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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 15:34:24 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Oct 25 15:24:57 2014. No. Everybody should care. But they should also understand that there are far larger categories of illegal voters.Here's what this survey found: We find that some non-citizens vote. Our best guess is that it's 1/40th of a percent of all voters, but we can't be sure because we don't have enough data. We don't know how many citizens vote illegally because we didn't ask that question. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Sat Oct 25 16:28:13 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 15:34:24 2014. They also found the non-citizen voters might have been the reason Franken won is race. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 16:31:16 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Dand124 on Sat Oct 25 16:28:13 2014. Except they didn't bother to estimate how many citizens voted illegally. That far larger number could have easily overwhelmed whatever margin the 1/40th of a percent or so non-citizens gave to Franken.So all in all we have some fairly useless results, except maybe to show that non-citizen voters are a way lesser problem than legal voters prevented from voting by ID laws. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Oct 25 16:48:21 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 16:31:16 2014. That's about the size of it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 25 16:50:16 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 25 12:26:26 2014. Anyone mentions people voting that shouldn't be voting....and first thing hard leftists say is something yo lessen it. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 16:59:58 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 25 16:50:16 2014. Because it's true. Citizens voting illegally and legal voters being prevented from voting by ID laws are both far bigger problems than non-citizens voting. Anyone who only wants to address the non-citizens through ID laws is deliberately trying to skew the vote. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 17:02:47 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 16:59:58 2014. Now who would want to do that? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 17:18:18 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 25 12:29:38 2014. You don't like Stephen Harper for one reason, and one reason only, he's a Conservative. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 17:20:49 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 25 12:25:42 2014. NO AMNESTY! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 17:22:41 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 17:18:18 2014. Do you agree with Harper that American ships can't use the Northwest Passage without Canadian permission? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 17:24:04 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 17:22:41 2014. Elaborate. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 17:29:25 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 17:24:04 2014. The Northwest Passage goes from the Atlantic to the Arctic above Alaska. Closed to American ships or not? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 18:14:54 2014, in response to Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by DANd124 on Fri Oct 24 23:13:58 2014. Of course they can and probably will— the Supreme Court ruled that anyone can buy an election, so you can be certain that a lot of Chinese money will be involved in this one. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 18:14:55 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 24 23:37:39 2014. You've got it totally backwards. Stuffing the ballot box with extra votes is risky and inefficient— we simply spend money telling citizens to vote for our preferred candidates. Americans are so wonderfully malleable— a few little TV spots and we can control every election from 60 miles outside the country.If a particular election turns out to be important and the ads aren't working, we can always just make sure one of our agents counts the votes but that's never happened thus far. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 18:14:57 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by bingbong on Sat Oct 25 12:16:30 2014. If the Democrats were interested in doing good for Americans and preserving and expanding our rights, it wouldn't be so crucial to keep them away from power. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 18:32:27 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 17:29:25 2014. OK, do you have any links to substantiate your claim? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 18:49:01 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 17:20:49 2014. They won't realize that it's the end of the USA with that. Until it affects them personally, that is. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 18:56:55 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 18:49:01 2014. Was it the end of the country when Reagan granted amnesty? Just asking, since AFAIK, the country still seems to be here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:10:29 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 18:56:55 2014. False comparison. Never mind Obama hinting that he wants to do it by executive fiat, which is not legal, for five times the number and with no jobs ensuing.Are you trying to out-Nilet Nilet or something? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 25 19:11:52 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 18:56:55 2014. And that too was a mistake. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 19:12:48 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 19:10:29 2014. No, exact comparison. You're out of cards. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 25 19:39:13 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 18:56:55 2014. So then you are working on the premise that nothing has changed in 28 years? Aside from that there are 3 major differences between what Reagan did and what Obama is trying to do.1) Only illegal immigrants who were in the country prior to 1983 were eligible. 2) Only 2.7 Million immigrants were involved, not the 11 or 12 currently here. 3) Reagan did it with the approval of congress, not with a cell phone and a pen. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 20:12:20 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 25 19:39:13 2014. Under Obama,1) Only illegal immigrants who were here prior to a current date would be eligible. 2) While there are more illegals here now than then, the US population and economy are also larger. 3) Obama has proposed doing it with the approval of Congress. He has not granted amnesty with his pen. So, no substantive difference. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 25 20:19:19 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 17:22:41 2014. He probably agrees with him wanting to ship the oil to China too. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Oct 25 20:28:50 2014, in response to Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by DANd124 on Fri Oct 24 23:13:58 2014. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 25 20:31:31 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 18:14:54 2014. In fact, ever since Nixon ... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 25 20:36:09 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Oct 25 18:32:27 2014. Shortly after being congratulated by George W. Bush for his victory, Harper rebuked U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins for criticizing the Conservatives' plans to assert Canada's sovereignty over the Arctic Ocean waters with armed forces.[150] |
