hate non-government jobs. Especially if it's a company owned by someone wealthy. They believe that only the government can be trusted to treat workers fairly. I heard a retired LA City Council person say essentially that about a decade ago to stop a manufacturing company from bringing jobs to LA and have noticed it over and over since then. They would rather people be unemployed and living on welfare than have them have real jobs where they are exploited.

NYC has lots of jobs but could use more. Lots are unemployed. Amazon would have significantly helped reduce unemployment although I totally get being opposed to them getting tax breaks. That is obscene.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 14 22:37:27 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 14 22:09:04 2019.

++100

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:04:47 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 14 20:19:23 2019.

What abuses are they perpetrating, exactly?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:06:50 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 14 20:06:11 2019.

This is the district for Queens Community Board 2:



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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:09:10 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 18:57:47 2019.

Sarah Palin knew what she was doing too.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:10:17 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 14 22:09:04 2019.

I think the tax breaks were excessive, but itís how government invests in business.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 14 23:14:41 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:10:17 2019.

I agree.

But businesses have to invest in schools and infrastructure and the way to do that should be taxes that repair roads, schools, and pay for quality teachers.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:21:05 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 14 23:14:41 2019.

The taxes on those employees salaries and wages would have paid for that. At least theoretically. So an appropriate tax break would leave the government better off, not worse.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 14 23:23:18 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:21:05 2019.

that's true.

People are complaining for the stupidest shit.

They don't want working Amazon employees. They don't want shelters. Who do they want in Queens?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 00:01:39 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 14 23:23:18 2019.

Illegal aliens and their anchor babies.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 15 00:07:47 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:06:50 2019.

That's a pretty huge area, not to mention a lot of, uh, diversity.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 00:07:50 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 00:01:39 2019.

an no Whole Foods.

This might have been the only chance to get Whole Foods in Queens.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 00:11:57 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 15 00:07:47 2019.

Well, that's how they include less dense areas.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 00:30:03 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 19:14:30 2019.

Why?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Feb 15 03:32:17 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 15:46:14 2019.

Good post.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 03:50:59 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 15:46:14 2019.

Do you live in Queens or NYC borough?

AOC and Van someone were interviewed or held a press conference and said this was aimed at "the richest man in the world".

AOC represents people who do not want to work and that's the message people get from this.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 08:54:46 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:21:05 2019.

At least theoretically.

And which no one can actually address. Would Amazon have been able to get most of the tax breaks if they only hired 10,000 people? Would the tax breaks be a good deal for NYC if they hired 25,000?

They're now saying they will hire some of these people in Manhattan. LOL. How many fewer people will they actually hire in NYC? We'll never know.



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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 08:56:32 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 15:46:14 2019.

What stakeholders? The people supported this. It was a small number of elitist politicians representing a noisy minority who stopped this.

I just despise single incumbent legislative elections.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 08:57:40 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:10:17 2019.

There is little proof that most tax breaks are a good investment however. Just because government does it doesn't mean they should to the degree that they do.



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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 08:59:15 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 03:50:59 2019.

No. The working class voted for Crowley. It was the millennial Sanderista elitists who voted for AOC in the primary.

Iím a millennial elitist too, but one who considers socialism a dirty word. Did you know that many people know consider capitalism to be a negative word? Sad.

Despite that seemingly right-wing screed, I blame the right for discrediting capitalism.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 09:23:06 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 08:54:46 2019.

Has anyone found the bottom line cost/profit on this thing?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Feb 15 09:27:01 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 08:59:15 2019.

The working class voted for Crowley.

Ocasio-Cortez got 57.5% of the vote. It wasn't close She took Crowley's Woodside base by an even greater margin. Here's a link to a map (at bottom of article) that shows the geographical split.

The map's caption notes: "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez won big in parts of Steinway, Sunnyside and Jackson Heights." These are working class and ethnic neighborhoods. Crowley's base shifted towards East Elmhurst, which is mostly black.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 11:22:58 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 08:59:15 2019.

Capitalism peaked in the 1960's.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:39:52 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 11:22:58 2019.

Yes, it did because after the recovery from the oil shock, the balance between socialism and capitalism was tipped too far away from socialism.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Feb 15 11:47:39 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 08:59:15 2019.

As the ability to think deeply and accept various paradoxes is reduced by a variety of 21st century factors (though founded in previous centuries), everything, more and more, is considered either awesome or terrible. Anything such as capitalism that, once come to be perceived by the sober-minded as mostly good if not totally awesome, ends up in the "bad" category because of its various shortcomings.

Along these lines, I sometimes get warned by someone asking me to take a survey regarding their effectiveness / service that their higher-ups take anything less than the highest rating as unacceptable. I'm not sure if they are lying about that in order to guilt me into giving the highest rating or if they're telling the truth.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:16:31 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:39:52 2019.

Capital and Labor were properly balanced then. The "Greatest Generation" embraced the social spending as well.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 12:52:30 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:16:31 2019.

Not entirely. I recall the stories in the sixties and early seventies about our grandparents (your great-grandparents) living on cat food. Those stories were reported by baby boomer reporters.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:46:46 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Feb 15 09:27:01 2019.

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/ocasio-cortez-data-suggests-that-gentrifying-neighborhoods-powered-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-victory-over-the-democratic-establishment/

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:05:48 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:46:46 2019.

Yes, meddling outsiders who aren't even New Yorkers move to these neighborhoods and don't get with the program when it comes to voting

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 22:33:54 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:05:48 2019.

They can vote however they want, even if itís for AOC.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:58:28 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 22:33:54 2019.

Unfortunately that's the case. However, not when I get into power!

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:59:28 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 12:52:30 2019.

My great-grandparents didn't live on cat food !

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 15 22:59:33 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 23:04:47 2019.

The abuse of taking the premise of "Price the market will bear" to its destructive limit without consideration of long term effects on neighborhood demographics. Simply put, pricing out locals & bringing in big bucks "carpetbaggers". Where are the locals going to go?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 23:05:24 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:59:28 2019.

Why would cat food be cheaper than human food anyway?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 23:07:59 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 23:05:24 2019.

Yup.

Pet food is the same as human food.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 23:09:21 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 15 22:59:33 2019.

GOD BLESS CARPETBAGGERS!

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 23:12:41 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:58:28 2019.

LOL! You claim that you're a Democrat? They'll neVer let you run! LOL!

Your record of hypocrisy here gets you nowhere with the party.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 23:16:20 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:59:28 2019.

You were still shitting yourself when those stories were out there. So stay out of it, as it was before your time.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 23:37:06 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 23:05:24 2019.

Less need to remove gristle and other unpalatable stuff. Also uses body parts that human food doesn't use.



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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 23:59:00 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 23:37:06 2019.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pet-food-costs-fifty-per-6219682

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 02:33:58 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 12:52:30 2019.

Well nothing is entirely. Of course there were poor people but for the majority, the economy was the best weíve ever seen. People could hire on a factory at entry level and within a year could buy a car. In a few years they could buy a house. We had enough money as a country to put a man on the moon and educate every child and still build highways.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Feb 16 03:48:27 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 23:12:41 2019.

I'm EVERYTHING they like!

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