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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 13:49:36 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 13:38:26 2015. Just so SMAZ opposes vehicle-mounted heat-seeking missiles, he's A-OK be me! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 7 13:52:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 13:38:26 2015. I don't know his stand on hand-held rocket launchers, but he probably supports those too.Rocket launchers are useless for self-defense because the damage they cause is arbitrary and indiscriminate rather than being specifically targeted upon the offending party. No different than hand grenades. As such, their purpose is purely of a military nature and outside the scope of the Second Amendment. If somebody wants to operate RPGs or anti-tank weapons, they should join the Army. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 13:57:36 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 7 13:52:01 2015. I know homeowners who would blow up deer eating their shrubbery, if they had hand grenades. Pennsylvania seems good for that. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 13:58:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 13:48:32 2015. This isn't Canada but the populations are very similar. No one can explain why Canada's measures wouldn't help here, gradually. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:01:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 7 13:52:01 2015. Rocket launchers are useless for self-defense because the damage they cause is arbitrary and indiscriminate rather than being specifically targeted upon the offending party.If you are being attacked by a military under the control of a President who has illegally declared martial law, a rocket launcher or antitank gun would be very helpful. So I applaud your restraint! |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:02:59 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:01:01 2015. You haven't addressed deer eating your shrubbery, as I have. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 7 14:06:49 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 13:48:32 2015. Obama's definition of "keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them" is keeping them out of everyone's hands but the executive branch and military (never mind criminals). |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 7 14:21:18 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 7 11:53:26 2015. If SCOTUS unanimously concluded that the right of privacy protected an individual's right to possess and view pornography (including pornography that might be the basis for a criminal prosecution against its manufacturer or distributor) in his own home, what makes you think it won't apply privacy rights to gun ownership records? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:21:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:02:59 2015. A machine gun should be fine for that purpose. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:24:26 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 7 14:21:18 2015. Not a second amendment issue, is it?So I would expect the answer would be the same as for motor vehicles. The usual claim is that I don't want people to know I own a gun because they might try to burglarize me to steal it. Well, ditto, they might try to break into my garage if they knew I had a Jaguar. If I have one right to privacy I probably also have the other. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:29:06 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:21:21 2015. I think the neighbors would understand a carefully placed grenade. A machine gun? I've fired those. Too much time to setup, too much chance of getting a few neighbors and many cats. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:30:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:24:26 2015. You have to get past the issue of registration first. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 7 14:38:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:29:06 2015. Not to mention the pain of changing hot gun barrels.I'll stick with white phosphorus barrel bombs. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:42:35 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 7 14:38:39 2015. Better buy top quality splash guards. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:45:51 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:30:20 2015. The Supreme Court continues to let stand laws that require gun registration. I doubt that will change unless President Cruz gets to replace 2 retiring justices. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Dec 7 14:48:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Dec 7 13:03:39 2015. Bump |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:54:38 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 14:45:51 2015. Handguns. Getting the laws to register all the long guns will be a whole other beast. Enforcing them is another.And aren't almost all handguns laws local? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 15:11:04 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 14:54:38 2015. Are we talking Constitutional or practical issues here?If the latter, I agree. If the former, I see no impediment to anything other than a complete ban on any wide range of standard guns that aren't semi-automatic. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 15:17:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 15:11:04 2015. guns that aren't semi-automaticI think you mean that ARE fully automatic. But the I believe California Terrorists found a way to make the semi-automatics (as AR-15s are) fully automatic. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 15:23:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 15:17:21 2015. No, I don't think the Supreme Court would necessarily overturn a blanket ban on semi-automatic guns.By "not semi-automatic", I didn't mean automatic. I meant regular one-shot-at-a-time guns. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 15:27:43 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 15:23:58 2015. A "regular" one-shot-at-a-time gun? You mean a gun where you have to pull back the slide or bolt for every shot? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 7 15:58:25 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 7 12:28:01 2015. I'll give you an excellent post.Manhattan mini storage is running a print ad stereotyping gays as liking musicals The ad features a gay interracial couple. A menorah is prominently displayed. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Dec 7 16:13:10 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 7 15:58:25 2015. And you've played right into their hands by posting about them here. Congratulations. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 7 16:17:00 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Dec 7 16:13:10 2015. How so? I ride the subway and see the ads. I'm going to see Sisters just to see the insane feminazi propaganda.Why didn't anyone thread about Lori Berenson. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 7 16:38:05 2015, in response to Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 7 11:26:34 2015. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 7 17:28:10 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 7 16:38:05 2015. Only if you don't wipe the tip. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 7 17:30:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 7 16:38:05 2015. I really can't wait for directed energy weapon proliferation. Then people will say "never bring a projectile weapon to a directed energy weapon fight." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 7 17:32:29 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 7 16:17:00 2015. Not Mary Palmer's sisters?Nobody cares about Berenson because she isn't Joanne Chesimard. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 7 18:45:50 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 13:10:26 2015. Hobbies can be costly. Pay to play. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 7 18:47:52 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 7 13:21:39 2015. Confiscation is accomplished through a mandate. Buybacks are voluntary. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 7 18:59:38 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 7 13:27:39 2015. Only in your head. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 7 19:01:04 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 7 13:04:42 2015. No, that was last year. It could be well over 300 by now. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 7 19:41:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 7 13:27:39 2015. W1n |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 8 08:52:50 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 7 18:45:50 2015. And they do. That's my point. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Dec 8 09:52:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 7 13:58:39 2015. ... and they never will. Because it's easier to pretend BingBong is calling for seizure of all firearms and argue that strawman until she argues for it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 10:06:07 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 8 08:52:50 2015. There's no reason for deadly weapons to be "affordable". In fact, they should be heavily taxed for the costs they bring to everyone. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 10:11:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by WillD on Tue Dec 8 09:52:20 2015. Which I won't being that I do not think that's wise either. Especially in rural areas. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 11:00:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 10:06:07 2015. How do you propose to tax criminals? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 11:10:14 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 11:00:17 2015. When someone goes to buy a gun, they should pay additional taxes beyond simple sales tax on the purchase. Point is to make guns expensive. Even a gun runner would be paying these, like someone buying "legally" (actually sham transactions) in places like Virginia to bring into NY. Point here is that a far more expensive gun purchase outlay would mean they could buy and transport fewer to begin with. We're seeking to reduce sheer numbers here. If guns were heavily taxed and exorbitantly expensive, much fewer would be bought and trafficked.Criminals steal guns from "legitimate" owners. That's somewhat more difficult and a resolvable problem in keeping the gun locked away in a secure heavy safe when not being used. The money collected could go for enforcement and a fund for innocent victims of gun violence. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 11:21:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 11:10:14 2015. Yup, just what I thought. Disarm and or penalize the honest citizens so only criminals would have guns. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 12:06:54 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 8 11:21:58 2015. Anyone that would leave a gun in a position to be stolen is NOT a good "honest citizen". In fact, they just cost everyone more....one more crime to investigate, one more deadly weapon to track down, one more case to ajudicate, one more prisoner to incarcerate.Yes, gun buyers should pay these costs. We ouldn't have so many if there weren't so many deadly weapons all over. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:25:28 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 12:06:54 2015. The Supreme Court in Heller said that mandating that guns in the home be locked and/or unloaded was unconstitutional |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 12:32:10 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:25:28 2015. Then its perhaps time to change the Constitution in that regard. We can make gun owners pay the price they cause to all, nothing in the Constitution to stop that.We should. Anything the serves to reduce the sheer number of guns out there is a plus. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 12:35:18 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 12:32:10 2015. We can make gun owners pay the price they cause to all, nothing in the Constitution to stop that.Basic individual constitutional rights cannot be priced out of existence. It's like putting a $1000 tax on each newspaper while trying to say with a straight face that the Freedom of the Press still exists since newspapers would still be legal. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:45:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 12:32:10 2015. Elections cost a lot to run to let's make voters pay the price they cause to all and institute a high fee to vote. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 8 12:52:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 12:35:18 2015. Basic individual Constitutional rights don't absolve people of the consequences when their guns injure or kill other people, just as freedom of speech doesn't relieve you from the consequences of the things you say, write, or broadcast.I happen to agree with Bingbong here, gun owners could be charged an ownership tax that could be placed into a fund that provides medical care for those they shoot out of ignorance or error. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:57:55 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 8 12:52:34 2015. The answer in a freedom of speech case is a lawsuit, not a tax. If you are injured because of a gun owner, sue. If the person does not have the appropriate insurance then they will be personally liable for any award. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:04:50 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 12:57:55 2015. own3d |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:06:05 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 8 12:52:34 2015. I happen to agree with Bingbong hereFirst of all, bad idea. Second of all, by using the words "happen" and "here" in this context, are you implying that you don't normally agree with "Bingbong"? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 13:08:45 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 12:35:18 2015. Newspapers don't kill innocent people. In this country, we let guns into the hands of the wrong people. That characterization includes those that do not unload and lock them when not in use.The whole of society should not have to pay the cost of what these deadly weapons create. It is far too often the innocent pay the price with their lives, now more frequently than on the highways. Those that want to keep deadly weapons should pay for their "thrills". |
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