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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:53:03 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 2 08:58:54 2014. The racism is also in the editorial comment, "oh surprise." |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:54:32 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 08:01:31 2014. It's very unusual, so much so that it would be a feel-good story no matter who did it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:56:01 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 2 06:40:21 2014. Not the point. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:57:08 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 2 06:41:26 2014. So what's wrong with a little ethnic pride? If an Italian-American kid had done it, I would've posted it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:02:36 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 2 14:46:17 2014. I never said it wasn't rare (where did I claim such???), I did however say there was absolutely no evidence that this is the "first" and only time this ever happened. (It very well could be, or it may not be, but it wasn't said ANYWHERE as of yet).Fred aside (who knows this too, but is playing the game of course), there isn't any site that claims this is the first time. That was totally either made up, or inferred from a Guidance counselor in one school who "never saw this in her 15 years there" (remembering William Floyd School District doesn't have the greatest stats to begin with, so there of all places it's going to be quite rare). |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:03:44 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 2 14:46:17 2014. My search results came up empty for something that's quite rare. I'm not calling it proof positive but it's more to go on than no research.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:03:48 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 08:35:12 2014. Exactly! |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:05:13 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:02:36 2014. I agree with you about the counselor and based my opinion solely on the Google searches I did.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:06:04 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:45:45 2014. That's another point that I didn't even realize. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:09:33 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 11:44:24 2014. " It should be insulting to Blacks to see something like this."Oh yes, Mr. Spokesman for All Black People. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:12:31 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:03:44 2014. As I posted elsewhere, it may be rare because it is rare to apply to all 8 Ivies in the first place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:13:02 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:49:47 2014. How can you say it's disgusting? It's an inspirational story for black kids who are so often told they CAN'T accomplish certain things.That's the whole point. People making a big deal out of the fact that he's "Black", and this happened actually show the opposite, as in "Amazing that a Black kid could even do this". That's a terrible message to send. If you look, it's actually people making a big deal out of the fact that he's Black that are sending the message that "Blacks can't normally accomplish certain things". That's terrible. I don't hear any black people say they are insulted by this story. I did NOT SAY that Black people should be insulted by the story, but instead the hype that is being made because he's BLACK and this happened, as in "it's not something Blacks can normally accomplish". Again, a TERRIBLE message to send. Fox News was the weirdest. They not only did not mention the kid's race in their website's article, the failed to show his photo as well! And why should it not be a KID that did this? Why should it be mentioned that it's a "Black" kid or a "white" kid? While there's nothing wrong with showing his photo, why do YOU think they (or any news outlet) should even mention he's "Black"? Because otherwise it's just assumed he's white? Again, terrible. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:14:15 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:49:47 2014. I'd be more sympathetic if the right did not trumpet the race of every black criminal.Pointing out the epidemic of violence in black communities, and black on white crime is not an indictment of all blacks. In most cases, blacks are the victims of black on black violence. How can you say it's disgusting? It's an inspirational story for black kids who are so often told they CAN'T accomplish certain things. I don't hear any black people say they are insulted by this story. How can you speak for them? No one says they "CAN'T". Look at the demographics of NYC over the years and the percentage of Italian-Americans at Stuyvesant and Science. No one says Italian-Americans "CAN'T" get into those schools. They just get in at very very very low percentages. Fox News was the weirdest. They not only did not mention the kid's race in their website's article, the failed to show his photo as well! Fox is making a statement. Obviously mocking the stories where the mainstream media leaves out race. They did this so YOU and others can pick up the omission and feel cool for noticing it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:14:30 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:54:32 2014. EXACTLY!!!!!! The fact that some "kid" did this is the story, not that he happens to be Black. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 2 15:18:05 2014, in response to Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 1 18:06:26 2014. Hopefully, yes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:18:19 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:56:01 2014. Yes, but it IS the point. Why is it racism to describe a perpetrator of an alleged crime? That's good for many things, as in describing who did it, especially when trying to catch someone. Law enforcement shouldn't be reporting a "teenager with black hair about 6 feet tall as opposed to a (white black hispanic asian fill in a blank) teenager with black hair about 6 feet tall did whatever. There is reasoning for describing what a criminal or alleged criminal looks like.There's absolutely NO reason for having to describe the race of a teenager that did something like this. Why is "being black" pertinent? Other than, "wow what a surprise a black kid could do this" (and that goes back to that's terrible). |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:19:32 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:13:02 2014. To your last point, because they ALWAYS show photos and race ID of any black who does anything nefarious. THAT's the terrible message to send, not the one you decry. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:20:29 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:14:15 2014. No, they did the latter because they are racist. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:20:29 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:57:08 2014. Ethnic pride? People would get attacked if someone said "A white kid got into 8 Ivy League colleges" as opposed to "A Black kid got into 8 ivy league colleges". Why not just a "kid"? Why would "being Italian" or fill in a blank have ANYTHING to do with the story? Other than, "Of surprise, look an Italian could actually do something like that". That would also be terrible. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 2 15:20:53 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 1 20:46:28 2014. Outright lie |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:21:37 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:14:30 2014. But you just said "they" (whoever that is) only care because he is black. I call BS on that. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:23:23 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:18:19 2014. "Why is "being black" pertinent?"Because, still today - though you may not believe it - many black kids are discouraged from doing things like applying to the Ivy League, or taking AP courses, or even staying in school. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:26:13 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:20:29 2014. You know, the original article did not say "a black kid." And that's good. But it's perfectly fine for blacks or others to point this out as an example of a black kid overcoming racial stereotypes, when everything else in the media shows blacks as thugs and criminals. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:26:25 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:12:31 2014. Of course.