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Posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 22:36:44 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 20:12:20 2014. Nonsense!Under Reagan illegas had to be in the country for 4 years - under obama no such time limit. 4times as many illegals come in under obama compared to Reagan. The US population has not doubled let alone increased by 4X. Obama has demonstrated a hostility towards and a total unwillingness to work with congress. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 22:39:10 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 22:36:44 2014. Lol |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 25 22:39:31 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 25 14:00:54 2014. +1 |
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Posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 22:40:19 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 22:39:10 2014. Thank you for the white flag |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 25 23:24:38 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Oct 25 22:39:10 2014. Goebbels would be SO proud of his absorption there. :( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 23:26:36 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 22:36:44 2014. What do you want from the creeps, truth? |
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Posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 23:38:10 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 23:26:36 2014. Too much to expect, huh? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 23:54:13 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 23:38:10 2014. Well, when your philosophy is "war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, lies are truth", some things are not going to come out right in a normal discourse. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 25 23:58:29 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 23:54:13 2014. I suppose that the anticipation of the big "melt down" has me all smiles. By the behavior of some here, election night should be nothing short of stunning. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 00:54:33 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 25 23:54:13 2014. *blindsided by pure irony* |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 00:54:49 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 25 23:58:29 2014. What "melt down?" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 01:02:20 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 00:54:49 2014. He thinks there will be democrats crying in their milk when the republicans get both houses of Congress and still do nothing. Meanwhile, the damage his friends have already done to America is about to catch up with them so for anyone who's actually been paying attention away from the newspeak channel, things are about to go in the dumper and they're in the drivers seat of the short bus.Irony indeed. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 01:18:22 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 01:02:20 2014. Oh yeah, wasn't TD the one who was honestly surprised when he learned the Republicans supported mass spying or somesuch? Typical low information voter. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 02:07:23 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 01:18:22 2014. Drudge, Breitbart, what do you expect? Not only low information voter, NO information voter. You see it in his daily paces here. He can only retain two thoughts at a time at best. And even years later, he just keeps alternating between the two. Now I worked in government, it doesn't make you brain dead. I wonder what really happened there? Nah. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 02:48:19 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by train dude on Sat Oct 25 22:36:44 2014. 4times as many illegals come in under obama compared to Reagan.??? The big waves of illegal immigration were prior to George W Bush. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 02:55:56 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 02:48:19 2014. He's got a bagful of propaganda, and he's sticking to it. This is the GOP's marching theme now and doesn't require any proof. Drudge reported what Breitbart's site published that Glenn Beck posted on The Blaze and therefore it's true. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Oct 26 09:26:55 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 01:02:20 2014. Yeah. 25 European banks are unstable financially. That's gonna leave a mark. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Oct 26 09:38:28 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 02:48:19 2014. Fell off after 2008 as well, a result of the bush economic collapse. In fact, many left the country as there was no work. |
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Posted by train dude on Sun Oct 26 10:41:39 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 02:48:19 2014. 2.7 million under Reagan. 11 to 12 million under zerobama. That was my comment. Is it factual? If not provide your "facts". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 26 11:06:06 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by train dude on Sun Oct 26 10:41:39 2014. Because Obama was the very next president after Reagan. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 11:34:11 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by train dude on Sun Oct 26 10:41:39 2014. 4times as many illegals come in under obama compared to Reagan.... 2.7 million under Reagan. 11 to 12 million under zerobama. That was my comment. Is it factual? If not provide your "facts". It is not factual. Your Obama number is the number of illegal aliens in the country during the administration, not the number who entered. Your Reagan number very well might be the number in the country as well. If so, then most of the illegal aliens would have entered during the Bush/Clinton/Bush administrations. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 11:35:14 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 26 11:06:06 2014. Don't be subtle. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Sun Oct 26 12:10:24 2014, in response to Re: Could non-citizens decide the November election?, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 26 11:34:11 2014. This includes both legal and illegal immigrants but a large portion is illegal
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