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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:26:42 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Wed May 27 11:28:50 2015. Except the quote had nothing to do with Dave's or Salaam's financial situation. One person complied and took his chances. One person consciously avoided having to take his chances.As I said in a different post, of the many people of my generation I know who didn't serve, only ONE actually stood up and resisted (CO). However, Salaam is the only one I know of who simply didn't register. Conversely, I had many Army buddies who thought they had an "out," but they turned out to be wrong. Obviously. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:31:15 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:47:19 2015. it seems that god does not like texasss nowAl Sharpton's point. Similarly, when Florida was hit by a series of hurricanes not all that long ago (but pre-Katrina) Progressives happily noted that "Red" counties were hit harder than "Blue" counties. Supposed scientific progressives should be embarrassed. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:31:57 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:26:42 2015. I don't defend Salaam, but people with more money DID have far more effective ways to avoid serving in Vietnam.I avoided serving in the military, among other reasons, because by the time I got out of college I had a high lottery number. If my family hadn't had the money to allow me to go to college, I might have been drafted directly after high school, before there was a lottery. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:35:46 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:31:15 2015. Al Sharpton's point. Similarly, when Florida was hit by a series of hurricanes not all that long ago (but pre-Katrina) Progressives happily noted that "Red" counties were hit harder than "Blue" counties.No one ever said Ologic was restricted to right wingers. :) |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:42:34 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:31:57 2015. You bought your ticket and you took your chances.I can tell you for quite a fact that there were quite a lot of middle class-plus people (and even a very well-to-do CPA) who ended up drafted.The "poor and black" picture of the Vietnam era Army is a self-righteous leftist fantasy. And a lot of poorer guys escaped by going to state colleges for low tuition and/or scholarships and in New York, City College, for free. In college some of them (I also know personally) kept their deferments despite being bolos, because there were professors who wouldn't flunk a jerk because the prof was afraid he would be giving the "poor kid" a ticket to Vietnam. Instead he gave some other kid a ticket to Vietnam. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:46:36 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:42:34 2015. There were only two legal "sure-fire" ways (that I know of) to be safe from being drafted (or avoid being retained if you were drafted) that didn't involved a great deal of effort (other than shooting off your toe):Get married or claim homosexuality. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:48:38 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:42:34 2015. The "poor and black" picture of the Vietnam era Army is a self-righteous leftist fantasy.Again, claiming the military was exclusively poor and black was a fantasy. Claiming it was disproprotionately so was not. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:51:25 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:48:38 2015. Again, claiming the military was exclusively poor and black was a fantasy. Claiming it was disproprotionately so was not.You have any statistics to back that up? How disproportionately is enough to make that a claim that justifies the self-righteousness of avoiders? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 11:04:20 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:51:25 2015. College is and was disproprotionately attended by the middle class. Surely you don't deny that. College students were exempt from the draft.It's that simple. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 11:15:58 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:07:25 2015. I must have missed that. Wow, that's worse than not registering! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:26:30 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 07:46:08 2015. The issue IS who chose to go to Vietnam or not go. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:27:00 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 11:15:58 2015. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:28:08 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 10:31:57 2015. well |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:29:41 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 28 10:02:15 2015. at that time i was living in his house 1970-71 |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:30:55 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 28 08:12:33 2015. ?????how come i was not ARRESTED 1971 lol rofl |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 11:42:54 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:31:15 2015. What progressives said that? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 11:50:34 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 11:04:20 2015. College is and was disproprotionately attended by the middle class. Surely you don't deny that. College students were exempt from the draft.It's that simple. That's the "Well, Everybody Knows" argument. Even Wikipedia doesn't accept that. College students were not exempt from the draft, they were deferred (1-S) so long as they were successfully working full-time on their Bachelor's. Typically that meant until age 23 or so. That left them exposed until age 26 and, legally, until age 35 if the SSS wanted to pursue it. But let's leave that aside. Are you including Black people in your calculations? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 11:52:20 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 11:42:54 2015. Oh, I have to name names. Read your leftist websites at the time of the Hurricane.And are you denying what Sharpton just said? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 11:56:14 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 11:42:54 2015. Actually, with a moderate amount of work one could probably demonstrate correlation between voting Republican and being susceptible to hurricanes and tornadoes.With a lot of work one might even be able to demonstrate causation, by invoking factors like the patterns of migration in the US since 1950, and the reduced cost of electricity and air conditioning. It would be much harder to demonstrate that all of this is God's doing, though. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:08:48 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 11:50:34 2015. 88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races. 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there. 70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent. 86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races. 14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks. 34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms. Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population. http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 28 12:08:56 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:30:55 2015. Because they could not locate you due to the bogus name and address. Plus they would have had to prove that you knowingly did this which I doubt you'd cop to in 1971. Much like trying to prove a case against someone who did not notify them of a change in address except yours was worse because you filed a knowingly false document as opposed to "accidentally" forgetting to notify |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:09:43 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 28 12:08:56 2015. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:13:41 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 11:26:30 2015. You could have registered as a conscientious objector; done an alternative service; and not gone to Vietnam. Instead you took the cowards route by lying about your name and address. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 12:40:11 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 11:56:14 2015. And... you have to specify which god... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 12:54:06 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 11:52:20 2015. What are my leftist websites?I don’t know what Sharpton just said. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 12:54:58 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 11:56:14 2015. But the issue is whether any so-called “progressives” actually believe that right wingers earned natural disasters in some way. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 28 12:59:00 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:13:41 2015. You didn't face the same Vietnam War that he did. They stopped sending troops there in 1973. It was pretty much over when you registered IINM.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 13:09:26 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:08:48 2015. Thank you. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:02:47 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by mtk52983 on Thu May 28 12:08:56 2015. too badi got out of having to kill rob and rape innocent people |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:02:58 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:09:43 2015. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:08:18 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 12:13:41 2015. bullshit again i was prepared to face jail time if i had tolol rofl |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:15:50 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 13:09:26 2015. YW. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:17:21 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:08:18 2015. What bullshit? You never heard of CO status? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:18:05 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:08:18 2015. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:28:00 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:17:21 2015. you did not go to vietnam ! so whats the point ? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:29:04 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:18:05 2015. okWhat To Do If You Don't Want To Be Drafted These are your options if you don't want to be drafted: Don't register. Don't tell Selective Service your new address when you move. Get lucky in the draft lottery. Don't show up for induction. Show up and flunk the physical. Show up and refuse induction. Convince the draft board that you're a conscientious objector, and do alternative service. Convince the draft board that you qualify for some other deferment (most people don't). Leave the country, or hide, for the rest of your life. Organize now against the draft The surest way not to be drafted is to prevent the draft entirely. This leaflet explains how you can help protect yourself from the draft by joining in the resistance to the draft and wars. Slave Labor Is Illegal. Resist Draft Registration. Will There Be A Draft? With the U.S. at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters won't be able to meet their quotas forever. With American soldiers dying every day in foreign wars and occupations, people don't want to enlist no matter how desperate they are for a job. Even if the fighting stops soon, U.S. troops will probably stay in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Gulf for years. If Army recruits have to spend a year sitting in the desert in a hostile country, who's going to volunteer next year ... or the year after? Members of Congress are already talking about bringing back the draft -- but they're afraid of draft resistance. Who Will Be Drafted? The first people to get drafted will probably be doctors, nurses, and other health care workers (both men and women). The military was short of health care workers even before the current wars began, and as the bodies pile up Congress may authorize a "Doctor Draft" of medical professionals. Selective Service has contingency plans for a Health Care Personnel Delivery System to draft men and women ages 20 through 44 who are doctors, nurses, technicians, therapists, or other medical professionals. (One way for such people not to be drafted -- unless they are also young men eligible for the general draft -- is to give up their medical or professional licenses. But they'll have to do it before they are drafted. Unless you're already thinking about a career change, that's not much of a choice.) For more on the health workers draft, see www.MedicalDraft.info. If there is a draft for cannon fodder, men who registered for the draft (if you didn't register, you won't be drafted) and who turn 20 this year would be called up first. In 2012, men born in 1992 would be drafted first. It would be up to Congress, when it decides to reinstate authority for inductions, to decide whether or not to include women. If you get drafted, you'll get a letter giving you ten days to report for a pre-induction medical exam. If you show up, pass the physical, and submit to induction, they'll put you on a bus to basic training the same day. What Will Happen To Me? We can't give you any guarantees. There is a lot you can do to keep from being drafted, but luck plays a big role. The government can always violate its own policies or invent new ones. You have to weigh the uncertain legal risks of resisting the draft, against the very clear hazards of submitting to the draft -- the choices aren't easy. If the Vietnam War draft is a guide, the odds favor people who resist. Most of the people who resisted illegally -- especially those who never registered -- were never caught. They weren't drafted, they didn't go to prison, and they were never even charged in court. Even of the 210,000 men who were formally accused of violating the draft laws, only 4,000 went to prison. Another 5,000 got probation, and 41,000 avoided prosecution by submitting to induction. The rest -- more than 75% -- were either never caught, never went to trial, won in court, or flunked their induction physicals! What If I Didn't Register? You're not alone. Over a million men have refused to register since 1980, and millions more have violated the draft laws in other ways. Only 20 nonregistrants were prosecuted, none since 1986! Between 5-10% of the 19 and 20-year-olds who would be called first have never registered, according to government data. Most of them will never be caught, even if there's a draft. If you decide to resist registration or induction, you'll probably get warning letters from Selective Service. These letters are usually junk mail, and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for ignoring them. In 2004, for example, the SS forwarded 162,000 names and addresses of suspected nonregistrants to the Justice Department. None of them were investigated or prosecuted. It's been like that every year since 1986. The dangerous letters are Certified or Registered letters (letters you have to sign for). Don't sign for any letter from Selective Service or the Justice Department. Your signature is evidence that you know you are supposed to register or appear for induction. Refuse to accept the letter, and see a draft counselor or lawyer immediately. Even if you are caught, there's a good chance you won't be prosecuted. The courts are already overwhelmed by the war on drugs; the government could only afford to prosecute a few token or outspoken draft resisters. Most people who are caught will be able to avoid prosecution by registering and submitting to the draft. Even the vocal public nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s were allowed to register without penalty up until the day they went on trial. Some will choose to go to trial, and a few may not get that "last chance" to register. A criminal record is no laughing matter, but many draft resisters imprisoned during the Vietnam War, as well as some of the 20 nonregistrants prosecuted in the early 1980s, now hold professional jobs in business, in academia, and with non-governmental organizations. Most are proud of what they did and would do it again. Besides, is life in a minimum-security prison any worse than life in the Army? Some of us who have been there think not. But What If I Already Registered? If Selective Service doesn't know where you live, they might never find you. They admit their computers have the wrong addresses for about 10% of the men who registered, and the real figure is probably a lot higher -- 50% or more. So, again, you're not alone. If