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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:47:53 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 05:29:04 2014. Foreseeable to whom? You obviously don't know what you're talking about. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:49:21 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 05:51:26 2014. No, you're not. You have no idea what you're talking about. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:07:11 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 05:51:26 2014. In NYS you can be charged with felony murder even if you had absolutely no intent to kill anyone. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 07:09:29 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:07:11 2014. Yes, but he seems to believe that "felony murder" is a murder which is a felony. Further shows that he doesn't put much thought into his posts, so it puts his other conclusions into question. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:13:03 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 18:51:25 2014. And why is it a job violation? Have officers been told it's dangerous? If so, using one could be construed as reckless disregard of human life. It depends on the circumstances. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:15:12 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 1 23:52:55 2014. The attorneys here have not said unequivocally that the chokehold was not a criminal act. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:15:54 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 06:06:52 2014. But by then the damage might have been done. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:16:57 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 05:39:54 2014. However, NYS does not permit the death penalty for resisting arrest. So it might (or might not) still be a criminal act on the part of the officer. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:12:41 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 05:11:47 2014. She's almost always wrong. But why was that post wrong? |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:13:12 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:44:52 2014. Oh REALLY now?!?!?! |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:14:02 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:46:42 2014. His death was caused by a heart attack due to several factors. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:14:56 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:47:53 2014. I said it was NOT foreseeable. Oh, yes I do.... |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:16:27 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:07:11 2014. You can be CHARGED with anything. Being indicted is a different story. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:18:02 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:49:21 2014. Uh...I THINK I would....Just sayin'.....I would HATE to think that after almost 25 years I've had it all wrong the whole time and had to have the laymen Subchatters show me the way.... |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:19:40 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:13:03 2014. The REAL reason? The Police Commissioner is a politician and thus, politicians have to pander to certain groups. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:22:27 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:15:12 2014. The only problem being that it was NOT a chokehold. ANY halfway decent defense attorney will blow holes in this case. NOW, the real question is will they sacrifice the cop to appease the Court of Public Opinion, no matter how correct or wrong they happen to be.AND, some neophytes ARE arguing with some lawyers and the police here. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:23:00 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:15:54 2014. If true, he wouldn't be yelling like that. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:24:21 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 07:16:57 2014. The culpable mental state of all involved wasn't to kill him. It was to handcuff him. If he was fat and out of shape, with other health problems, that's on HIM... |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 3 08:24:52 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 20:37:45 2014. They are a couple?cou·ple noun \ˈkə-pəl\ : two people who are married or who have a romantic or sexual relationship : two people or things that are together |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:27:35 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 3 08:24:52 2014. But I highly doubt that the second one is the definition he was using. I think he was using the first definition. That's why I'm asking. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:32:51 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:12:41 2014. Because, as of right now, Police can still use a chokehold to subdue a violent perpetrator resisting arrest. It's in the NYS Penal Law. JUST like the Police can shoot a fleeing felon in the back if they feel that the felon will pose a grave danger to the public or police at large. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:38:37 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:32:51 2014. Because, as of right now, Police can still use a chokehold to subdue a violent perpetrator resisting arrest. It's in the NYS Penal Law.Is that a contradiction of what was published in news reports after the incident? Or is it a different situation than what happened in this incident? |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:45:40 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 17:37:12 2014. You're fre to debate the published word, but it still makes you wrong. The medical examiner determined the chokehold as the cause of death. That's all there is to it. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:47:11 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:14:02 2014. Not according to the medical examiner. Whose word I'd take as opposed to a non-cop non-doctor person. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:47:37 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:38:37 2014. The Media is confusing the NYPD internal rule from the NYS PL. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:48:51 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 06:47:53 2014. It certainly IS foreseeable. Which is among the reasons why they banned the practice of using chokeholds to subdue suspects. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:50:59 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:18:02 2014. Said the guy that claims he's not a cop.........which makes him a layman too in this sphere...... |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:54:37 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:22:27 2014. Which you claim to be neither as well. So what is it?The witnesses saw a chokehold. The video shows a chokehold. The deceased was found to have died from a chokehold according to medical experts. What part of your argument is moot do you not get? |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:58:56 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:47:11 2014. Then *I* suggest you read the whole report from the ME. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that you STILL wouldn't take my word for it if I was a cop or doctor as it's conflicting with your view of how you wanted it to happen. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 09:00:36 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:50:59 2014. One doesn't have to be a cop per se...... ;) |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 09:02:28 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 3 08:54:37 2014. Go back and look at the video.Because YOU say my argument is moot, it doesn't make it so.... Quite frankly, it's none of anyone's business here what I do. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:28:13 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:18:02 2014. I'm not a layman. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:33:28 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:16:27 2014. You can be convicted too. It happens frequently. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:33:31 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:13:12 2014. Clearly if you responded to my post with "all murders are felonies" you don't. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:34:45 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:19:40 2014. So you say choke holds are not dangerous, Dr. Bill? Aren't you going full bingbong here? |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:35:35 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:22:27 2014. The only problem being that it was NOT a chokehold.Your evidence being what? |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:36:42 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:24:21 2014. Not necessarily. If they acted recklessly in subduing him, it might have been a crime. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:37:46 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:14:02 2014. And one of those factors was the way the cop handled him. |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 09:40:37 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:27:35 2014. CMM doesn't engage in that level of precision. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:43:52 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 09:02:28 2014. Therefore, you should not complain about the commentary of people whom you believe are laymen, since as far as we are concerned, you are a layman. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:44:31 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:23:00 2014. You are basing this on your expert medical opinion? |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:55:13 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:16:27 2014. If the CHARGE is frivolous, the prosecutor can be subject to a charge of prosecutorial misconduct and the defendant can sue for malicious prosecution or abuse of process. |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:56:17 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:27:35 2014. I disagree. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 10:15:47 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 3 08:47:37 2014. I don't think the media is confusing anything. Their news reports stated that it was against NYPD policy, not that it was "illegal" by law. If anyone is confused, it is the people on SubChat.com claiming that it is "illegal". Though by saying "illegal" they may be referring to the NYPD policy and not actual law. |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 10:23:42 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 08:27:35 2014. I think he was using the first definition. That's why I'm asking.Is it so critically important that you have felt the need to ask/bump multiple times? |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Sep 3 10:43:49 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 2 17:37:12 2014. where did you get this info from?choke hold ARE NOT ILLEGAL,they are against nypd policy,period. |
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Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 11:34:22 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Sep 3 10:43:49 2014. If you were not an NYPD officer, and you used a chokehold against someone, you'd be guilty of assault. |
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Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:08:32 2014, in response to Re: Salaam does not know what ''murder'' and ''Cold Blood'' mean, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:43:52 2014. IAWTP |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:10:21 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 10:23:42 2014. Unfortunately, yes. |
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Re: I Applaud This Couple |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:11:29 2014, in response to Re: I Applaud This Couple, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 09:56:17 2014. I disagree.Awesome! Disagreement requirement for this week: FULFILLED! Because I get a lot of sh*t around here if we don't disagree enough. |
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