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Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019

Amazon ,ditches plans

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Posted by Dave on Thu Feb 14 12:07:46 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

Wonder if it will all move to Virginia or if some of the cities previously in the running will get a second bite at the apple?

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 12:11:11 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

The 7 Flushing line is already at capacity.

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:14:10 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

Good.

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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 14 12:15:26 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

Stupid on NYC's part. Any tax breaks would have been more than made up with the increased spending in the local economy.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:17:42 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 14 12:15:26 2019.

This is horrible for New York City. I don't know how anyone could be for Amazon not having the headquarters here. New York City is the center of the universe and we need economic shots in the arm like this. And they even said in the statement that even though 70% of New Yorkers wanted them there, because of the noisy vocal minority of people who didn't want them there, now, they are going to abandon New York City and go somewhere else.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:18:00 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:14:10 2019.

How the hell could not be good? It's actually horrible from New York City to have them cancel

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:18:27 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:18:00 2019.

It should have said how the hell can that be good

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:20:10 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 14 12:07:46 2019.

I don't know. I'm hoping Philly gets a bite.:)

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 12:21:33 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 14 12:15:26 2019.

You did the analysis?

It seemed like a lot of tax breaks for a relatively small payoff to me, but I admit I didn't look at it closely.



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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 14 12:30:00 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:18:00 2019.

Just a lot less wealth out there for Comrade Wilhelm to try to grab. Never mind Prince Andrew Moloch.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:37:37 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:18:00 2019.

Amazon was going to get $3 billion in corporate welfare to come to NYC, while at the same time refusing to pay the people who would have worked there, a wage sufficient to allow them to live in the city. On top of that, the company had no plans to invest in infrastructure, education, or the surrounding community, in exchange for all that government largesse. Then, too, the 7 train is already running at capacity, and cannot absorb 25,000 new riders every day. I'M m all for creating new jobs, but jobs that pay a realistic wage, and are accompanied by a genuine, workable community plan. Amazon did neither.



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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 12:45:38 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:37:37 2019.

Then, too, the 7 train is already running at capacity, and cannot absorb 25,000 new riders every day.

This shouldn't be on OTChat. :)

If Amazon hires 25,000 workers, only a small fraction would come to work on the 7 train from Flushing (the crowded direction). 6 of 8 rapid transit approaches to LIC (all except the westbound 7 and E/F) still have the potential for added capacity.

It's quite possible that the subsidies were way higher than reasonable, making Amazon a bad deal. But we shouldn't invent transit-related issues that don't exist.




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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:46:11 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:37:37 2019.

What the hell does the surrounding Community have to do with anything? Well, you don't have to worry about those scenarios now as they caved in.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Feb 14 12:46:34 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 14 12:07:46 2019.

Wonder if it will all move to Virginia or if some of the cities previously in the running will get a second bite at the apple?

According to Bloomberg: "We do not intend to re-open the HQ2 search at this time," Amazon said."

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Feb 14 12:49:21 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:37:37 2019.

the 7 train is already running at capacity,

The 7 isn't operating at capacity. They currently operate 28 tph; they used to operate 36 tph.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:52:56 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Feb 14 12:49:21 2019.

A caveat: 36 tph before they installed needless timers all over the place.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 13:13:21 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:18:00 2019.

IAWTP! Fucking socialist assholes!

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 13:14:56 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 12:17:42 2019.

IKR

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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 14 13:30:55 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

Dumb asses caused us to lose 25,000 wel paying jobs which wouldve paid back the price that we paid to bring them over quickly.

These people need to be voted out immediately


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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 13:47:02 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 12:11:11 2019.

They could add frequencies if they wanted to.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 13:49:07 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 12:52:56 2019.

They could still do better. Instead of spending $1.5 Billion on crony capitalism, spend it on re-engineering it for 12 car trains

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 13:52:36 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 14 12:15:26 2019.

