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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:37:48 2014 Seems the republican push to keep the union out of VW's Tennessee plant has backfired. Bigtime, as Darth Cheney would say. They are not expanding in a union-hostile area. The mayor of Lansing, Michigan has offered to talk, and it appears Stuttgart is taking the phone call.The Week Daily Kos Reuters Enough proof, tards? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 16:38:52 2014, in response to Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:37:48 2014. Tards? Calling names again? This was never a RW or Republican push. It was the will of the workers. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:41:33 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 16:38:52 2014. LOL! WHO paid for all those anti-union billboards and TV/radio advertising? The republican national committee. What about Corker and their governor coming out and speaking against unionization? Did you pay the least bit of attention to what went on, how and why, down there? Apparently not, so the name fits. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:41:43 2014, in response to Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:37:48 2014. LOL! Three left-wing sources, and it's vapid claims from the Vaterland labor boss. He doesn't run the show there.Although, it might be that the whole dog-and-pony show is really a backdoor way to get the German Workers' Councils in here and stop the UAW. Double LOL! |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:45:10 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:41:43 2014. Reuters is mainstream, balanced (for REAL) journalism. I threw in Kos for fun, no RW outlet will touch a story that showsin clear simple terms how the RW "leadership" SCREWED the working people by denying them the jobs through their activism over this unionization election and now its outcome. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:55:28 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:45:10 2014. Reuters is mainstream, balanced (for REAL) journalismLOL! There's a reason it got the nickname "al-Reuters". Is this an admission of antisemitism on your part? never mind the past associations of VW with Ferdinand's creation as appropriated by Adolf? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 17:10:45 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:55:28 2014. Are you insane? BTW, you need not answer that. We know the answer. It's just a rhetorical question.Plus, never heard of that nickname. Is it some sort of RW anti-Semitic paranoia on the part of the RW? You'd know, being part of.... |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 20 17:17:49 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 16:38:52 2014. better tell Corker, he violated federal law by interfering in the vote. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 20 17:19:07 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:41:43 2014. well since you get woody from anything German we got best thing for workers and you .. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 17:28:43 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:41:33 2014. So you continue to justify your rude behavior - blaming everyone else. Do you realize that your husband makes posts after post trying to defend your boorish behavior? He's not convincing anyone. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 17:29:18 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 20 17:17:49 2014. Why don't you tell Corker? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 17:36:10 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 17:28:43 2014. You earned it. Your comment proved it. What more needs to be said?BTW, Corker apparently broke the law. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 17:48:20 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 17:36:10 2014. Apparently? I would think that especially you would understand "innocent until proven guilty." When he's convicted of a crime, then do let me know. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 17:54:39 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 17:48:20 2014. What will you do when he is? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 20 18:27:10 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:55:28 2014. Rants of the criminally insane don't necessarily get the attention of Funk and Wagnalls. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 21:43:22 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 17:54:39 2014. You do mean "IF" he is, right? Same as I'll do if he's not. Life goes on. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 21:58:58 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 16:38:52 2014. The will of the workers? No, GOP Nazi intimidation. In the 1940s the US destroyed Nazism in Germany. looks like Germany is now going to return the favor. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 22:00:24 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:41:43 2014. GERMANY will DESTROY the GOP NAZIS. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 22:02:27 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:55:28 2014. GO VW, GO GERMANY GO UAW. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 22:08:35 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:55:28 2014. Who gave Reuters that nickname? FReeperFReaks who should be waterboarded in GTMO? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 22:08:35 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:55:28 2014. Who gave Reuters that nickname? FReeperFReaks who should be waterboarded in GTMO? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 22:10:10 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 21:58:58 2014. What's going on with the PA Iron workers, Mike? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 22:12:16 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 21:43:22 2014. I'll stick with when. Preponderance of the evidence. This is headed to the NLRB, yunno. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 22:39:42 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 22:12:16 2014. Like when George Zimmerman "is" convicted, right?Or like when Kermit Gosnell is found "not guilty, right? Your understanding of criminal law and criminal cases seems to be a bit lacking, bingy! |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 22:49:37 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 22:39:42 2014. Preponderance of the evidence. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 23:01:20 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 22:49:37 2014. Like Zimmerman and Gosnell? Based on your past history, it would seem that your evaluation of the "preponderance of Evidence" can be, shall we say, a tad off. Then again, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Who knows, based on the law of averages, you may one day be right. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 23:19:04 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 23:01:20 2014. Preponderance of the evidence. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 23:20:54 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 23:19:04 2014. Polly want a cracker? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 23:23:20 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 23:20:54 2014. The crackers voted to keep the union out of VW. Looks like they also ran VW out of Crackerstan. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 20 23:30:46 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 23:23:20 2014. Pretty much all of the eurocars, Chrysler too now that it's Fiat. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 21 00:10:36 2014, in response to Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:37:48 2014. Seems the progressive democrat push to keep the non-union workers out of PA Iron Workers territory has backfired. Bigtime, |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Feb 21 05:57:13 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 20 17:19:07 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 21 08:37:23 2014, in response to Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 20 16:37:48 2014. Since you are not capable of rational discussion, I'm going to put this out there in case anyone else wants to discuss.First, the article is quoting early reactionary comments. Such comments are not at this point a set in stone policy decision. Anything could happen, unlike the way bingbong misconstrued things in the above post. Second, there has to be more to this story. There's no way VW built a plant in the south without considering the non-infinitesimal chance that the factory would not unionize. That they still went ahead and built the plant shows that they felt there were benefits to the south that outweighed the possibility of non-unionization. And since that 20 member council had to approve this, they knew what they were getting into. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 11:01:18 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 20 23:23:20 2014. I like that. Will use it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 11:14:01 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 21 08:37:23 2014. Wrong. They were romanced with 10 year tax abatements. That's what those states do.VW's plant management model requires some form of unionization to function properly. They may not close down what they already have running, but see no point in expanding there when they could get a similar deal in a desired union friendly environment. You don't comprehend the nuance. They want a well-run plant and to their thinking and experience, that requires unionized workers. Unions, you see, ensure workers have the necessary skills and maintain them for one. They are also used in the managerial chain, representing the workers. This model has worked well for them elsewhere in the world, and they have every right to run their business as they see fit. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 21 11:39:43 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 11:14:01 2014. The unions I have dealt with have been about preserving jobs regardless of quality and preventing the firing of underperforming workers |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 11:43:28 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 21 11:39:43 2014. The unions around here run their own schools and continuing ed training as well. That's always been part of the union's mission....they ensure the employer gets trained and competent people to begin with. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 21 12:24:28 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 11:14:01 2014. Not wrong.Your first paragraph supports my point. Your second paragraph repeats info already provided in the articles and then goes on to say stuff that you've already said and which I already addressed. Your third paragraph is a hot mess of rehashed info from the articles and opinions that are either irrelevant to what I wrote or just mirror your faulty reasoning in your original post. And if anyone is missing nuance, it's you, because my post was specific, direct, and targeted, and yet the only part of your reply that was relevant was the part that AGREED with what I wrote. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 12:32:02 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 21 12:24:28 2014. You didn't address anything, much less comprehend nuance. Why not just drop it?VW is not going to build a SUV plant in TN. Get over it. Not exactly likely they'd hire you anyway. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 21 15:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 20 16:41:43 2014. So you're perfectly OK with government interference in private enterprise if it's union-busting. How ... hypocritical. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Feb 22 10:48:49 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 20 17:29:18 2014. Why don't you do it? |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Feb 22 11:32:04 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 21 11:14:01 2014. Unions were necessary 100 years ago, when employers truly mistreated their workers. Now they've force feed people the idea that without a union, things would go right back to the 1800s.Simple fact is they won't. We have federal, state and local laws that protect workers. Federally regulated minimum wage, OSHA, as much as some people (myself included) don't like it, Obamacare. And they've used that lie as an excuse to make themselves bigger and more powerful unnecessarily. I was laughing my ass off for weeks several years ago when the head of the TWU demanded that the MTA chair took a pay cut, calling his six figure salary "unreasonable". Guess who else in that conversation makes six figures? And the moment union workers get a raise, watch their dues go up. It's not about the good of the workers. It stopped being that ages ago. And yes, to get my current job, I had to join a union. And so far they are living up to every expectation I've had of them. Least of which is the morons sending me someone else's mail, even after I called them and told them to stop it. They still won't tell me how they F'ed that up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 22 11:35:13 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by The Silence on Sat Feb 22 11:32:04 2014. We have federal, state and local laws that protect workersBut they don't protect workers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 22 11:36:01 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 22 11:35:13 2014. Not to say that a union would do any better, especially if populated by communists (who were supposed to be banned from them). |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 22 11:38:22 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by The Silence on Sat Feb 22 11:32:04 2014. And they've used that lie as an excuse to make themselves bigger and more powerful unnecessarily.You think unions are more powerful than they were, say, 20, 30, 40, or 50 years ago? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 22 13:39:50 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 22 11:38:22 2014. If they aren't, it's due to liberal politicians sapping their power. Kinda ironic that the unions support same so ardently, yes? and then cry when they get burned over no Obamacare exemptions. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 22 13:41:50 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 22 13:39:50 2014. Yeah, because as we all know, it's the republicans that will take care of them best. LOL |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 22 14:46:24 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Feb 22 10:48:49 2014. Why don't you mind your own fucking business you ignorant old clown? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 22 18:12:31 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 22 14:46:24 2014. What was this you said earlier about anger and meltdowns? LOL |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Feb 22 21:34:38 2014, in response to Re: Not Happening, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 22 11:38:22 2014. What I meant was "more than was ever necessary in the first place".They act like they have a right to control who has access to certain jobs. Personal example. My little sister studied TV production at St. Johns, and was looking for an internship as part of her senior year. She wanted to do TV production work, she likes technical directing (Control room stuff). But all the production internships that didn't involve driving into New Jersey were "Sit and Watch", and she wound up with a desk job at TV Land. Why? Because the union contracts with the networks say that, in New York, only union members can touch the equipment. Which mean even though she could have been working on "Kelly and Michael", she would have just had to sit there and watch everyone else. At this point she was not a novice when it came to the equipment. She'd been taking classes for three years on the stuff, and actually had spent the previous semester in a practicum that was live streaming St. Johns home games over the internet, and had done such a good job she remains on the payroll, even after she graduated back in May. The closest she's come to major network exposure is having to watch Andrew W.K. drum all night back in June on an MTV webcast award show/event/thing because she knows how to use a machine called a "TriCaster", and that currently stands as a marketable skill. Is it that important to "protect someone's job"? Are they that threatened by a skinny little 22 year old? Oh, wait, she might (Key Word) have a teeny-tiny chance of coming along and being better than someone who already has that job! and they can't have people who are actually good at a job taking it away from someone who's been paying them money to keep it, no matter how badly they suck at it. |
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