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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:23:28 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 18:44:25 2014. Or in other words, we should pass single payer.Medicare for all! |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:23:38 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Oct 30 19:48:34 2014. ... see for yourself all the people in Canada that didn't have to die while they were on long waiting list.What people? I haven't needed health care in Canada, nor have I had a medical emergency; just a chronic condition I can't afford to treat (but could in Canada). I also have a minor condition that occurs from time to time, occasionally requiring a non-urgent non-emergency appointment to remedy it. In America, getting such an appointment takes about a week and cost $40. Meanwhile, when I had the same condition in Italy, I got a house call on the same day and it would have cost $0 if I'd been from a country that provides health care to visiting Italians. If Canadian health care is even half as good as Italian health care, it'd be amazing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 30 20:45:00 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Oct 30 20:09:56 2014. If I had a quadrillion dollars, I would spend all of my money before I bought your crappy movie. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 20:46:12 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:23:28 2014. Yeah, that would work. And the private insurers could sell add on plans, dental and vision plans that would be worth a damn. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Oct 30 20:49:08 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 30 20:45:00 2014. You're closed minded. |
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Posted by NILET on Thu Oct 30 21:06:35 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 30 20:45:00 2014. If you had a quadrillion dollars, the economy would be destroyed by hyperinflation. :( |
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Posted by NILET on Thu Oct 30 21:07:22 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 20:46:12 2014. Why not just add decent vision and dental coverage to the single payer plan? Are your eyes and teeth not part of your body? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 21:09:23 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:22:25 2014. Which, in the case of Untied Hellcare, IS a picture of a steaming pile of shit. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 21:35:43 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by NILET on Thu Oct 30 21:07:22 2014. It's called the spirit of compromise. Plus it would keep some people in healthcare insurance employed, which would be a little less disruptive economically. Medicare as it exists doesn't cover 100% of everything, they sell "Medigap" plans to cover that. I don't see any reason that would need to change. Medicaid already covers both for the poorest, so they can access those services as needed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 21:45:41 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 21:35:43 2014. But only if the states go along, and so far, too many in the worst shape have NOT. :( |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Oct 30 22:01:43 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 19:53:27 2014. You are overrating the paperwork aspect. My father runs a successful solo practice with my mother as his only staff. Your solution would do nothing for them. Many doctors just have lazy or incompetent staff. My father does take some ACA plans - the ones with better reimbursement rates. Having a practice in a working class neighborhood taking ACA plans is useful |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 22:07:59 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Oct 30 22:01:43 2014. What would make the most sense would be a bonus reimbursement rate for small practitioners since the economy of scale for large groups is a completely different thing. There, paperwork restrictions are their biggest issue based on the sheer volume. Is your dad a PCP or a specialist? The smaller practitioners do the best work and generally have better outcomes than groups and they should be rewarded for the better care. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Oct 30 22:41:59 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 22:07:59 2014. PCP |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 22:51:52 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Oct 30 22:41:59 2014. They're the general contractors of the industry, and should be paid better given that they have to coordinate everything else. Just so you know, we get it. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 23:08:05 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 21:35:43 2014. Why do we need to "compromise" other people's health? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 23:29:25 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 23:08:05 2014. Because it's one fifth of the economy. Change is needed, but we do need to be pragmatic about it. Every new doctor comes with their own mortgage, it's the only way to get through medical school to residency where one begins to make a little money. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 31 00:29:17 2014, in response to Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 30 07:46:57 2014. That's going to make it a little harder to keep your doctor if you like your doctor. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 31 02:37:47 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 23:29:25 2014. Health insurance is a fifth of the economy? I doubt that.The doctors get paid either way. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Oct 31 04:03:15 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 31 02:37:47 2014. Yes it is. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Oct 31 04:41:34 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 30 23:29:25 2014. Wow...good post. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Fri Oct 31 06:13:32 2014, in response to Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 30 07:46:57 2014. I hope Obumma is happy we told you so, but his blind followers would not listen. Good I hope it totally blows up. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Oct 31 06:22:13 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by busdude2 on Fri Oct 31 06:13:32 2014. ACA was modeled after something the republicans came up with in the 1990s. By no means is it Democratic in origins. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Fri Oct 31 07:06:30 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by bingbong on Fri Oct 31 06:22:13 2014. Funny since the democrats are the ones thatushed it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Fri Oct 31 07:07:45 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Fri Oct 31 07:06:30 2014. That pushed |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Oct 31 07:14:55 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Fri Oct 31 07:06:30 2014. The Democratic plan was topahse in a pulic option by age, descending from 65, over a few years, of Medicare access for all, for a premium, and let the markets shift and redesign their products to be compatible. THAT would have worked, brought down prices and expanded and equalized care. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Oct 31 07:24:29 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 31 02:37:47 2014. Health insurance is a fifth of the economy?Not quite but close. Here's the scorecard. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 31 08:25:37 2014, in response to Re: Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Oct 31 07:24:29 2014. That's health expenditure, as in total money spent on health care. Much of that would remain in place if we switched to single payer— it can save a lot of money, but health care will always be costly. |
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