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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:48:21 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:33:10 2014. Yes, it absolutely is true. Falsely yelling fire in a theater is not protected speech. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:49:26 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:47:32 2014. I always knew it was illegal to yell fire in a theater. That wasn't the point. I said the danger it causes is similar. It's irrelevant if it's "free speech" or not. I never brought up "free speech". I never claimed one was not allowed to yell "kill the cops". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:49:37 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:34:45 2014. No, it isn't. The facts here almost exactly match Brandenburg. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 22 15:50:06 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:48:04 2014. lots of white anarchists.when i heard about the 2x shooting on Saturday I thought white guy because he committed suicide, something you don't expect a brother to do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:50:18 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:48:21 2014. Never claimed it was. I said the danger it caused is similar to the kill the cops chant. Fred brought up free speech, not me. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Dec 22 15:54:57 2014, in response to "Pigs in a blanket; fry 'em like bacon"? (2 cops shot), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 22 15:38:12 2014. A**HOLE M/F'S. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:55:06 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:50:18 2014. You just said "that is not true." Make up your mind. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:58:54 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:49:26 2014. You said "it's akin to yelling 'fire' in a movie theater." Since you did not qualify that statement in any way, the only reasonable implication is that you believe that it is similar and therefore not protected speech. Now that it's been explained to you, you're walking back on and qualifying your statement (you're bingbonging). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:06:10 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:55:06 2014. It's not a fact that "if it was just as dangerous as yelling fire it would not be protected free speech".There's nothing contradictory in that at all. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:07:52 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 15:58:54 2014. Yes, I absolutely said it was akin to that. And I explained numerous times that I said it was "just as dangerous". I even explained how. Numerous time. The "free speech" thing was a side argument brought up by fred, and not at all even implied in my original statement."the only reasonable implication is that you believe that it is similar and therefore not protected speech" is an ASSUMPTION by YOU. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 16:07:58 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:06:10 2014. It is a fact. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:07:58 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:37:28 2014. I hope that JayZee is getting carried away in the emotion of the events. I know him to be far more even keeled than he seems here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:08:28 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 16:07:58 2014. No it's not. There's plenty of legal things that are dangerous. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 16:09:30 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:07:52 2014. It's not an assumption. Either it's like yelling fire in a theater or it's protected speech. It can't be both. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 16:10:19 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:08:28 2014. Not as dangerous as falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:10:48 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:07:58 2014. As we all.I actually like JayZee. But his statements here do imply someone much more radical. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:12:02 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 16:10:19 2014. Not necessarily at all. It's actually quite dangerous. All you need is a few nuts, and the message these mobs are sending reaches exponentially more people than the amount of people that are in a theater. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:13:16 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 14:53:23 2014. I take serious exception and offense to your characterization of Howard University, one of America's pre-eminent Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU's, as a "joke"). This outstanding educational institution, formed out of the need to educate former slaves and their progeny, lists among its distinguished alumni (in addition to Dinkins) such figures as SCOTUS trailblazer Thurgood Marshall, presidential adviser Vernon Jordan, and Nobel laureate Toni Morrison. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:13:34 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 16:09:30 2014. I never claimed it's both. I said it was akin (and explained I meant as dangerous many times) to yelling fire in a theater. The protected speech thing was a side argument by Fred, who brought it up meaning the people had every right to chant kill the cops. I agreed they had every right. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 22 16:14:07 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:13:16 2014. Yes, that's why it was formed. What it has turned into is another topic. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:16:35 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:10:48 2014. He's certainly far more engaging and moderate in person |
