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Re: I Applaud This Couple

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:12:26 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:40:37 2014.

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Yes. I don't think he even knows about the second definition, in this context. So I'm asking why/how he knows those people are a couple w.r.t. the first definition.

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Re: I Applaud This Couple

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 12:36:53 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:11:29 2014.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 12:55:17 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:45:40 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 12:55:58 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:47:11 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 12:56:46 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:48:51 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 12:58:05 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 11:34:22 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 12:59:37 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:44:31 2014.

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lol

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 13:02:11 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:15:54 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 13:51:06 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:43:52 2014.

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I don't complain about their commentary, it's when they argue with the "professionals" about their OWN jobs is what I don't get.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 13:52:48 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:28:13 2014.

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Neither am I.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 3 14:00:39 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Sep 3 10:43:49 2014.

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Strictly speaking, chokeholds are illegal only when there is proof of intent to obstruct breathing or blood circulation but without inflicting serious injury. That's a high bar to hurdle. A bill introduced by City Council Member Rory Lancman explicitly designates chokeholds as a misdemeanor in New York City. Lancman's bill doesn't require the proof of intent, rather, it flat-out prohibits the use of chokeholds.

Lancman also introduced a bill that would lower New York City's legal standard for assault charges, reducing it from criminal intent to criminal negligence, which will allow district attorneys to bring assault charges against individuals who use chokeholds.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:03:08 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 13:51:06 2014.

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You are doing the same thing.

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Re: I Applaud This Couple

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 14:03:36 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:10:21 2014.

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Why? I have a hard time to understand why you would care.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:13:10 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:33:28 2014.

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If any of the subdivisions are there, BUT, if it can be proven that there was no intentional culpable mental state to kill another, it would be manslaughter.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:17:10 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:55:13 2014.

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As someone who has been familiar with the courts for 25 years now, LETS see that charge in real life. That's right up there with someone intentionally calling 911 and making up a bullshit charge so the police grab and search the intended target and charging them with filing a false instrument. In other words, it aint never gonna happen!!! (Political public cases are an exception)

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:18:43 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:13:10 2014.

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Except for felony murder and depraved indifference murder. In which case there need not be any intent to kill another.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:21:31 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:17:10 2014.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:24:38 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:33:31 2014.

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But then it's NOT murder! I'm talking about Murder 1 and 2 in section 125 of the PL, NOT abortion offenses, vehicular and regular manslaughter....

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:26:02 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:34:45 2014.

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They ARE dangerous. But that's NOT why the NYPD banned them from their cops using it.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:26:27 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:35:35 2014.

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Look at the video.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:26:54 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:24:38 2014.

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Yes, it is murder. Why don't you actually read the Penal Law you cite?

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:27:25 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:36:42 2014.

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Did you see the video? There was no recklessness involved.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:28:01 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:37:46 2014.

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Which was?

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:30:48 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:28:01 2014.

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Holding him forcefully and getting him onto the ground.

Not saying that the cop's actions were right or wrong, though.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:31:48 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:44:31 2014.

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No, I'm not a doctor BUT one doesn't have to be to realize that you wouldn't be able to yell like that over and over had your airways been obstructed somehow.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:32:59 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 11:34:22 2014.

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Irrelevant.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 14:34:22 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:26:54 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:40:25 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:31:48 2014.

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"The damage" does not necessarily mean that his airway would have to have been completely obstructed.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:42:18 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:32:59 2014.

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It is relevant to the post I was responding to.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:42:20 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:21:31 2014.

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Look at my last statement in parenthesis.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:43:42 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:42:20 2014.

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You failed to define "Political public cases," so I interpreted it differently than you did.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:46:13 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:18:43 2014.

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It still falls under Murder 2 and the CMS is still there where there is no intention to preserve life.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:46:56 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:26:54 2014.

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I do. A few times a week actually....

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:50:24 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:30:48 2014.

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That's what you are SUPPOSED to do to an uncooperative person who doesn't want to be cuffed.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:51:41 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:40:25 2014.

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True, But if I was a betting man, the damage was done when he was taken to the ground and they both landed forcefully.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:53:07 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:42:18 2014.

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Police and other LEOs have an escalation of force in which they can utilize when necessary.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:53:44 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:46:13 2014.

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Murder 2 is still murder.

Looks like you finally looked it up.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:54:27 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:46:56 2014.

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Looks like until now you didn't do so carefully enough, look at the appropriate sections or read for understanding.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:54:54 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:50:24 2014.

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That's what the investigation will determine.

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:55:20 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 14:51:41 2014.

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I agree.

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Re: I Applaud This Couple

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 3 17:31:31 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 14:03:36 2014.

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Even though CMM is almost always wrong, it's hard to convince him of it, and one reason is because he is often not dealing with facts. But here is a case where facts are involved, i.e. either those two people are in a relationship or they're not. I want to see how he handles such a situation.

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Re: Salaam does know what happens so he makes stuff up

Posted by The Silence on Wed Sep 3 23:55:13 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 16:38:01 2014.

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You though you were rid of me?

Video evidence trumps all the second hand stuff you keep spouting. Were you there? No, but someone else was with a camera. The show A, you say B.

Which must simply mean, you are the one who is, again, wrong.

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Re: Salaam does know what happens so he makes stuff up

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 4 04:24:03 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what happens so he makes stuff up, posted by The Silence on Wed Sep 3 23:55:13 2014.

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i am not wrong
you were not there either
so your post is totally mute and out of order

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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 05:15:45 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:54:54 2014.

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That's PD procedure coming straight out of the academy.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 05:16:24 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:54:27 2014.

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LOLOL!!!!

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 05:18:04 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:53:44 2014.

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Huh? I didn't look anything up. Unlike some people here, I don't take off-topic debates so seriously, coupled with the fact that I'm on vacation.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 4 06:58:55 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 05:16:24 2014.

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You should be laughing at yourself given your interpretation of "felony murder."

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 4 06:59:55 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 05:18:04 2014.

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So you still don't know what felony murder is. In which case, STFU until you're able to participate intelligently in a conversation.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 07:11:42 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 4 06:58:55 2014.

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Murder is M1 and M2. Everything else is a different charge.

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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 4 07:15:29 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 4 07:11:42 2014.

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LOL!

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