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Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 30 18:26:02 2014 AFP via Yahoo News
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 30 19:23:46 2014, in response to Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 30 18:26:02 2014. "The current system, used as a model for US President Barack Obama's controversial healthcare reform, requires that every resident in the wealthy nation of eight million hold basic health insurance and offers freedom of choice among the 61 companies competing for customers." |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Sep 30 19:34:29 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 30 19:23:46 2014. Your point? |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 30 19:36:53 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Sep 30 19:34:29 2014. The Swiss have Romneycare. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 30 19:37:03 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Sep 30 19:34:29 2014. Seems simple enough ... more propaganda from Olog which backfired. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 30 20:09:37 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 30 19:23:46 2014. The current system, used as a model for US President Barack Obama's controversial healthcare reformJust because AFP lies does not mean you take it as the truth. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 30 20:10:27 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Sep 30 19:34:29 2014. What point? The AFP lied; Obamacare is not modeled after the Swiss system. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep highly regulated health insurance (SCHENGENSCHENGEN) |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 1 02:48:01 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep Obamacare-style health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 30 19:37:03 2014. Frankly, it would hardly matter if it were true. You simply cannot compare America to Switzerland— in terms of cultural maturity, the latter is working at a decent job and saving money for retirement, while the former will be growing out of diapers any day now.In Switzerland, basically everyone is required to own a gun, which they treat like a lethal weapon, keeping it safely locked away almost all the time. Meanwhile, in America, most gun owners treat their guns like substitute penes, in the sense that they consider it proof of their physical might and in the sense that they spend a lot of time "playing" with it. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep highly regulated health insurance (SCHENGENSCHENGEN) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 02:58:22 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep highly regulated health insurance (SCHENGENSCHENGEN), posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 1 02:48:01 2014. Suisse is a VERY interesting place. And it's regime of "personal responsibility and fuck everybody else" is the reason why it's managed to remain both neutral and unfucked with through how many Eurowars now? And still cash in on the dumbness? :)But no, it's also very anal there. Had friends in Basil years ago who I've lost touch with. The collective sense of humor is just too much like here. No thanks. I'll hang with the cows. They may kick, but they don't bite. Heh. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Oct 1 13:43:44 2014, in response to Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 30 18:26:02 2014. Healthcare.Gov costs have now reached $2.1 Billion taxpayer dollars. I wonder how many Americans could have had free healthcare for life on that money without fucking up the system for everyone else. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 1 14:37:56 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Train Dude on Wed Oct 1 13:43:44 2014. Ah, but Obamacare is just like the Swiss system because the libs say so. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 15:57:54 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Train Dude on Wed Oct 1 13:43:44 2014. Well ... that was Teddy Kennedy's original plan but your boys fucked it all up and wanted no part of "socialized medicine" ... so ... win. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by tRaIn dUdE on Wed Oct 1 16:20:20 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 15:57:54 2014. What the fuck does that have to do with what I posted. libertard? The website has cost taxpayers like yourself in the order of thousands of times what the website should have cost and morons like you can only look to blame Conservatives. What the fuck is wrong with you?> |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by tRaIn dUdE on Wed Oct 1 16:21:58 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 1 14:37:56 2014. Because those who still support the concept of Healthcare.gov need emergency mental health care. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 1 16:38:54 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Wed Oct 1 16:20:20 2014. Ten what we should do is....Limit ACA privledges and perqs to thos estates operating their own exchanges. In doing so, any state NOT in compliance with the law receives ZERO dollars in healthcare funding, ZERO dollars in research funding and ZERO dollars in Medicaid funding. They'll be on their own. They'll be completely unale to fill the gaps the Fedral dollars provide. Watch as jobs fly away from those places. Watch as population shifts to where medical coverage can be had affordably. This is fine with me. I'm in NY, which would grow as a result of an arrangement like that. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 17:02:19 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Wed Oct 1 16:20:20 2014. Everything, Mr. Grumps ... number one, Kennedy's original plan would have covered the uninsured. It was you who stated that would have cost less than the price of privatizing the server farm. DID YOU KNOW that there's plenty of talented people who could have been hired as employees of the government who already know how to do that stuff if only it had been budgeted by Congress?So instead, we're paying United Healthcare and VERIZON to do it. Sorry, they don't come cheap like government employees. So make a toast to smaller government and privatization, here's your bill. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 17:03:51 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Wed Oct 1 16:21:58 2014. That would be republicans. In those states where democrats handle healthcare, they don't need the federal outsource system. What you have here is the republican freeloader states. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 17:45:01 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 1 16:38:54 2014. What the fuck does that have to do with the outrageous cost of the website? That was the only point that I made in the posts that I made. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 17:48:56 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 17:02:19 2014. Again, schmuck, what does that have to do with the fucking website costing tax payers more than $2 billion more than it should have. If you are incapable of answering a simple question then sit in your corner and let the adults talk. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 17:50:45 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 17:45:01 2014. The vendors need to get paid. It's privatized. Look at the bright side, you might 401k some of them!
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 17:56:07 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 17:48:56 2014. Again, putz ... the original site was built by the idiots Romney hired to do Massachussetts. They MTA'd the thing. These guys had to come in and clean it up instead of cheapass civil servants. Your party insisted on setting it up as corporate welfare. Pay up.
