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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:02:36 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:55:24 2013. Use the video to blame the GOP? That doesn't make sense. My smoke screen theory is more plausible than that. Unless you mean something else when you say "opposition" your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:08:41 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:00:17 2013. Yep ... I've seen how those exit taxes work. Perhaps you're forgetting the other angle that makes it all worthwhile for the very wealthy though - "repatriation tax" on the money kept offshore. That's even bigger dollars. Once you've shipped enough over there, the exit taxes on what doesn't come back here is peanuts compared to the savings of cashing out "over there" ... our tax attorney has told us hairy stories of just how WORTH it it is to play that, much to our own country's chagrins. :( |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:31:02 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:57:57 2013. Source(s)?(News, not opinion.) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:33:40 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:02:36 2013. Using the video was clearly a way to say "The Ambassador is dead because some irresponsible right-winger posted a hate video on YouTube" instead of saying "The Ambassador is dead because we put him in harms way, failed to protect him and then failed to rescue him". |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:35:14 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:33:40 2013. I don't suppose any of your (ahem) "sources" bothered to mention that he went to that outpost AGAINST the advice and warnings of the military? That IS what happened, you know? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:36:20 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:08:41 2013. Ja, but any money "over here" has now been reported to the IRS. That game is over. The Wegelin saga made sure of that. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:37:51 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:31:02 2013. Just an observation that the scandal isn't going away, despite Selkirk's insistence that some CBS news item renders the whole thing moot. Has any news organization declared the saga finished -- or are they still digging? Reporters only dig when they believe there is a story there. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:39:01 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:33:40 2013. Yeah maybe, but I'm not feeling that one as a reason. My reason isn't that great either so I'm not going to the wall with ityour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:40:07 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:35:14 2013. That has nothing to do with what Susan Rice told the press on the Sunday after the incident.The Ambassador is dead. She (as mouthpiece of the administration) placed blame at the feet of the American right wing. If the story were as simple as you claim, she could have just said "We warned him not to go, and he went anyway" and there would be no scandal. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:40:19 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:36:20 2013. that's just roesti!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:41:47 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:37:51 2013. So no sources yet for your statement. Just a belief that there will be sources in the future. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:44:28 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:39:01 2013. Go back to some of the threads here shortly after the attack. Start with this one -- http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=987887 -- and you'll see that many people were jumping on the bandwagon that it was this "right-wingers" fault that the Ambassador had been killed.Susan Rice going on TV 5 times the next day to blame the YouTube video was in order to sustain that sentiment when the administration already knew it wasn't true. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:44:53 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:39:01 2013. Some interesting links that I'll tag here since our republican friends can't be bothered reading anything that doesn''t agree with them. Turns out that this whole hoohah was manufactured by Hannity and Cheney. Heh.One article sides with the righties, the other beats them with a stick. Have faith that the right will gas off anyway without reading either. Also, note the dates. Submitted faithfully, Douglas Neidermeyer :) http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/05/benghazi-conspiracy-isnt-surviving-dcs-scandal-week/65299/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/documents-back-up-claims-of-requests-for-greater-security-in-benghazi/ And yes, one of them contains a smoking chimp. (grin) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:45:48 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 16:40:19 2013. Had some for lunch today. And 2 brats for dinner.Now I just have to start exercising like the Swiss do -- it's been a long winter here and I'm 20 pounds above where I should be. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:46:53 2013, in response to Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:37:49 2013. When they blame the YouTube video, they are claiming that "A US ambassador and three others are dead because some hate-mongering American right-winger posted a hateful video on YouTube".Makes no sense. It should have been EASIER to protect the consulate against a random crowd of screaming Muslims than to protect it against an orgainzed attack. You really look stupid if you can't defend the place against a mob. You just look insufficiently prepared if you can't defend the place against dedicated terrorists. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:47:07 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:40:07 2013. You can keep corralling the facts as much as you wish until they somehow appear to fit, but this wasn't the result of one single day. ALL of this was "investigated" before the election and now those "facts" are being shown to be the lies they are. Cheney and Hannity made shit up as usual.Just posted two articles in response to Unca Fred. READ them. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:48:54 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:41:47 2013. We certainly shall see. I don't see anyone declaring this dead yet. Except Selkirk ("nothing to see here, anything and everything is the Republicans fault") and you ("now the talking points say it was incompetence so I believe them, because I always believe them, even though they've lied to me over and over in the past week"). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:50:04 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:36:20 2013. Apple and Google beg to differ. They put their money in the Caymans not realizing that the Brits want to tax them now. I love it when a plan comes together! :)Amazing how fast money can move when they spot the cops. Heh. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:50:22 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:47:07 2013. Open your eyes. The Administration lies on a regular basis to serve their political needs. Stop reflexively believing them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:51:29 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:48:54 2013. Everything IS the republican's fault, but the motherlode of documentation is there for the sniffing now. So far, only smell arising from the pile smells like Cheney. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:52:23 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:44:28 2013. The real paperwork is there for the viewing now. Suggest having a whiff. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:53:19 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:50:22 2013. Thanks for reading. :-\ |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:55:35 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:50:04 2013. I'm sure there are places you can put money to hide it from the US Government. I don't know about the Caymans (though I generally won't accept a Cayman counter-party in business).I'm just saying that those places are not in Switzerland. Not anymore. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:56:14 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:46:53 2013. Of course it makes no sense. But that is exactly what they did. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:58:37 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:56:14 2013. Since we agree on what they did (conceal knowledge of a planned attack), and we agree that your reason for what they did makes no sense, a likely conclusion is that the reason for what they did is something else. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:59:12 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:52:23 2013. You are ignoring the facts that are right in front of your face.1. The administration knew that the attack was a terrorist attack. 2. The administration sent out Susan Rice to perpetuate the idea that it was not a terrorist attack. 3. She blamed the attack on a YouTube video that had been made by someone most often described as an American right winger. Those three statements are 100% fact. And they are quite damning. You can post all the articles and links you want -- but you can't find anything that disputes those three facts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:00:34 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:59:12 2013. Whose "facts?" Hannity" Daily Wail? Please. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:02:28 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:55:35 2013. Yep ... and not to worry, we keep all of ours in New York banks. Unca Sammy is welcome to his piece, and so is Prince Andrew. It's what patriotic Americans do, not bottom feeders. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 17:03:04 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:59:12 2013. And they are quite damning.No, there is a plausible explanation other than yours for those 3 facts. Furthermore, your explanation is not supported by the released emails. So you have to be claiming that behind the scenes of emails that no one expected would ever be made public a separate clandestine conversation was going on. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:05:29 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:58:37 2013. Actually comes down to a very simple reality, the motto of ALL three-letter agencies ... "trust no one, especially your own" ... |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:06:19 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 16:58:37 2013. And what do you suppose that reason is? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:06:52 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 17:03:04 2013. Facts be damned, here's the reality here:http://start.toshiba.com/news/read/category/political/article/ap-gop_ready_to_push_benghazi_case_into_201-ap |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:06:56 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:00:34 2013. Tell me any of the three I listed are false. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:07:40 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:06:19 2013. Taa-daa!http://start.toshiba.com/news/read/category/political/article/ap-gop_ready_to_push_benghazi_case_into_201-ap |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:07:45 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by AlM on Fri May 17 17:03:04 2013. So what do the published emails say about why they chose to blame the YouTube video? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:08:41 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:06:56 2013. Tell me any of the three that are TRUTH.And if they are, then why is the "investigation" continuing after the jury has returned the verdict? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:11:16 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:02:28 2013. There is nothing wrong with having money in an overseas bank, and plenty of legitimate reasons to do so. It has nothing to do with patriotism.As long as you report your accounts to the IRS and pay taxes on your income, there is no problem at all. Now, some people would try and have people believe that simply having money outside the US is evidence of tax evasion or other criminal activity. But I know you're not that kind of guy, right? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:12:49 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:59:12 2013. All three are truth, and not in dispute by anyone other than you.Al disputes my interpretation of why #3 happened, and he is most certainly entitled to his (naive and misguided) opinion. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:15:56 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:11:16 2013. Correct. All of our overseas sales are repatriated here as soon as the merchant account clears the funds. That includes all sales done locally over there in order to properly collect the various VATs. Then again, we don't have Goldman as a partner, so no need to cheat. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:17:41 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:12:49 2013. Don't mind me, but I'm pushing back against the republican bullshit which those emails have proven to their rap to be. "Fair and balanced" yaknow. :)You're still quoting bullshit, I've tried to help you out by posting links to properly done investigations, not the Rupert rampages. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 17:21:39 2013, in response to Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:37:49 2013. There was no reason to blame the YouTube video other than to try to shift blame to their political opponents.Yup. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:21:40 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:17:41 2013. So help me out, since you are so well-informed. Which of the three statements was false?Did the administration not know that it was a terrorist attack almost immediately after the incident? Did they not send Susan Rice on the Sunday Talk Show circuit to keep up the idea that terrorism was not the reason for the attack? Did they not send Susan Rice on the Sunday Talk Show circuit with instructions to blame the YouTube video? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 17:24:33 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:59:12 2013. I think the CIA and State Dept were still going back and forth during that Sunday that Rice was on TV and that it's naive to think the reason was to blame the American right.I think this scandal isn't going much further and it's running out of steam. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 17:26:46 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:21:40 2013. Did the administration not know that it was a terrorist attack almost immediately after the incident?True. They probably knew it was an attack while it was going on and some day people will speak out saying we should have tried to save those in danger. Did they not send Susan Rice on the Sunday Talk Show circuit to keep up the idea that terrorism was not the reason for the attack? "Spontaneous" was the word used. Did they not send Susan Rice on the Sunday Talk Show circuit with instructions to blame the YouTube video? Hillary too. She blamed the video and lashed out against the guy who made it. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:26:52 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:15:56 2013. If you don't have any expenses outside the US, it makes great sense to repatriate the money immediately -- probably no reason to run currency risk for a software firm (apologies if I mis-characterized your business).If you actually have overseas expenses, then it would probably make sense to maintain some of your revenue in an account there -- as individuals and small businesses get whacked pretty good on foreign exchange fees and spreads. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:28:09 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 17:26:46 2013. Hillary too. She blamed the video and lashed out against the guy who made it. I was not aware of that. That is pretty self-serving if true. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:37:12 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:21:40 2013. Chances are they didn't. Administrations usually wait for an actual report and don't watch FOX News for military analysis.I'll take both of the other two here: It's quite clear from the emails that nobody was telling anybody anything the first couple of days, especially the state department. I'm sure Susan Rice went with only what they could officially put out at the time which clearly wasn't much. That all said, despite all evidence to the contrary that you're ignoring, there's no point in any further answers since you're obviously going with what has already been discredited and have no interest in reading up on what is now known after the release of the documents. You should really contact some congressfish and tell them to stop wasting money since the investigation has been completed already. :) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:38:18 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 17:24:33 2013. I don't think they were still going back and forth Fred. The talking points were finalized mid-day Saturday. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 17:38:28 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 17:24:33 2013. Not ONLY has it stopped dripping water from the dump valve, it's actually pissing off voters who actually watched real news and saw the actual emails and memos. :)I say "ramming speed" for the continuing silliness out of the right. Boehner has already been trying to get his cats back into the bag. Heh. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 17:40:00 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 17:28:09 2013. She called it "disgusting and reprehensible"At around 7:00 she blamed "content". She continued the video talking point Hillary again |
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