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2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 03:21:26 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 14 23:19:13 2018. That's right. The "WWB" narrative blows up.Meanwhile, Starbucks apologizes for no reason. |
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Re: Typo correctionRe: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 03:54:44 2018, in response to Re: Typo correctionRe: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Apr 14 22:25:50 2018. That’s true but in this case there is probably another side to the story that is less about racism and more about private property. It could be also that it’s true that Starbucks is in the wrong. Can’t really tell with one side of the story being told.Not for nothing but if I got to take a leak and the sign says for customers only, I’ll buy the cheapest thing they have so I can use the bathroom. Or I’ll go find a bathroom someplace else even if it’s behind the store LOL |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 03:56:44 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Apr 14 22:22:44 2018. They did tell those guys to leave. Evidently the Starbucks employees told them to leave as well. I realize people think that Starbucks is like a public library but it’s not |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 04:02:56 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 03:56:44 2018. "[A] Starbucks official acknowledged that the incident is at odds with what many people have done at a Starbucks without drawing suspicion or calls to police. The stores are “community” hubs, the official said, where people often drop in to use the WiFi or chat with friends without necessarily ordering anything..."https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/14/starbucks-apologizes-after-employee-calls-police-on-black-men-waiting-at-a-table/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4be650d418d0 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 04:02:57 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 03:56:44 2018. "[A] Starbucks official acknowledged that the incident is at odds with what many people have done at a Starbucks without drawing suspicion or calls to police. The stores are “community” hubs, the official said, where people often drop in to use the WiFi or chat with friends without necessarily ordering anything..."https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/14/starbucks-apologizes-after-employee-calls-police-on-black-men-waiting-at-a-table/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4be650d418d0 |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 04:04:26 2018, in response to 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 03:19:27 2018. "[A] Starbucks official acknowledged that the incident is at odds with what many people have done at a Starbucks without drawing suspicion or calls to police. The stores are “community” hubs, the official said, where people often drop in to use the WiFi or chat with friends without necessarily ordering anything..."https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/14/starbucks-apologizes-after-employee-calls-police-on-black-men-waiting-at-a-table/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4be650d418d0 |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 04:34:09 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 04:04:26 2018. Well that guys an idiot. Talk about leaving the door open for a bunch of freeloaders to take up seats that paying customers could have.The article also says that they leave such matters up to local managers because areas vary. Some Starbucks do have a combination lock on the restroom doors, usually in sketchy areas. The article also says that those guys were there to discuss business investment with the third guy who showed up later. A couple of business investors don’t know that you buy a cuppa coffee when you go to Starbucks And not just sit there? |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 15 04:45:17 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 04:34:09 2018. This does look like a private property thing, unevenly enforced. The manager doesn't want people to hang out without ordering anything. But he sounds like he's selective in whom he asks to leave. |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 04:49:51 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by AlM on Sun Apr 15 04:45:17 2018. I agree if the double standard is applied then local management is definitely wrong |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 04:59:30 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 04:34:09 2018. But even though I think the guys an idiot, He did state what amounts to company policy |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Apr 15 05:11:58 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 14 23:00:57 2018. you are clueless |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:48:27 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 04:04:26 2018. When will you guys stop being black men, and just be referred to as men? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:55:49 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Apr 15 05:11:58 2018. Well, that's like you telling a dentist "bullshit" when he posts sonething about root canals. |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Apr 15 09:20:15 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by AlM on Sun Apr 15 04:45:17 2018. Of course you are sure that those who hang out without making a purchase are also "equally divided". |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Apr 15 09:23:40 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:48:27 2018. Interesting point |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 15 09:31:36 2018, in response to 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 12:12:38 2018. Told three times to leave and they didn’t move...Hanging out in an establishment with no intention to actually patronize it... Yeah, you did jump the gun and it wasn’t the whole story. Good job! |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Apr 15 09:35:50 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 15 09:31:36 2018. IAWTP |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 09:52:49 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 15 09:31:36 2018. The only source for that "told three times to leave" item is the police. Eyewitnesses at the Starbucks during this incident didn't say any such thing. In fact, one woman said, in the presence of the police, that she';d been there two hours without buying anything.It's only "jumping the gun" when it doesn't fit your agenda. |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 09:56:21 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 09:52:49 2018. Why were the police called if they weren't asked you leave first? |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:00:10 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 09:56:21 2018. Racial profiling. Again, several white patrons said the men were singled out, and noted that a white woman was given the bathroom access code without buying anything. Another white woman remarked that she'd been there two hours without ordering anything,. Why weren't the police called for them? They were "trespassing", too.The CEO of Starbucks himself said the entire incident was not in keeping with the way his company does things. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 15 10:25:52 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:00:10 2018. No, they were not “trespassing.” |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:39:10 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 15 10:25:52 2018. Why weren't they "trespassing"? They were doing EXACTLY what the Black men were doing--being in the store without ordering anything.Don't you find it a bit ludicrous that white patrons are allowed to piss before buying coffee, or lounge around waiting for their friends to join them, but NOT these young Black men? Is there a posted time limit on ordering items at Starbucks? What prompted the barista to call the police, even though numerous (white) eyewitnesses said the men were doing nothing wrong? Why were the white women permitted to remain in the store without ordering anything if that constitutes "trespassing" for Black patrons? These are all very valid questions. |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 15 10:45:52 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 09:52:49 2018. then she should have been removed two, the difference is she probably didn’t try to use the bathroom without making a purchase, drawing attention to herself.Or she, you know, could have lied. People do that, you know. |
