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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 04:15:49 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 04:05:25 2015. well at least i did not kill innocent people ( vietnam )it is wrong to kill |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 04:17:35 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 04:07:35 2015. Yep ... well known stuff. And if you got a "walking interview" with him, he'd stop and piss on the shrubs. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 04:18:52 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 04:11:27 2015. That may have been, but he had the juice in the house and senate at a time when politicians actually sought out "compromise." He knew how to get shit done, and he had few enemies.As to the other fucktards, yeah. :) Still got shit done. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 04:20:33 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 04:15:49 2015. And that's the point you've made all along. Most of us understand how powerful that is spiritually. Others though just want to make political hay out of it. Stop feeding them. :) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 04:33:30 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 04:20:33 2015. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 06:53:25 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 23:08:39 2015. Of course you agree! You're a draft dodger. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 07:13:36 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 03:32:10 2015. So you are admitting to violating 18 U.S.C. Section 1001(a) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 07:19:58 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 07:13:36 2015. So call the FBI, scheisster.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 07:22:20 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 06:53:25 2015. 9/10 sure you would have used a deferment if you were in his shoes at the time. Just a hunch.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 07:28:30 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 01:46:22 2015. Unlike Maliki, our occupation outlasted Karzai. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 07:35:35 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Tue May 26 16:26:22 2015. Remember his "Georgia Mafia" of advisers that even fellow Democrats wanted him to dump; instead he doubled down.Lots of Presidents have their own preferences for advisers. As long as the advisers aren't corrupt or have major conflicts of interest, that's not a sign of dishonesty. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 07:38:33 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 07:22:20 2015. The difference is deferments are legal. If he accidentally didn't notify of a change of address then the burden would have been on the government to prove scienter if he is located as Salaam's website says. Salaam knowingly lied about his name and address |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 07:43:51 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 03:25:26 2015. A writer (probably a humor writer) pointed out years ago that despite his clumsiness, he was pretty tough - he recovered from both with nary a blink. :-) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 08:05:22 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 07:38:33 2015. The difference is deferments are legal.What's the difference between legal draft-dodging versus illegal draft-dodging? They're both draft-dodging. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 08:21:03 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 07:38:33 2015. That's not my point, which is that if Dave were in the same position, he would likely* have dodged the draft as well, but have used his economic position to use a legal loophole to do so. Poor Americans didn't have deferments to avoid combat so they made do the best they could.I see posts where stones are thrown like this quite often, but never by an actual combat veteran. It's always some rock-thrower who got a safe passage. your pal, Fred *based on posting history and gut feeling. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 09:15:56 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 08:21:03 2015. Amen |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:35:16 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 01:25:50 2015. If not for the Vietnam blemish, he would have been up with TR and Truman in a Top Seven of the best we ever had. He would have also gotten a second full term to do more great things.I imagine you're referring to his civil rights policy as one of the top "great things." Surely you realize that, at the time, Johnson was credited (or blamed, depending) for trying to rewrite the old argument "guns OR butter" to "guns AND butter," meaning that a war could be waged with minimal upset to the civilian population. Part of that was to propose large domestic initiatives like "The Great Society" and aggressive civil rights legislation. So the question is: "Was his civil rights emphasis heartfelt, or an attempt to distract attention from his war?" |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:38:06 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Wed May 27 02:32:14 2015. The only reason to go into the country at all was to capture Osama bin LadenWhat a fantasy to think that Islamic Extremism would have died with the capture or death of one man. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:40:31 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 00:59:54 2015. Sounds like an idea for a joint Arab State: Palestine + Levantine. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:41:53 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 01:07:11 2015. That sounds like the Democrat's fantasy of Carter.Then why did he only narrowly beat Ford? |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:43:38 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 07:35:35 2015. It demonstrated his singular lack of respect for critics, even of his own party, while the U.S. was in a deteriorating situation. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 09:43:57 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:35:16 2015. His civil rights agenda was JFK's civil rights agenda and it was heartfelt.He was a leader on civil rights even when in the Senate. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 09:51:59 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:41:53 2015. Because Ford had some of the same attributes as Carter.Likable, hardworking, honest and moderate and without the dirty baggage of his two predecessors. That's what America wanted in that point in our history. They'd had enough of the highly capable but lying, cheating, crooked and cynical leaders that had pre-dated Ford. Those two guys gave us Vietnam and Watergate. If anybody was gonna beat a clean, likable Democrat in 1976, it was Ford. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 09:59:17 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:43:38 2015. That's still not a sign of dishonesty. He wasn't obliged to listen to everything his critics said. It might have meant he ended up following an incorrect course of action, but that's not the same thing. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:31:02 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 23:04:04 2015. I registered with SSS while Stumpy did not. I followed the law while he broke it. Tell me again how we did the exact same thing? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:38:14 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 08:21:03 2015. You'd be wrong, Fred. I had discussed it with my folks and if drafted, I was going to ask to serve in the Air Force because that's where my Dad served. The only deferment I would have asked for was to delay entry until I finished whatever school year I was in during college.My family has a tradition of military service. That's why one nephew is active duty Army (helicopter pilot), another nephew is Army ROTC at college, and my brother is in the Army Reserve. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 27 10:43:39 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:38:14 2015. if drafted, I was going to ask to serve in the Air Force because that's where my Dad served.If drafted, you would have served in the Army unless you had influence. And I don't think your father's service alone would have been sufficient influence. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 27 10:48:45 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:38:14 2015. I was going to ask to serve in the Air Force...Good call. That's why one nephew is active duty Army (helicopter pilot), another nephew is Army ROTC at college, and my brother is in the Army Reserve. That's a shame. As I have stated time and again the U.S. Army is the lesser if not the least of the uniformed military services. Said institution ranks just above and by just I mean barely the U.S. Coast Guard and even that is up for debate. More than once the U.S. Army has begged the Coast Guards of any number of allied nations and their 57 mm cannon to come over and rescue its units from quote situations unquote. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 11:00:14 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Wed May 27 10:43:39 2015. True, but it couldn't hurt to ask. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 27 11:02:28 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 11:00:14 2015. There's the old joke about the guy who had "Fuck the Army" tattooed on his arm so it would show every time he saluted. So they drafted him into the Navy. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 11:18:38 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:38:14 2015. Woulda shoulda coulda.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 11:20:52 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:31:02 2015. I followed the law while he broke it. Tell me again how we did the exact same thing?"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 11:22:49 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 27 10:48:45 2015. the U.S. Coast GuardThe Coast Guard was my second choice. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 11:25:46 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:38:14 2015. My family has a tradition of military service. That's why one nephew is active duty Army (helicopter pilot), another nephew is Army ROTC at college, and my brother is in the Army Reserve.Make sure to tell them that you fulfilled your role by criticizing the choices of people like Salaam on a message board. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 27 11:28:50 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 11:20:52 2015. People do tend to forget the implications of that quote. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:17:21 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 06:53:25 2015. i did not dodge the draft i refused to register |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:18:13 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 08:21:03 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:19:15 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Fred G on Wed May 27 11:18:38 2015. LOLROFL |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:19:59 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 11:25:46 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:21:37 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:31:02 2015. zzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:36:34 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:21:37 2015. Sleeping your life away. Par for the course with you, Stumpy. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:36:56 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Wed May 27 11:02:28 2015. LOL! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:39:22 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 11:25:46 2015. And you don't criticize people who break the law, SMAZ? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:42:04 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:17:21 2015. Refusing to register = draft dodging.From Dictionary.com: draft dodger noun 1. a person who evades or attempts to evade compulsory military service. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:47:19 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:36:34 2015. shut up davey from texasssit seems that god does not like texasss now |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 13:49:32 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:17:21 2015. You posted earlier that you committed a separate felony in violation of 18 U.S.C. §1001(a) by giving a different name and address. Did you refuse to register or did you lie on your registration? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:50:21 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:42:04 2015. so what ? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:51:49 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 13:49:32 2015. i lied on my registration because my father INSISTED that i register !so i got out of it and was PARDONED later 1974 |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 13:58:56 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:51:49 2015. So in trying to commit one felony you committed a second one. I thought the pardon was just for those who did not register for Selective Service or did not notify of an address change? I didn't realize it covered those who registered under false name and/or address |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 14:01:04 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Wed May 27 13:58:56 2015. we were all pardoned in 1974 and another date in the 1970s by jimmy carter |
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