Just as Princeton University runs Princeton Township and Rutgers University runs New Brunswick city, the local governments being stooges for them, Long Island City would have become Amazon City, and local councilmen and community board would be rendered useless.

Other smaller companies will eventually move in and take their place for 25,000 jobs.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 13:55:38 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 12:11:11 2019.

In the other direction.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 13:56:07 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 13:49:07 2019.

Itís an investment. Private business can invest, so can the government.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 13:59:50 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 13:55:38 2019.

Reverse commuters?

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 14:04:54 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 13:59:50 2019.

Mostly yes. Theyíll either live in LIC, or commute from Manhattan or Brooklyn.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:11:17 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 13:52:36 2019.

Oh, and I have no sympathy for a multi-billion dollar company which pays their employees chicken feed and flogs them so hard they carry piss jars with them on the warehouse floor, rather than dare to go to the bathroom.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 14 14:12:44 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 14 13:30:55 2019.

We'll I don't disagree with that but who voted them in?

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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 14 14:13:33 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:11:17 2019.

Liar. Prove that happens.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 14 14:18:51 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

Amazon pulled out on Valentine's Day.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 14:24:58 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:11:17 2019.

Oh please! This isn't Oliver Twist

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 14:36:00 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 13:56:07 2019.

As the government did building the #7 100 years ago when the landscape looked like North Dakota from Amtrak.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 14:38:53 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:11:17 2019.

I have also heard that story also 3rd hand - some of their warehouse employees are simply not allowed to go to the bathroom when they have to.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:40:01 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 14 14:13:33 2019.

Proff.

InB4 "infected links"...

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 14:40:47 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 14 14:18:51 2019.

The fact they don't have a Plan B to replace LIC makes me suspicious if they really would have put 25,000 people there that may not exist on their payroll.

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Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:41:14 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 14 14:24:58 2019.

It's actually worse.

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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 14 15:10:26 2019, in response to Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 14 12:05:58 2019.

Thank you asshole Democrat politicians like Alexandria Dim Bulb Cortes

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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 14 15:13:09 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 14:38:53 2019.

Lol. Gotta live the hype in your favorite leftist rags

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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 14 15:14:04 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 14 12:15:26 2019.

I knew NYC could t handle something so good.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 15:23:47 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 14 14:11:17 2019.

So what? If those are serious issues, it wonít solve them or punish the company by keeping them out of NY.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 15:26:31 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 14:04:54 2019.

Good point. I have noticed that in the AM rush, the inbound 7s are paced, while the outbound &s to Flushing are sparsely ridden.

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Posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 14 15:29:03 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 14:40:47 2019.

I question that also. It weird Amazon's going from having HQ 2 (the NYC half) to not doing it at all instead of relocating to another city. Makes me think maybe they were just relocating a lot of employees. Or possibly VA will pick up the slack?

A city like Newark, NJ could have really used it while still pulling from the same talent pool.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 15:32:16 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 14 13:30:55 2019.

They wonít be. The voters will think this is good.

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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 15:32:44 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 15:23:47 2019.

Agreed. Those are just the splashy issues.

The real issue is whether the proposed subsidies were appropriately proportional to the jobs added, especially if the added jobs only partially materialized.

And I haven't seen a good analysis of that issue anywhere.



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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 15:34:17 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 14:36:00 2019.

Fucking Moses didnít build highways with Chicago-style deep dish transit medians.

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Posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 14 15:41:22 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 14 15:32:44 2019.

Agreed it's simple math. Will the money those jobs bring in (income tax, rent etc) out weight the corporate welfare they receive?

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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 15:42:09 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 14 15:34:17 2019.

He made sure the Van Wyck got built withOUT one so as to render that branch unbuildable off the Queens IND.

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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 15:42:44 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 14 15:26:31 2019.

After Grand Central, they become sparse

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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 14 15:43:35 2019, in response to Re: Amazon ditching plans for NYC office, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 14 15:13:09 2019.

I did not get it from "leftist rag".


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