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Re: TerrApin Station does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 2 07:15:34 2014, in response to Re: TerrApin Station does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 1 19:38:42 2014. Lol@you! |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 07:19:10 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 1 23:30:41 2014. Maybe people are eating better? LOL! Data comes from the FBI so take it up with them. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 2 07:19:13 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 1 20:19:26 2014. You mean just like how you were certain that George Zimmerman was guilty but instead he was cleared of all charges??? LOL!! You are clueless and almost as wrong as Dan Lawrence. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 07:23:09 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 04:23:59 2014. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 07:24:19 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 04:23:32 2014. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 07:33:41 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 1 18:41:00 2014. NYS requires a certain culpable mental state in order to charge murder instead of manslaughter. |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:38:12 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 1 23:55:59 2014. Cops are still being killed by a majority of white people according too those stats. Which makes sense, since they're the ones with the personal arsenals. And the overweight part fits in perfectly too when you think about it Must be a reason those white robes are loose-fitting..... |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:52:15 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 1 23:45:21 2014. Looks pretty conclusive to me. Didn't see any mention of cardiac arrest (which occurs in100% of all deaths, BTW) in the report. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:54:34 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 06:10:06 2014. Then explain the injury to the windpipe consistent with chokehold. That doesn't happen from falling on the ground. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 08:57:06 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 07:33:41 2014. Not in the case of felony murder. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:57:13 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 1 23:52:55 2014. You're the one claiming you are NOT a cop. So what is it? |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:18:18 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 1 23:49:19 2014. And? That implies he applied pressure to his neck area. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:19:30 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 06:10:06 2014. And? He had a heart attack caused by the injuries from his being subdued. Those injuries may or may not be justified. That he was still alive when he was on the ground is irrelevant. |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:27:38 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:38:12 2014. Cops are still being killed by a majority of white people according too those stats.Math isn't your strong suit, bingbong, is it? 2009: 24 white perps 2010: 25 white perps Total: 49 white perps 2009: 17 black perps 2010: 35 black perps Total: 52 black perps Tell us again how 49 is more than 52? |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 09:29:10 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 2 07:19:13 2014. The only reason he was cleared is badly written law. The jury wanted to find him guilty but couldn't. Everyone knew he did it. |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 09:34:28 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:27:38 2014. Not enough coffee. Didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night. My bad. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:43:48 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 06:10:06 2014. The question from a legal standpoint is whether Garner would have suffered the heart attack had it not been for the takedown. It's a question of causation.There's two types of causation required for there to be civil legal liability: 1) proximate cause; and 2) cause-in-fact, also known as the "but-for" rule. For example, "but-for" the chokehold, Garner would not have suffered a heart attack and died. Proximate cause is an event sufficiently related to a legally recognizable injury to be held to be the cause of that injury. Proximate cause is confusing because usually, once the but-for rule is met you also have satisfied the proximate cause standards...usually, but not always. In other words, proximate cause is a limitation on cause-in-fact. For example: was the death foreseeable? Was it foreseeable that a chokehold will crush the larynx and result in a heart attack? If a jury says yes it was foreseeable, then the standard is met. If the jury says no, that's too remote (unlikely to happen), then there is no proximate cause and absent another theory for establishing proximate cause, no tort liability. |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:45:22 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 09:34:28 2014. I'm ready to give up on "Charbucks." I've grown tired of their barristas overcooking the beans! |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 09:50:16 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:27:38 2014. Of course the numbers are even more revealing when you realize that only 12% of the population is black. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 09:53:03 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 1 21:03:43 2014. I suspect that you'll be 0 for 3 at that point and blaming another poorly written law for another "miscarriage of justice". |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 10:06:08 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:43:48 2014. The fact that NYPD bans chokeholds probably puts some weight onto the "it was forseeable" side. |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 10:32:32 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 09:45:22 2014. That's just how I love it!! |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 10:35:15 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 06:08:56 2014. bull |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 10:35:50 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 2 06:10:06 2014. why did they continue to choke hold him then ? |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 10:36:07 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:54:34 2014. IAWTP |
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Re: The Silence doesn't know when to quit |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 2 12:59:32 2014, in response to Re: The Silence doesn't know when to quit, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 18:13:30 2014. IAWTP |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 2 13:02:50 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 20:37:45 2014. bump |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 13:08:45 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 08:54:34 2014. So, in other words, you believe that the video is a lie? You don't believe what you see? He had a heart attack. End of story. |
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Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 14:12:10 2014, in response to Re:LA times info shows that 0.03% of Blacks killed in LA since 2000 were by cops, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 10:32:32 2014. Meh. I prefer Peets. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 14:18:22 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 10:35:15 2014. Salaam, use your head for a minute for something other than a hat rack. Why would Garner keep repeating, "I can't breathe," if he wasn't already on the ground?Watch the video at the 50 second mark when Garner is on the ground speaking. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 14:21:53 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Dave on Tue Sep 2 14:18:22 2014. what a horrible video !the police caused his death here |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 14:26:48 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 14:21:53 2014. He caused his own death. He should have not resisted arrest. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 14:28:11 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 14:26:48 2014. not truethe police caused this murder |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 14:32:29 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 14:28:11 2014. You just go on believing that if it makes you happy. KKK Nazi bitches like you can't handle the truth. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 14:35:51 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 14:32:29 2014. i am not a KKK or a NAZI |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 15:59:31 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 14:35:51 2014. Who the fuck cares. You don't mind calling others here the same thing you fucking KKK Nazi coward. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 16:09:16 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 13:08:45 2014. I saw a man being brought down with a chokehold. He then struggled to breathe a bit, then expired.No chokehold, no death. Cause and effect. Must be a difficult concept to grasp. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 16:24:09 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 16:09:16 2014. No! you -> rational is a difficult concept to grasp.Try "Criminal activity -> Resisting Arrest -> Heart attack -> Death"  |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 16:33:03 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 15:59:31 2014. calling me names dose not change the fact this man was murdered by illegal police choke hold |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 16:38:01 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 16:09:16 2014. IAWTPand thats EXACTLY what happened here bingbong ! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 17:10:59 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 16:33:03 2014. Who the fuck cares. You don't mind calling others here the same thing you fucking KKK Nazi coward. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 17:37:12 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 16:24:09 2014. Chokeholds are illegal. The cop used one. The medical examiner stated the chokehold as the cause of death. Doesn't get any clearer than that. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 18:26:16 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 17:10:59 2014. are you describing yourself now ? |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 18:27:16 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 17:37:12 2014. IAWTP !thats telling him ! |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 18:51:25 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 17:37:12 2014. Actually chokeholds aren't illegal. It is a job violation in the NYPD patrol guide but nowhere in the penal law. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 21:38:16 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 18:51:25 2014. "Illegal" as in a igure of peech. They're technically banned from use. However, in this case one was used, and once again proved fatal per the medical examiner. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 22:11:24 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 18:51:25 2014. Please show me where choke holds are illegal. I certainly can show you where selling untaxed cigarettes is illegal. I can show you where resisting arrest is illegal. You show me yours and I'll show you mine. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 22:12:19 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 22:11:24 2014. sorry, that was meant for someone who doesn't understand |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 22:12:41 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 17:37:12 2014. Please show me where choke holds are illegal. I certainly can show you where selling untaxed cigarettes is illegal. I can show you where resisting arrest is illegal. You show me yours and I'll show you mine. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Sep 2 22:15:58 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 2 22:12:41 2014. None of that matters. Garner was black. Therefore, any attempt to enforce the laws he was breaking is racist. |
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