you don't tell Selective Service where you live, or if you ignore an induction notice, the same legal risks we talked about for nonregistrants would apply. In order to prosecute you, they would have to prove that you actually knew you were breaking the law. That will be very difficult without proof that you got their notices. So if they finally found you, you could probably avoid prosecution by submitting to the draft at that point. You should think about what you want your parents (or whoever lives at the address you gave when you registered) to do if the government comes looking for you. If you want to resist the draft and your parents support you, they can help by sending back, unopened, any mail for you from Selective Service. You can help yourself by doing the same thing. It's a crime to lie to Selective Service or the FBI, but you have the right to remain silent. When they say, "Anything you say will be used against you," they mean it. Your family doesn't have to accept mail for you, or tell the Feds where you live or anything else about you. What If I Refuse To Go? If you ignore your induction notice, and they find you, you'll almost certainly be given another chance to cooperate. Selective Services records are so inaccurate that tens of thousands of people will never receive their induction notices. Selective Service will probably assume you're one of them. If you get a draft notice, show up, and refuse induction, you'll probably be prosecuted. However, some people will slip through the cracks in the system, and some will win in court. If you show up and take the physical, there's a good chance that you'll flunk. (If you have a medical problem that would make it hard for you to be a soldier, you should see a draft counselor and a doctor now and get documentation of your condition.) But if you pass, you'll really be stuck. Those who get that far and then refuse induction will be much easier to find and convict than those who don't show up at all. If you pass the physical and then don't want to go, tell the soldiers who are ordering you around that you are refusing to be inducted. Remember: once you submit to induction, you'll be under military law, which is much harsher than civilian law. Don't take that step. Can I Go To Canada? Maybe, but you can't count on it. So far, Canada has refused to grant sanctuary to U.S. military resisters. Like other countries, Canada has its own unemployment and economic problems, and doesn't welcome unskilled young Americans. If your asylum claim is denied, and you don't meet the qualifications for Canadian immigration, you'd be deported back to the U.S. Health care workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. workers might be more welcome, though licensing might present a problem. If you have or can get citizenship in another country, if you're familiar with the language and culture, if you think you'd like to live there for the rest of your life, and if you have resources to get there and establish yourself, then emigration might make sense. If you leave the U.S. after you get an induction notice, you risk prosecution if you ever come back. What About Deferments? To get a deferment you must register, notify Selective Service whenever you move, and then apply for a deferment within a few days of receiving your induction notice. By applying for a deferment, you admit you received the induction notice, which will make it harder to wean in court if you later decide to refuse induction. If you're opposed to all war you might qualify as a conscientious objector, although you'd still have to do alternative service. There are several other deferments, but very few people will qualify for them. (Students are not exempt from the draft or likely to be deferred.) If you plan to try for a deferment, you should talk to a draft counselor now. Once draft notices go out, there won't be enough time or enough draft counselors. Why Break The Law? People resist the draft for many reasons. If you're healthy and can't qualify as a conscientious objector, breaking the law is probably the only way you can avoid being drafted. The most useful thing you can do today to keep from being drafted is to organize against the draft! Members of Congress are worried about the domestic unrest a draft will provoke -- and if the price looks too high, they won't dare try to draft you or anybody else. If enough of us resist now, no one will be drafted. www.resisters.info |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:49:43 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:29:04 2015. You never explained to us why you were under house arrest back in 2004. Did it have anything to do with your not registering for the draft? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:56:33 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:49:43 2015. wtf are you yammering about now ? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 28 15:05:16 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 14:56:33 2015. You posted this on Yahoo back in 2004.Salaam Allah by Salaam Wahid Allah ( salaamallah [at] hotmail.com ) Saturday Aug 14th, 2004 5:07 PM I WAS CONTACTED BY THE FBI THIS WEEK LOS ANGELES FIELD OFFICE 1050 LAKES DRIVE SUITE 350 WEST COVINA CALIFORNIA 91790 BERNARD ZAVALA SPECIAL AGENT 1 626 919 3434 PHONE NUMBER ASK WHY IS IT THE FBI WANTS TO TALK TO SALAAM ALLAH AGE 55 USA BORN BLACK MAN IN PASADENA CA 91103 I WILL TAKE YOUR PHONE CALL I AM ALREADY SUFFERING ENOUGH BEING ON HOUSE ARREST AND CHARGED BY THE CITY OF PASADENA WE WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT A LAWYER ! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Railroad... §all ready under arrest! by cell block C Saturday Aug 14th, 2004 5:24 PM what the hell did you do to get the FBI after you? house arrest not enough for u? well don't worry we will keep a place for you §salaamallah by salaamallah ( salaamallah [at] hotmail.com ) Monday Aug 16th, 2004 7:12 PM i did not do nothing i am awating a trial date falsely accused !! get that straignt first ok ? now what iths fbi crap is about i do not know ! AND I REFUSE TO TALK WITH THEM IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER PERIOD ! ok wise guy give me some intellegent advice and stop your biased judgement of me first ! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 15:08:01 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 14:49:43 2015. 1. The Pasadena Police don't put people under house arrest. That posting you show is a metaphor, a lie, an analogy, or something else other than fact.2. It can't. He was pardoned. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 15:09:31 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Dave on Thu May 28 15:05:16 2015. nice photobucket fraud |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 15:09:58 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by AlM on Thu May 28 15:08:01 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 15:10:45 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 12:54:58 2015. Houston Chronicle:http://www.chron.com/houston/article/Al-Sharpton-suggests-Texas-floods-were-God-s-6292041.php Al Sharpton: Callers believe Texas floods were God's punishment Dylan Baddour, Houston Chronicle | May 28, 2015 | Updated: May 28, 2015 1:23pm Sharpton said callers into his radio show opined that severe weather across the planet was the result of a generation that's lost its morals. Sharpton said he believed it was caused by climate change. Why did the heavens drown parts of Texas with their watery wrath? The Reverend Al Sharpton said some of his followers suggested it's a punishment from God—that "we've done it to ourselves." On his syndicated radio show "Keepin' It Real," Sharpton said Tuesday that many of his callers interpreted the Texas downpours that swamped cities across the state this week, flooding homes and killing at least 13, as divine rebuke. "Some people said that they felt that the world had lost its morals, that homosexuality and same-sex marriage, which I support, caused it," Sharpton said in an interview. "Many called and said they thought that was absurd, that it was science. My position is that science is right." Of course, devastating floods have a sure Biblical ring. But for many it also fits the picture of Climate Change. While scientists remain unsure of the precise consequences of humanity's past centuries putting greenhouse gasses in the air, almost all of them agree it will lead to change. Were the Texas storms a manifestation of that change? Texas' state climatologist told the Texas Tribune it seemed likely. Others call it standard severe weather in long term cycles, strengthened by an exceptional El Niño (then again, published research predicts a changing climate will bring stronger El Niños more frequently). Sharpton said that after callers made the suggestion, his producer posted a tweet encouraging others to weight in Tuesday during the show: #KeepingItReal QOTD: Do you think the #TexasFlooding is related to climate control or God's rebuke?Call 8775325797 or tweet me your thoughts — Reverend Al Sharpton (@TheRevAl) May 27, 2015 That tweet prompted a lengthy list of angry replies. Sharpton said he believes the storms are prompted by climate change, which he considers different from divine rebuke. "I think that God created nature and nature cannot be offset by human behavior," he said. "I do believe that we live with the results of some bad decisions we make in terms of how we treat the earth, but I don't believe that's God's rebuke." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 15:16:55 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 15:09:31 2015. Did he post here as well in 2004: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/07/26/16902001.php?show_comments=1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 15:19:31 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 15:16:55 2015. And I made sure to put that in the Wayback machine as well so you can’t revise history like your buddy Elijah Muhammad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 15:23:22 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 15:10:45 2015. Thank you.Just like Pat Robertson and Olog-hai, but from the left. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 15:42:55 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 10:31:15 2015. Al Sharpton's point.But several posts down you make it clear this is NOT Al Sharpton's point. It is the point of random people who call in to his radio show. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 28 15:43:25 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by SLRT on Thu May 28 15:10:45 2015. Sharpton said he believes the storms are prompted by climate change, which he considers different from divine rebuke.Ok your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 28 16:33:06 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 15:23:22 2015. How do you know that the Sharpton callers who said it was a rebuke from the Lord are leftists?Luch listens to Sharpton's show, after all. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu May 28 16:49:22 2015, in response to Re: Remembering a buddy from high school who died in Vietnam, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 28 15:09:58 2015. Here |
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