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#handsup; Black Democrat shoots 2 cops... |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Dec 22 16:17:24 2014, in response to 2 COPS SHOT, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Dec 20 17:16:49 2014. tells bystanders to watch.Subject corrected. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 22 16:17:26 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 16:10:48 2014. JayZeeBMT lost his mind when he moved to NJ. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:18:00 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:13:16 2014. Sorry but its a racist institution and has no place in a free society |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 22 16:18:45 2014, in response to #handsup; Black Democrat shoots 2 cops..., posted by orange blossom special on Mon Dec 22 16:17:24 2014. this is nothing compared to things to come. nothing. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:19:22 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 22 16:17:26 2014. I seriously doubt that. Even if he's drinking the water it wouldn't have that effect. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:26:55 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:07:58 2014. I'm not getting "carried away", not at all. I do believe, from firsthand experience, that there are too many cops out there who have deep-seated bigotries against the people of color they're assigned to deal with. It's manifestly evident that Pantaleo, who was the subject of numerous IAB complaints (and a couple of lawsuits) falls into this category. The issue of fact--whether Pantaleo should be criminally culpable for his actions--is for a trial jury to decide, and he should have had hos day in court. The police must be just as accountable for things like prisoners who die in their custody, as you or I are for obeying all the laws of the day.Yes, it is a very emotional issue for me, too. I cannot fathom or accept how the grand jury in the Garner case (we're unlikely to ever know the whole truth of the Ferguson case, but it does seem overwhelmingly clear to me that Wilson's account of the incident is seriously deficient and suspicious) saw the same video we all did, yet still failed to indict. People who couldn't possibly have committed crimes they're accused of, get indicted all the time, because it's a prosecutor's forum. It strains credulity to think Donovan couldn't have indicted Pantaleo, given the quality of the state's evidence. You cannot understand, for lack of experience, the way people of color must comport themselves in everyday life. Racial profiling, by the police, merchants, and educators, is real, pervasive, and getting worse. (See the Macy's and Barney's 'Shopping while Black' cases, to begin with.) As long as people of color are 21 times more likely to be stopped by the police in the course of their normal activities, and eight times more likely to die in police custody, there is, and remains, a severe issue with American criminal justice. THIW. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 22 16:27:01 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 22 15:44:15 2014. Maybe the mobs are getting tired of black kids getting killed and the cops getting off without any punishment? If black cops were killing white kids who were unarmed, out of proportion to any other race of kids, on top of random stop-and-frisks that's been going on for years of otherwise law-abiding citizens, wouldn't you as a group start to feel picked on? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 22 16:31:21 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by WayneJay on Sat Dec 20 18:28:44 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 22 16:34:33 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 22 16:27:01 2014. The facts in the Ferguson case indicate the cop was justified.But you element sees being able to steal and assault a cop as a civil right and form of racial bonding. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 22 16:35:13 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:26:55 2014. Reform starts with parents teaching their kids not to act the fool and respect other people and their property. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 22 16:39:36 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 22 01:40:43 2014. October 2006NJT college free week. Trenton New Jersey Riverline ring any bells Adam? |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 22 16:41:33 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 22 01:40:21 2014. You aren't making logical deductions, you are making shit up outright. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 22 16:47:03 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 20 22:49:44 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:50:15 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 16:18:00 2014. Please spell out how Howard is, in fact, a "racist institution". |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 22 16:51:22 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 22 01:39:30 2014. Everything you said before is a lie because you know everything you said is inncorect. You know Brown was a thug and you know Garner was a criminal, nether of whom does not deserve the level of attention they are getting.But you must obey your masters, and protest those who's job it is to defend you from the people who are trying to KILL YOU. And since you are too blind to see it, the cops gave you a hard time because you looked like a scraggly, unkempt, crazy homeless person. I have a near photographic memory, I remember nearly every time I saw you in person. Those finger nails of yours were about a millimeter short of needing to be registered as weapons. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Dec 22 17:15:57 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 10:05:51 2014. Racial bias...lol If the races were reversed my feeling wouldn't change. Forensics back up the officer's version as a possibility of what happened not that the officers version definitely happened. He could have turned around to surrender got shot and started stumbling forward, a couple of witnesses also said he was walking forward with his hands up as in I give up you got me. I don't know for sure I wasn't there but the point is there's enough reasonable doubt in the story and the actions after.the shooting as I explained in my prev post that if the prosecutor would have tried he would have easily gotten an indictment if he wanted to. it's fairly obvious to me he didn't want an indictment so he didn't try at all to get one. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Dec 22 17:18:09 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 20 18:22:31 2014. We did. They ignored us.You were the responsible parents, they were the ignorant children. Children ignore parents, there are consequences. Here's the thing. Those 60 individuals were part of the protest in the sense they were marching alongside the rest of you. No matter their anger, deeply felt or not so much, what they chanted was despicable and deplorable. Beyond that, it was unconscionable to any reasonable human being and has no place in our society. You would never say anything like that, Nathan, nor would any of us. On the other hand, those who remain silent are part and parcel if not equally culpable. For those that defend that act as freedom of speech, to me borderline "hate speech", that does not mean the rest have to stand idly by and meekly accept it. Our perfection as human beings is our imperfection; that is, our ability to overcome obstacles and adversity by whatever means necessary. I was not there, you were. Can you state those means? Did a handful simply tell the 60 to stop and leave it at that? Did any of you approach the police and apologize for the action of "the few?" Did you consider writing an article stating the reasons for your protest while at the same time clearly and unequivocally denouncing the "Kill the Cops" protestors who saw to it to join your crusade? I was not there, you were. I cannot sit here and tell you exactly what I would have done in your situation but I'd like to think my efforts would have been forceful and purposeful. E Pluribus Unum. You have led marches, researched and reported on critical issues, spoke in front of masses, passionately advocated on behalf of your causes and those without a voice. You as much as anyone can make a difference. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:24:24 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 16:50:15 2014. Undergraduate Students:92.7% Black 1.1% white Faculty: 73.2% Black 7.1% white In a nation where the black population is 12% of the whole, that certainly does not portray a picture of racial diversity http://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/howard-university/student-life/diversity/ Sorry but it is what it is. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Dec 22 17:24:56 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 22 02:32:52 2014. Or he was falling when he was shot. The point is there's enough reasonable doubt in this case for there to have been an indictment if the prosecutor want it. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 22 17:25:49 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 15:20:42 2014. nope !lol |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 17:29:43 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:24:24 2014. No, it's not "diverse" at all; but Howard, again, is a HBCU. I would expect to find its student body and faculty to be overwhelmingly black.Now, if Howard University is "racist" because of this, what does that say about Bob Jones University's overwhelmingly white student body? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:30:40 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Dec 22 17:15:57 2014. You have not presented compelling facts. You have presented a flimsy alternate theory of the events that support your racial biases. The officer told his story. The forensic evidence supports it. The standard for the grand jury is not reasonable doubt. It's a far lower standard of proof and even at that level, the grand jury voted "No True Bill". That's the system. Don't like it, go to Russia. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:33:23 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 17:29:43 2014. I don't know. What would you say? I never mentioned Bob Jones University nor do I approve of it. I don't defend any racism on or off college campuses. Apparently you find some racism to be okay. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:33:53 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 22 17:25:49 2014. How do you spell Dinkins, then? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:35:44 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Dec 22 17:24:56 2014. There is enough doubt. The question is whether other than in your mind, was it reasonable?Two cops are now dead in response to Michael brown and eric garner. Is the score even yet? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 17:36:02 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:33:23 2014. It says that many, many white parents don't want to send their kids to an HBCU, no matter how acclaimed its curriculum is, nor how successful its graduates become. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:39:15 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 22 17:36:02 2014. Red Herrings again? How does Bob Jones or Bob Smith or Bob White university being mostly white prove that Howard University is not racist in its admissions and in its faculty hiring? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 22 17:40:01 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:33:53 2014. Dinkins ?lol |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 22 17:41:03 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 22 17:35:44 2014. wtf ? |
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