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 1 17:56:16 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 17:45:01 2014. The "outrageous cost of the website" is completely the doing of a Congress that will not allow the government to hire its own people to do its own work, instead subsidizing private companies (in favor, naturally) profits with taxpayers dollars, claiming it costs less (it doesn't) and receiving substandard output as the management of these companies seek to squeeze maximum profit from the contract.That anyone doesn't see this makes me question their intelligence. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 21:35:10 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 1 17:56:16 2014. Well the way I see it, given your history here, if it makes sense to you then it has to be moronic. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 1 21:46:20 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 17:48:56 2014. Again, schmuck, what does that have to do with the fucking website costing tax payers more than $2 billion more than it should have.Because if you and your fellow conservatives hadn't been shrieking about "socialism" and allowed the adults to pass single payer, we wouldn't have needed that website in the first place, and the much simpler website we would have needed could have been built by government employees at low cost. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 1 21:49:22 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by train dude on Wed Oct 1 21:35:10 2014. LOL! As if you have any clue as to what constitutes common sense. Or functional websites, so you have no idea what the issues are here. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 21:49:38 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 1 21:46:20 2014. Stop making sense. He's never heard of medicare. :) |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 21:50:31 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by bingbong on Wed Oct 1 21:49:22 2014. If he had any idea of programming, he would have been fixing R160's. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:13:29 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 1 21:50:31 2014. And if you had any idea you would have known how to stop the train before a collision - loser. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:14:22 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 1 21:46:20 2014. Take a fucking bath, dirt-bag. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 00:34:55 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:13:29 2014. Poor angry dinosaur. Failed to keep up, failed to learn. Blame somebody else for YOUR failures, that's the republican thing ain't it? |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:43:13 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 00:34:55 2014. On the contrary, that's your M/O. That's the reason that you were not backed by the union - why they let you get fired. A fuck-up who blamed others. Then there's your failed career at the PSC. Oh wait, that was Pataki's fault, wasn't it. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 01:03:12 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:43:13 2014. Actually I don't blame Paturkey for that at all. It was Padre Cuomo who killed the Cable Commission because Saul Wachtler got more camera time than he did.I'll actually give you an answer on this one. At the Cable Commission, I reported DIRECTLY to the Chairman of the agency. I didn't have to answer to the Executive Director, nor any of the junior deputy adminiswigs because what I did there was SO crucial, and I was a political appointee, the only people I had to answer to was the Chairman and the governor on purely engineering matters related to what I was hired to do there. I could come in whenever I felt like it, do whatever the hell I wanted, and the only accountability there was for me that the money was well spent and the channel remained on air 24/7. That's it. When I asked for something, the second floor just signed off on it. When questions were raised about anything, I and I alone had to answer them. I was king of the hill and ran the place as far as the tech went and the policy makers didn't bother me at all. I got a corner office and watched TV for my paycheck because I made sure that everything worked 100% of the time. When the agency itself (NY-SCAN was just a piece of it) got abolished, it was BINGBONG that saved everybody's job by going on the TV news the night we got word and talked about Cuomo dropping bodies down the elevator shaft. The political outrage SHE created saved every ONE of those 60 jobs and so we were transferred over to the PSC. EVERY LAST ONE OF US! Bingbong did that, and she didn't even work there. So over to DPS we went. All 60 of us. DPS had been facing cutbacks of their own and they had to KEEP us when Paturkey was swinging that axe. I ended up in the Telecommunications division under Dick Stannard. For all I did in television and internet research, I reported to the Chairman and agency secretary once again there. It didn't go over well with the likes of people like you because "who are these boat people?" regarding all 60 of us. I didn't care. I completed my work on bringing FiOS and cable fiber optic standards to New York State (and the city) and once that project was completed, I got paid to sit on my ass every single day and surf the internet because DPS wasn't interested in any of that. OK ... taxpayers and ratepayers willing to pay me to sit on my ass. For people like YOU, that would be bonus. For people like me, it was boring as fuck. And so, with nothing useful to do, I bailed and saved everybody the paycheck and started a software company in the earliest days of the internet. YOU, on the other hand would have just sat there sucking the tit like a good little republican. Ask your friend about the "boat people from the cable commission" some time. I was one of those 60. I saw what passed for civil servants like yourself and wanted no part of it. Go ask ... |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 2 01:05:59 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 01:03:12 2014. Do you really think I'm going to waste 3-4 minutes of my time reading lies and crap from you? Not really interested. Got you pegged as a fuck-up and a fuck-up you shall remain. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 01:18:21 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 2 01:05:59 2014. Of course you do ... it would require some thinking and just a single phone call to that fake friend of yours from ... where was it again? Colonie? Latham?Has it ever occurred to you why both of us laugh our asses off at you on a daily basis as you show everyone here what a pathetic excuse for humanity you are? And how, based on your value of humanity being nothing more than a bank balance, we laugh at you THERE too? Life is excellent for both of us ... how's by you? :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 2 02:00:29 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 01:18:21 2014. Sounds like the lament of a true loser - Do carry on. |
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Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 02:17:00 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 2 02:00:29 2014. Nah ... just getting tired of your pathetic shit. You haven't had a new act in going on ten years now. How does THAT feel? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 02:27:03 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:43:13 2014. And as to the union ... yeah, I was 19 at the time. Made the mistake of getting involved in politics on the wrong side, working for the black people in "Rank and File" going up to the elections ... gladly supported (and helped out) Rail and Bus this last go-round too. I was a kid, didn't know about union leadership hardball. I have this thing about not letting racists win. No worries. Unlike yourself, only need to learn reality once. You're still a republican. :)And I'll fight your hateful asses every day. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 2 02:59:10 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by tRaIn dUdE on Thu Oct 2 00:14:22 2014. Grow up. |
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Posted by train dude on Thu Oct 2 10:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Swiss citizens reject single-payer and keep private health insurance (not EUEUEUEUEU), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 2 02:27:03 2014. More bullshit. You were fired because you were reckless and the union didn't back you because you blamed other members for your fuck up. As to my cooked books. If I were you I might contact the inspector General and make the charges official |
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