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Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:53:14 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 15 10:45:52 2018. she, you know, could have lied.Stop grasping at straws. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 15 10:57:50 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:39:10 2018. Were the white patrons told to leave? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:10:12 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:39:10 2018. Did the Black patrons get denied the bathroom code also? I didn't see anything about them being denied access to the bathroom also.Otherwise I don't know what the woman asking to go to the bathroom has to do with this. |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:12:02 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:48:27 2018. Looks like they want to be judged by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:12:43 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 10:53:14 2018. He's not grasping at straws at all. It's very possible, the baristas didn't even know if she purchased something, or was about to purchase something before using the bathroom. And it's also possible she didn't make a fuss. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:14:12 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 15 09:31:36 2018. Yeah, you did jump the gun and it wasn’t the whole story.As usual. Just like the state of "journalism" these days. And thanks to the leftists, the actual freedom of the press is being eroded—look at what they're doing to the conservative viewpoint on Twitter particularly. |
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Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing) |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 11:14:33 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:48:27 2018. When white people decide to treat black people like people? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:17:18 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:12:02 2018. Unfortunately, while not always, there are times that its a self fulfilling prophecy. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:17:33 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:10:12 2018. I posted a detailed eyewitness account, elsewhere in this thread, more than once, which describes how the Black patrons were refused access to the bathroom because they hadn't ordered yet, but the white woman, who also hadn't ordered anything, was allowed to use the restroom. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:17:59 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 11:14:33 2018. Yes of course, because all white people do such. Mr I-don't-make-generalizations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:20:00 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:17:33 2018. Oh yes, Lauren. And we know for fact that "this woman" she is talking about exists? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:20:01 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 15 10:57:50 2018. No, and my question is, why weren't they asked to leave? What special rules applied to them, that obviously didn't apply to the Black men? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:21:33 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:20:00 2018. You're grasping at straws. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Apr 15 11:22:08 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 11:14:33 2018. You know that you are white people too.! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:22:39 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 15 09:56:21 2018. He won't say. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:23:21 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:20:00 2018. .....and of course we know for sure that she knows exactly what this "other woman" did. Was "Lauren" there the whole time "this woman" was there, and know she never bought a thing? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Apr 15 11:23:30 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:20:00 2018. And we also know that "this white woman" is honest with no political agenda. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 15 11:26:12 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:20:01 2018. They were white, obviously. But they weren’t trespassing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:28:02 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:20:01 2018. So "Lauren" knows that the other people never bought anything? She kept an eye on them the whole time she was there, and knew what they did before she got there, and then just happened to know a play by play for these "other patrons" when this issue came up? I'm glad she was paying attention to the every move of other customers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:28:11 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:17:18 2018. I have to use MLK's words there. Those same type of people are the ones that get all happy when Public Enemy's By The Time I Get To Arizona plays on the radio (the rap about plotting to assassinate AZ governor Evan Mecham for canceling MLK Day as a paid holiday for state employees in that state—the opposite of the kind of "content of character" MLK referred to, and it used to be in the distant past such a thing would get you a visit from the FBI). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:28:13 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 15 11:21:33 2018. Im afraid you are. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:29:53 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Apr 15 11:23:30 2018. ...not to mention that she knew exactly what all the other customers were doing the whole time they were there too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:34:02 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Loitering and refusing to leave., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 11:10:12 2018. Don't capitalize "black"—that's what black nationalists/supremacists do. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 11:46:19 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:55:49 2018. Or an oncologist, when he posts something about cancer. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 12:12:31 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:48:27 2018. Good question. When will people stop treating them differently because they’re black? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 15 12:32:04 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men arrested in Philly Sbux for refusing to leave after denied restroom access (bought nothing), posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 12:12:31 2018. PWN3D! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Apr 15 12:40:02 2018, in response to Re: 2 Men Arrested In Philly Sbux For Waiting While Black, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 15 06:55:49 2018. bullshit |
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