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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 19:28:51 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 15:12:13 2006. I always did like the Erie Lackawanna so here:
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:09:02 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 19:28:51 2006. Even better than their parent roads . . . ?You know, there's hardly any pix (if at all) of Erie Terminal in Jersey City. You can find pix of Exchange Place Terminal (PRR) and even Weehawken Terminal (NYC), but Erie Terminal is utterly elusive. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 20:15:17 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:09:02 2006. Even better than their parent roads . . . ?HELL YES!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:21:23 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 20:15:17 2006. Even with killing the old Erie Main and DL&W Boonton roads . . . ? Soon as Erie Terminal went under, so did the Northern and Orange Branches, not to mention Susie-Q pax service after it got cut back to "Susquehanna Transfer".One plus was sending the Phoebe Snow to Chicago. I'm on the side of those that believe that the Erie Lackamoney coulda held their own against Con |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 20:26:29 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:21:23 2006. Erie Lackawanna was killed by the BLE. |
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Posted by Line 13 on Wed Mar 15 20:41:47 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 11:33:45 2006. IAWTP. The Libeskind plan is an extremely inappropriate design for the site. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 21:03:22 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Allan on Wed Mar 15 13:33:40 2006. the remains have been blown to the wind and dumped in the Fresh Kills Landfill. None are ar the WTC site. That havbing been said, if countries like Malaysia and Taiwan can have tall buildings, so can America. Build the things anyway. Super tall buildings have always taken DECADES to fully rent out, this is not a new thing, However, if America allows a so-so building there, they might as well hang it up as a nation. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 21:11:05 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:40:18 2006. There's nothing wrong with the Department of Homeland Security, only the name sucks. Most countries have the same functions vested in a Ministry of the Interior, a name which we've squandered for our land management agency.Just in the 20th century, the United States made it through two world wars, two other major wars, and the Cold War, all without needing anything like the DHS. But now we're all piddling our panties in fear of the Towel Heads, so all of a sudden we need this agency. Yet we got along fine without it when the nation faced far GREATER threats. As for your claims of defeat, lots of crybabies claimed that the US lost the Cold War at various points, such as when the Korean War ended, or the Berlin Wall was built. In the case of something as abstract and completely stupid as "the War on Terror." It's impossible to say whether anyone has won, and fear is the most efficient tool for maintaining power. As abstract as the War on Terror may be, the United States lost it when we totally capitulated to fear. The passengers' failure to fight back lost us a battle, the nation's collective panty-piddling lost us a war. As for fear as a means of maintaining power, that surely is true with respect to paranoia on the government level, e.g. transit photo bans. But it doesn't explain paranoia on the private level, e.g. turnstiles in office building lobbies. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 21:15:57 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 20:26:29 2006. One wonders what Phoebe Snow would've thought of that. The thoughts wouldn't have been pleasant, though, not by a long shot. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 21:27:23 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 21:11:05 2006. Just in the 20th century, the United States made it through two world wars, two other major wars, and the Cold War, all without needing anything like the DHS. But now we're all piddling our panties in fear of the Towel Heads, so all of a sudden we need this agency. Yet we got along fine without it when the nation faced far GREATER threats.So? If it ain't broke, don't mean it doesn't need improvin' As abstract as the War on Terror may be, the United States lost it when we totally capitulated to fear. I gotta agree with you here on the fear issue, but not on that caused us to lose the war on terror. The "War on Terror" is an instrument of fear, if there was no fear, there would be no war on terror. As for fear as a means of maintaining power, that surely is true with respect to paranoia on the government level, e.g. transit photo bans. But it doesn't explain paranoia on the private level, e.g. turnstiles in office building lobbies. Building owners can be afraid too. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 21:31:00 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 21:03:22 2006. Super tall buildings have always taken DECADES to fully rent outLike the Empty State Building. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 21:32:11 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 15 17:34:02 2006.  Hi, this is BIE at yu0r service! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 21:41:11 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 21:27:23 2006. As for fear as a means of maintaining power, that surely is true with respect to paranoia on the government level, e.g. transit photo bans. But it doesn't explain paranoia on the private level, e.g. turnstiles in office building lobbies.Building owners can be afraid too. Of course. But they don't gain anything by exploiting fear, unlike the government. In fact, from a building owner's point of view, the paranoia is costly (the cost of installing and maintaining the turnstiles, plus salaries and benefits for security personnel). My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 21:48:08 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 17:33:13 2006. then where is the guy buried? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 21:52:21 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:21:23 2006. Where was Susquehanna Transfer? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 22:19:06 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 15 21:52:21 2006. Approximately where NJ 495 (former I-495 in NJ) crosses the NYSW main/Northern Branch. Pax took a bus into Manhattan from there. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 23:00:05 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BMTLines on Wed Mar 15 18:17:50 2006. To the Nattering Nudniks of 9/11 who are Trying to Snub Development of Ground Zero: Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Yes, I feel for your pain and your loss, but, with all due respect, the remains of your loved ones have been removed/hosed off of surrounding buildings/taken to Fresh Kills Landfill/ cleaned out of subway stations/been sent to Taiwan along with the metal they recycled into steel parts/blown all over Brooklyn, Long Island, and out to sea. If you want to honor your lost beloved, look over there. The damage has been done already. Let's move ON, and let's rebuild! |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Mar 15 23:58:29 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 23:00:05 2006. I don't even know where to begin. You call those still suffering unimaginable grief - fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, police and fire - "Nattering Nudniks of 9/11" and then tell them to "Shut. The. Fuck. Up." Fine, I expect that out of you, along with your childlike obsession with leet and "cunt" and all the rest. Beyond all that, you have the unmitigated gall to first state that you feel their pain and loss and then preface your comments "... with all due respect? You make me sick. If not shared by you, their concerns are still valid - the desire for a memorial that dramatically and spiritually reaches upward towards the heavens, that incorporates the footprints and columns in an appropriate and sensitive manner, that has safety as a prime consideration for effective access and egress, that lists the names of the dead in something other than a random pattern. Like you, I am eager to see a fitting tribute and the rebuilding of the sight in the near future. It is one thing to want to "move on and rebuild"; it is something else entirely to speak of a profound and solemn undertaking with an unconscionable and apalling lack of feeling. Remains hosed off of buildings and cleaned out of subway stations and sent to Taiwan as part of recycled metal? Sometimes things are better off left unsaid. Blame the process, fault the designers or the politicians or the PA or Silverstein, but leave the others to their grief. Have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame? How dare you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 23:59:25 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 23:00:05 2006. yu0 went to teh dark side with that one. b7 |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Mar 16 03:59:41 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 23:00:05 2006. 