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:26:53 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 02:25:35 2014. Proof? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:31:13 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:03:44 2014. Then there's nothing wrong with assuming it's not the first either.Not finding proof of a fact (that this is or isn't the first time), does not make it more likely to infer this is the first as opposed to it isn't the first. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:32:12 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:19:32 2014. And they always show photos of any WHITE that does a crime too! When do they NOT show a perpetrator is white? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:33:58 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:09:33 2014. I never claimed to be such (other than people like you that don't know how else to answer my point). How about addressing the point as opposed to making up some wild claim that I am some spokesperson for Black people? I said Black people SHOULD be offended when people assume that it should be a surprise that this kid is "black". Again, that's terrible. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:38:42 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:14:15 2014. Instead of being surprised at the fact that this came out of William Floyd School district, which has pretty dire stats as opposed to other school districts on Long Island, people bring up race. That's VERY sad.The real story is that this isn't one of the best school districts on Long Island, yet was able to produce such a student. William Floyd's graduation rate is terribly low (73.1%), one of "the" worst on Long Island. The only ones lower are places like Wyandanch. THAT is the story here, yet people are "stuck on race" instead. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:39:52 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:31:13 2014. Logic dictates that something so rare would be documented tho. Without such documentation, claiming that it had to have happened already is pointless.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:41:24 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:21:37 2014. Who is "they"? The people making a fuss out of the fact that he's Black is "they". I NEVER said BLACK PEOPLE only care that he's Black. I said that "they" should be offended instead that people think it's a surprise Black people can do such things. That's terrible. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:42:55 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 14:54:32 2014. No. If it was a WASP, Jewish, or Asian kid, it would be no surprise, no story.Or maybe it would be a story but not as big as it's being portrayed. THIW. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:44:06 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:23:23 2014. Because, still today - though you may not believe it - many black kids are discouraged from doing things like applying to the Ivy League, or taking AP courses, or even staying in school.BINGO, and those are EXACTLY the same people making a fuss that this is a "black" kid accomplishment, or more so by making it sound that it should be a "surprise" that Black people could do such things. That's terrible. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:45:51 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:20:29 2014. Fox News is racist for not showing a photo of the kid?That's kind of funny on your part. Did they mention his name? Or leave that out because it "sounds funny" and kind of gives the kids background away. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:47:56 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 15:26:13 2014. You know, the original article did not say "a black kid." And that's good.YES, thankfully. But the original poster felt the need to make it an issue. And unfortunately there are a LOT of sites (mostly left leaning) that are mentioning he's black for the sole purpuse of bringing up race in a story that has nothing to do with race. This should instead have been a story about "a kid" beating the odds at a very marginal (compared to other school districts on Long Island) school district, of which William Floyd has dreadful stats when it comes to those who even make it to graduate, much less go to any college. THAT is the story here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:49:46 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 2 15:39:52 2014. And claiming it's the first is JUST as pointless. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:55:42 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:45:51 2014. Yeah, that's a good one.Now: -it's not only "racist" to show a photo of when a Black person commits a crime, it's also "racist" if you do not show a photo if a Black person does something wonderful. Yet of course, -it's not "racist" to show a photo of when a White person commits a crime, and not "racist" to show a photo of a White person does something wonderful. It gets better and better. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:56:09 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 15:45:51 2014. Yeah, that's a good one.Now: -it's not only "racist" to show a photo of when a Black person commits a crime, it's also "racist" if you do not show a photo if a Black person does something wonderful. Yet of course, -it's not "racist" to show a photo of when a White person commits a crime, and not "racist" to not show a photo of a White person does something wonderful. It gets better and better. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:07:14 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:32:12 2014. Yes, and I would bet they would've shown a photo of this kid if he were white. Very strange that they were the ONLY major news outlet that had no photo. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:08:14 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:33:58 2014. Stop deflecting. Who gave you the right to tell blacks they SHOULD be offended? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 16:09:04 2014, in response to Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 1 18:06:26 2014. Is this why you used the word "teen"?teens in St. Pete shooting |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:09:12 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 15:44:06 2014. No, they are NOT the same people at all. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:14:39 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:07:14 2014. More BS as suspected.http://www.nbcnews.com/id/54844478/#.UzxuxFc5uIk |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:16:28 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:08:14 2014. No one has claimed such. But they SHOULD be offended if people think they can't do something, or when people act surprised when they do. There's nothing wrong with saying that. How about addressing the point instead of YOU DEFLECTING my point.Probably because you have nothing better to say about my point other than attack and deflect the point. Nice try. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 16:17:41 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:07:14 2014. http://time.com/45099/new-york-teen-gets-accepted-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools/Time did not show a photo. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:17:41 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:09:12 2014. They most certainly are part of the people that encourage that stigma. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:20:06 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 2 16:17:41 2014. They must be "racist" according to Italianstallion. Add them to the list. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:20:42 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:14:39 2014. More BS from you, or you were snookered. The site you posted is the local Fort Myers, FL page of NBC. HERE is the national nbc.com story:http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/hit-list-teen-gets-all-8-ivy-league-schools-n68856 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:21:09 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:17:41 2014. More BS. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 2 16:24:38 2014, in response to Re: Long Island Teen Accepted By All Eight Ivy-League Schools, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 2 16:21:09 2014. You don't think it's terrible that people act surprised that a Black student can do something like this? Why would that be any more "surprising" than a non-Black student accomplishing such? |
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