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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 16:54:08 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 15:08:01 2015. Tell that to Salaam, he made the post back in 2004. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 16:54:52 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 15:16:55 2015. Well, what about it, Salaam? Told you your lies would catch up with you. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 17:24:55 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by cortelyounext on Thu May 28 16:49:22 2015. nice drumline cortelyounext |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 17:25:07 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 16:54:08 2015. zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 17:25:18 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 16:54:52 2015. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 17:49:44 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 17:25:07 2015. The sleep of the ignorant. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 18:07:25 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 11:50:34 2015. they were deferred (1-S) so long as they were successfully working full-time on their Bachelor's. Typically that meant until age 23 or so.and can you not agree that the make-up of that category of people is disproportionately middle-class and above and the poor, blacks and kids of immigrants are underrepresented. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 18:08:08 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 16:33:06 2015. I don't, but I'm assuming that they are just for the "who cares" aspect of it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 18:09:13 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:08:48 2015. What are the number among draftees?That's what we're talking here. A great percentage of military personnel, even then, was made up of volunteers. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 19:45:34 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 18:09:13 2015. Are you arguing that the career soldiers were so overwhelming white, that a presumably huge influx of drafted blacks simply brought the black casualty numbers up to 12.5%? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 20:03:13 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 18:07:25 2015. So why do the casualties in Vietnam not reflect your prejudgements? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:20:02 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 07:46:08 2015. The issue is registering with SSS, as required by law.I figured you'd take the absurd legalistic approach where every law, no matter how poorly written or unenforceable, must be obeyed to the letter. That's why I added these terms and conditions to my previous post: This post is provided for information, entertainment, and argument purposes. Nilet Railroad Company will make every effort to ensure its accuracy but cannot be held liable for errors. This post is presented as part of a structured argument, meaning the following rules apply: (1) Any replies must contain a complete verbatim copy of these terms and conditions, (2) All persons replying to this post must have a SubChat handle which is (a) not their real name or any variation thereof OR (b) does not begin with a consonant OR (c) does not end with a vowel OR (d) contains greater than or equal to five letters. (3) Persons who do not have an eligible handle may obtain a new handle OR may post replies as long as said reply begins with the phrase: "I DO NOT HAVE AN ELIGIBLE HANDLE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2 OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE." You did not post a verbatim copy of those terms in your post, nor did you make the necessary provisions regarding eligible handles. Accessing a website in a manner that violates the posted terms of service is a federal crime under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. So congratulations. You are now just as much of a criminal as Salaam is. Salaam was a felon and I was not. You were not, but you are now. The issue is not who chose to go to Vietnam or not go. Now that you are just as much a felon as Salaam, the only issue remaining is choosing to fight in Vietnam. Salaam chose not to. You chose not to, yet you hypocritically belittle Salaam for making the same choice. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:24:17 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by cortelyounext on Thu May 28 08:07:10 2015. I'd hate to disappoint! The Dave fell into my trap— now he's forced to either admit I was right, accept that he's a hypocrite, or abandon logic entirely which is basically an admission of losing.As for the Bill Brooklyn— he's already admitted defeat by abandoning logic. His once-almighty army has crumbled, leaving only scattered resistance unable to penetrate the barrier of the List of Questions Bill Brooklyn Can't Answer. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 20:24:37 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 17:49:44 2015. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 20:24:59 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:24:17 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 20:25:42 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:20:02 2015. IAWTPand a hypocrite |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:34:21 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:17:21 2015. CO status is not something you can just claim; you have to apply for it, and the army can decide you don't qualify for any reason.If he had registered, applied for CO status, and was rejected, what should he have done then? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:34:24 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:18:05 2015. From your article:Today, the two main criteria for classification as a conscientious objector are that the objector must be opposed to war in any form, and the objection must be sincere. A 1971 United States Supreme Court decision, Gillette v. United States, broadened U.S. rules beyond religious belief but denied the inclusion of objections to specific wars as grounds for conscientious objection. I wouldn't qualify as a conscientious objector, because I believe war is at least morally tolerable under very limited conditions (if you are invaded, you can fight back the invader; if another country declares war against you without provocation, you can fight them). When Salaam came of draft age, I wouldn't have qualified simply because I'm not religious. So CO status is not a legitimate alternative to refusing to register for the draft. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:34:29 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:26:30 2015. And for all of Dave's hypocritical yammering, he has not offered a valid alternative. If he thinks you shouldn't have broken registration laws, what should you have done instead? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 20:43:55 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 18:09:13 2015. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. I can't find that breakdown by race. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 20:44:35 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 18:09:13 2015. 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 20:54:17 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:20:02 2015. Please check in with the authorities. Somewhere, a village is missing its idiot. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 21:21:10 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:34:21 2015. GOOD QUESTION !!!! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 21:21:56 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 20:34:29 2015. GOOD QUESTION !!!!!!! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 28 21:52:29 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 20:54:17 2015. Do you REALLY think that the village wants him back? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 22:00:43 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 28 21:52:29 2015. Hmmm...good point! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 22:21:09 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 22:00:43 2015. ?????????????????????????????????????? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:45:57 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 22:21:09 2015. I pwned Dave by proving him a hypocrite. Dave realised I was right, but he isn't mature enough to admit it, so he posted a childish insult and then ran away to have another circle jerk with his fellow mental defectives and whine about what a big meanie I am for being right and proving him wrong. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:46:06 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 20:54:17 2015. Please check in with the authorities.You're the one who just committed a federal crime. 1 A And there we have it! Nilet PWNS Dave by a logic breakdown! I will inform c-rtely-unext. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 22:47:05 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:45:57 2015. IAWTPyep ! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 22:47:20 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:46:06 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:47:55 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by cortelyounext on Thu May 28 08:07:10 2015. The bout is concluded. Dave was unable to rebut my argument, and so resorted to childish insults and running away. I remain the undisputed holder of the champeenship. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:49:00 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 20:25:42 2015. Mind you, I don't think Dave ever actually believed the nonsense he was spewing about registration— but it was still fun to set the trap, watch him fall into it, and pwn him utterly and absolutely. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 22:49:35 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Thu May 28 22:49:00 2015. you got it nilet !IAWTP |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 23:38:21 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 20:03:13 2015. Career people and volunteers.People like me that like that shit. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 23:41:09 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 19:45:34 2015. Career people tend to come from the middle class.back then a very small % of blacks were in the middle class. It must figure that the number of dead blacks is higher than it would have been had the draft been fairer. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 28 23:44:11 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 20:43:55 2015. Very good.from there it's what I said to SLRT in the other post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:21:15 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Wed May 27 09:38:06 2015. And the mess that is Afghanistan is going to end Islamic extremism?I never said anything about Islamic extremism ending with Osama bin Laden. I thought it was basic common sense that a high-profile criminal should be arrested despite this not bringing a permanent end to the type of crime he committed or the circumstances that motivated him to commit it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri May 29 01:04:38 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:13:41 2015. You could have registered as a conscientious objector; done an alternative service;You mean the kind of legal means that are only accessible to those with the wherewithal and connections to use those means. Hence the Anatole France quote. When certain legal avenues are not designed for certain social classes of people, the only alternative those people have to fight clear injustices and immoral initiatives is the tool of civil disobedience. That's what Salaam did. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 29 04:39:31 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Fri May 29 01:04:38 2015. thats right !!!!IAWTP |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:53:32 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Fri May 29 01:04:38 2015. Mind you, the army (and everything else in the country) would still be segregated by law if it weren't for a bunch of "criminals" who had no intention to obey laws that were immoral and thus invalid.So unless Dave wants to say that Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and the millions of other people who fought for civil rights are all "criminals" then he's a hypocrite about that as well. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 29 04:57:09 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:53:32 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:58:00 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 14:24:32 2015. What does that have to do with anything? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:58:42 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 14:10:20 2015. You're just as much a felon as he is, Stubby. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 29 05:03:11 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:58:42 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 29 05:03:22 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:58:00 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri May 29 05:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:53:32 2015. Mind you, the army (and everything else in the country) would still be segregated by law if it weren't for a bunch of "criminals" who had no intention to obey laws that were immoral and thus invalid.While not disagreeing with the post in general, there are times when one great individual can make a positive difference when put in a situation to do so. In 1919, a young former artillery captain returned home from WW1. To his dismay and deep anger, he saw that black men who had served their country in combat with great distinction and had tasted a bit of liberty in France came back only to be LYNCHED for the simple act of wearing the uniform of the US Army and most often it was those who had NEVER served who committed such acts because you can't just allow such uppity niggers to run amok and feel like they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, our young captain was a nobody and there was nothing he could do about these crimes. 29 years later he learned of accounts that those sorry incidents were repeating themselves with returning black WW2 veterans. This time the former artillery captain COULD do something about it. On July 26 1948, Harry S Truman put his entire political career on the line and issued Executive Order 9981. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 29 05:29:27 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SMAZ on Fri May 29 05:15:08 2015. what does this have to do with vietnam ? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri May 29 06:44:11 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 29 05:29:27 2015. It has to do with the history of discrimination in this country and why things were still the way they were in the 60's. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 29 07:06:09 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:58:42 2015. How's that, troll? |
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