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 16 04:32:20 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BIE on Thu Mar 16 03:59:41 2006. this is a job for""superchicken"" 
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Mar 16 07:42:15 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 23:00:05 2006. DIAF |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Mar 16 08:17:59 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Mar 16 07:42:15 2006.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 09:14:26 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Mar 15 23:58:29 2006. that incorporates the footprintsSo are you against part of the PATH station being over the footprint of the north tower? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Mar 16 10:14:29 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. Will the last one to leave New York please turn off the lights.We have the same "takes forever" syndrome here in Baltimore. In 1978 the Tower Building, a 1913 skyscraper on Baltimore Street at Guilford Avenue was torn down for a new, taller building. To this day, the site is a (what else) parking lot. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Mar 16 11:13:15 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 09:14:26 2006. I do not pretend to be as knowledgable of the revised plan as perhaps I should be, but the glass and steel structure (Sept 2005) seems on the face a thoughtful and practical design and fitting tribute. The WTC complex was a center of commerce and transport, as it should be once again - you get knocked down, you get back up. I appreciate the architectural constraints with respect to space, so no, I am not against the PATH station per se. Still, in a perfect world, I'd still prefer that the memorial occupy the footprint(s), just as the USS Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor sits atop the ship and the cemetery at Normandy sits atop the hill. No matter, my point is "their concerns" are as valid today as they were last year, and whether or not I agree is immaterial as I cannot fully appreciate "their loss". Finally, after sleeping on it and with apologies to those offended by my language, I do not regret directing my anger at that post(er). |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:08:51 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Mar 15 23:58:29 2006. Well, while I do have feelings, I do feel the relatives were interacting with Larry Silverstein, the City of New York, and the Port Authority in such a way as to produce such an enormous deadlock as to be counterproductive. While the "Nattering Nudniks of 9/11" may be right, they are nonetheless being annoying with their requests, just as Silverstein (may he diaf), Bloomberg, and the Port Authority are being annoying in their tug-of-war. All of them are nattering nudniks as well and ought to TRY a compromise instead of throwing hissy fits.That being said, the relatives of 9/11 victims deserve their memorials, and the 9/11 victims deserve their peace. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:10:09 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 16 04:32:20 2006. Like I care about what either of you just posted (BIE or Salaam). The point being? |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:12:52 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Mar 16 07:42:15 2006. (the match on the fire-stake under my feet fizzles)ALL RIGHT, FOLKS! I APOLOGIZE TO THE 9/11 VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES. GIVE IT A REST, ALREADY. |
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Pataki to Silverstein: Build Freedom Tower Now or We'll Build It |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:15:57 2006, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. That's what one real-estate paper is proclaiming Pataki said to Silverstein, anyway. |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Mar 16 19:07:50 2006, in response to Pataki to Silverstein: Build Freedom Tower Now or We'll Build It, posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:15:57 2006. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Mar 16 21:06:14 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:12:52 2006. Now for your pennance: Leave this place and never shall you return. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 16 21:20:17 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:10:09 2006. get a liferelax !! damnn dude |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 22:07:48 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Thu Mar 16 21:06:14 2006. shut up |
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Posted by L Train on Fri Mar 17 15:48:02 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BMTLines on Wed Mar 15 18:17:50 2006. I don't agree with them but I have compassion for them since they've been through so much. If I lost someone on 9/11 I'd feel the same way. |
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Posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 17 17:24:39 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 22:07:48 2006. you shut up |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 17 19:54:08 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 17 17:24:39 2006. 
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 17 22:09:37 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 23:00:05 2006.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 18 08:31:06 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 15 21:48:08 2006. Trinity Churchyard:
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 18 08:34:15 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by BMTLines on Wed Mar 15 18:17:50 2006. Agreed completely. While it's horrible what these people went through, you are absolutely correct. There will be a memorial. To build nothing is insane. The Europe example is a great analogy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 18 08:37:36 2006, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Mar 16 18:08:51 2006. And what better tribute to all those people than to rebuild. That means they didn't die in vain. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 6 23:49:30 2025, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. Weird how you haven't changed in eighteen years. |
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Re: Pataki to Silverstein: Build Freedom Tower Now or We'll Build It |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 6 23:50:21 2025, in response to Re: Pataki to Silverstein: Build Freedom Tower Now or We'll Build It, posted by BIE on Thu Mar 16 19:07:50 2006. Would you have wanted that now that he's POTUS? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 7 10:40:12 2025, in response to It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 15 10:55:04 2006. 19 years of brilliant posts. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 7 11:05:04 2025, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 7 10:40:12 2025. Little did I - or anyone else in the world - realize at the time that the need for office space would largely disappear forever in 2020. Moody's Investor Service recently reported that the nationwide vacancy rate for office space is the highest ever recorded at 20.4%. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 7 11:09:24 2025, in response to Re: It's now official - New York is doomed, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 7 11:05:04 2025. Uh huh |
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