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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 13:19:12 2016 How many inter borough bus routes are there? And what are the routes numbers? The only 2 I know are the M60 an Q44 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 28 13:35:40 2016, in response to New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 13:19:12 2016. There are many, which in some primitive societies means more than 2.The easiest way to catalog the obvious ones would be to get the bus maps on the MTA site and look at the bridges. The inter-borough bus routes will be shown crossing the bridge. That still leaves the Brooklyn/Queens routes that use a land crossing. Look at the boundary line on either the Brooklyn or Queens maps and go from there. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Dec 28 14:35:26 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 28 13:35:40 2016. don't forget the little bridges like Metropolitan/Grand, or the easy to overlook Rockaway Park/Riis Park to Brooklyn |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 28 14:46:10 2016, in response to New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 13:19:12 2016. I'll give a few: B24, 32, 39, 57. Q24, 54, 55,56 58, 59. I would have to look at individual depot rosters to give you more. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 14:54:31 2016, in response to New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 13:19:12 2016. Manhattan-Bronx: Bx: 9,* 12, 20, 7, 3, 11, 13, 35, 36, 33, 19, 15Bronx-Queens: Q44, Q50, Q100** Manhattan-Queens: M60, Q: 32, 60, 101, 102*** Manhattan-Brooklyn: B39 Brooklyn-Queens: B: 24, 32, 62, 57, 13, 20, 38, 52, 54****, 15. Q: 24, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 7, 8, 35. Staten Island-Brooklyn: S53, S79, S93. That's it for the local routes. All express routes run in at least two boroughs. *The Bx9 serves Marble Hill which is in the Borough of Manhattan. It doesn't serve Manhattan Island. **The Q100 serves Rikers Island which is in The Bronx, despite being connected by bridge only to Queens. ***The Q102 serves Roosevelt Island which is in the Borough of Manhattan. It doesn't serve Manhattan Island. ****The B52 and B54 only extend a block into Queens. The Q55 only extends a block into Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 15:02:40 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 14:54:31 2016. BONUS: Other intercounty routes (MTA routes only):Richmond-Hudson: S89 Queens-Nassau: Q36,* Q46, Q5, Q85, Q111,** Q113,*** Q114. Bronx-Westchester: Bx16,* BxM3**** *Only in one direction as the street it runs along briefly is the border. **Rarely ***Doesn't stop in Nassau ****Express Bus, also runs to New York County/Manhattan as all Bronx express buses do. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 28 15:42:01 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 14:54:31 2016. That is also a combination of TA routes, MABSTOA routes, and MTA Bus Company routes. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 15:51:43 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 28 13:35:40 2016. Good idea. Thanks. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 15:52:10 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 28 14:46:10 2016. Hey thanks a bunch. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 15:59:01 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 14:54:31 2016. Thanks very much. I have already ridden the S53, and the express route , which route number I forgot which runs down Grand Concourse to Manhattan. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 15:59:40 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 15:02:40 2016. Thank you for the bonus. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 28 18:16:30 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 15:59:01 2016. BxM1 |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 18:23:52 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 28 18:16:30 2016. OK Thank you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 21:31:51 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 28 18:16:30 2016. No. The BxM4 runs on the Concourse. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Dec 28 23:49:42 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 14:54:31 2016. I've always found it very strange that there is only one local bus route between Brooklyn and Manhattan. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 29 00:16:16 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Dec 28 23:49:42 2016. There used to be two. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 29 00:47:28 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Dec 28 23:49:42 2016. I've always found it very strange that there is only one local bus route between Brooklyn and Manhattan.Brooklyn and Manhattan were two separate cities before 1898. Each of their governments had awarded separate franchises for separate routes to separate companies. These franchises remained valid after consolidation. The Brooklyn Bridge operated its own railroad. Trolleys did not operate over the Brooklyn Bridge until after consolidation. The Brooklyn trolleys ran only to an off-street terminal at Park Row. The Williamsburg and Manhattan Bridges allowed existing Brooklyn trolleys to operate to a terminal in Manhattan and existing Manhattan street cars to operate to a terminal on the Brooklyn side. The various franchises awarded before consolidation remained intact. The same was used for the Queensboro Bridge. New York City had annexed the Bronx before consolidation. The problem of exclusive franchises awarded by two separate governments did not exist. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 29 02:23:48 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Dec 28 23:49:42 2016. The large number of subway routes might be one reason. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 29 10:07:29 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 21:31:51 2016. Thank you Spider-Pig, you are correct. |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 12:50:11 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 29 10:07:29 2016. Sorry, I mixed it up with Bx1. |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 12:52:05 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 29 00:16:16 2016. I rode the B51 several times during the afternoon hours.Had seniors and wheelchair riders and some Chinese going to Chinatown. Also some looked like a few city workers trying to avoid the subway. |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 12:53:03 2016, in response to New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 13:19:12 2016. Also Wikipedia has the history of the bus route numbers and routes. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 29 12:58:46 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 12:50:11 2016. That's cool. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 29 12:59:41 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 12:53:03 2016. Really? Can you possibly provide a link? |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 18:14:59 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Dec 29 12:59:41 2016. For example, I just went there after seeing your post and typed in Brooklyn NY bus routes, and the history page turned up. Take a crack at it yourself. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 29 18:35:24 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 28 15:59:01 2016. The BxM4 serves the Grand Concourse. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 30 00:39:10 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 14:54:31 2016. Just a slight rearrangement of the routes you listed.Manhattan-Bronx: Bx3, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, 19, 20, 33, 35, 36 Bronx-Queens: Q44, Q50, Q100 Manhattan-Queens: M60, Q32, Q60, Q101, Q102 Manhattan-Brooklyn: B39 Brooklyn-Queens: B13, 15, 20, 24, 26, 32, 38, 52, 54, 57, 62. Q7, 8, 24, 35, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59. Staten Island-Brooklyn: S53, S79, S93. Staten Island-Hudson (NJ): S89. Queens-Nassau: Q5, Q36, Q46, Q85, Q111, Q113, Q114. Bronx-Westchester: Bx16, BxM3 Express Routes serving Two Boroughs before Entering Manhattan Below 125th Street: BM5 (Brooklyn-Queens), BxM1 (Bronx, Inwood), X17 (SI-BK) I added Bx6 and B26 to the list in their appropriate places. Bx6 is omitted, but runs along 155th Street in Manhattan. B26 is included as it runs along Wyckoff Avenue at a portion of that street which serves as the Brooklyn-Queens border. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 30 07:42:24 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 30 00:39:10 2016. I skipped Bx6 accidentally. I skipped B26 purposely because it runs on the Brooklyn side of the street. None of its stops are in Queens. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 30 08:59:12 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by B1bus on Thu Dec 29 18:14:59 2016. lol |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Dec 30 09:42:26 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 30 00:39:10 2016. Thank you. |
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Posted by B1bus on Fri Dec 30 18:51:53 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 30 00:39:10 2016. Staten Island -Brooklyn S93 (weekdays only)Staten Island -Brooklyn X17 (weekends only) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 30 22:02:42 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by B1bus on Fri Dec 30 18:51:53 2016. Why does the X17 stop in Brooklyn? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 30 22:39:31 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 30 22:02:42 2016. To provide service in Bay Ridge after weekend X28 service was discontinued. The X28 has since been restored, but the X17 continues to stop in Bay Ridge.Some posters on NYCTF noted that some people use it to travel between Brooklyn and Staten Island, even at the express fare. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 31 04:26:18 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 15:02:40 2016. The Q113 local stops in Inwood in Nassau County. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 31 04:39:43 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 28 15:02:40 2016. The Q113 makes one stop in Nassau county on Rockaway Tnpk. by Costco. The other stop on Rockaway Tnpk. by IHOP is in Queens. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 31 04:44:16 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 31 04:26:18 2016. There's no more Q113 local. It was replaced by the Q114. The Q113 is only a limited and only operates days and evenings. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 31 04:54:34 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 30 22:39:31 2016. Probably because they feel it's worth the convenience of a one seat express ride to Richmond Avenue on the X17 as oppose to a two seat local ride on the S53 and the S44. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 31 05:07:03 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 30 00:39:10 2016. The BXM4A/B used to stop at 125th Street. Did they discontinue this? If so, when? Thanks. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Dec 31 09:22:27 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 31 05:07:03 2016. The BxM4 still stops at 125th, as part of its Manhattan zone (drop-off only southbound, pick-up only northbound, the latter at 123rd). That last category is a little odd but what I think he is trying to say is that the BxM1 serves both Bronx and Manhattan before crossing over to its other "zone." In other words, the southbound BxM1 does pickups in the Bronx and in Upper Manhattan, and then goes to drop-off mode later in Manhattan. That's why I think he used 125th St as the boundary. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 31 16:45:59 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 31 04:54:34 2016. Forget the one-seat ride: Time-wise it's less than 15 minutes to get to Bay Ridge by the X17, compared to almost an hour on the S62-S53 (from my neighborhood, and the S44 would be even longer) |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Dec 31 17:31:25 2016, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 31 16:45:59 2016. It seems convenient based on that. I'm sure there are loads of transit hacks like that.I don't remember there being any official word that the Bay Ridge stop is only for travel to/from Manhattan. The timetable is vague on this. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jan 1 00:53:06 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Dec 31 17:31:25 2016. Basically, what happened is that in September 2012, they decided to add Sunday service to the X17, but have it gain a little ridership by picking up some old X28 riders on both Saturday & Sunday.They realized that there were a decent amount of people using the 86th Street stop for SI-Brooklyn travel (all buses have to stop there Manhattan-bound. Towards Staten Island, you had some B/Os that would bypass it if nobody was getting off). Lately, all the B/Os I've seen have been stopping there on the outbound trip (and a good thing too, because every time, I've seen at least 1 person board the bus who would've otherwise been waiting for the next bus on those long headways). Yeah, if anything I would say 86th Street ridership is actually a bit heavier towards SI than towards Manhattan. (Likely because of the availability of alternatives like the X28 and (R) train). I will say that another express bus where I've seen a decent amount of people use it like a local bus is the X10 (I've done it myself, actually). Not on a consistent basis like at the X17 Brooklyn stop, but a decent amount. (It also helps that Fingerboard is an official express bus transfer point). |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 1 01:09:49 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 31 16:45:59 2016. That's why I said "one seat EXPRESS ride as opposed to a two seat LOCAL ride." |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 1 09:37:38 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jan 1 00:53:06 2017. Would you or anyone else know how common it was for BM riders to transfer to the B103 for Downtown Brooklyn, thus getting there from the outer reaches of Brooklyn "in style" at the express bus pricing? I understand this was the point of the B103 originally with Command - to take BM1 - 4 riders and shuttle them Downtown as an alternative to Manhattan. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jan 1 10:36:16 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 1 09:37:38 2017. The B-103 was a premium fare route with limited stops. The fare was more than regular, but less than express. Triboro Q-53 Woodside-Rockaway is another example. There were also zone fare routes such as Green Q-60 and Jamaica Q-113. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 1 10:45:59 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by northshore on Sun Jan 1 10:36:16 2017. But for the B-103 a free transfer from an express bus at Church Ave / E 7 St allowed anyone from Mill Basin, Sheepshead Bay, and Gerritsen Beach, as opposed to only Canarsie, to get to Downtown Brooklyn via Command Bus, and presumably more comfortably than using local bus / subway, right? I remember hearing that the only reason the B-103 went to Canarsie as opposed to the other BM destinations is that it was nearest the depot, but the route was meant for all BM branches to get to Downtown Brooklyn.How did the zone fares work for the Q60 / Q113? Did the bus operator keep track of zones traveled? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 1 10:53:14 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by northshore on Sun Jan 1 10:36:16 2017. When were zone fares charged on the Q60 and the Q113? When were they discontinued? |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jan 1 11:54:37 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 1 10:53:14 2017. The zones (and Whitestone Bridge surcharges on the Q44 and QBx1) were discontinued when one of the fare increases were implemented.Around 1980? |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jan 1 11:56:48 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 1 10:45:59 2017. When a passenger paid the fare the driver issued paper tickets. When it got to the fare zone change, the driver parked the bus and came around and collected the ticket. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 1 12:34:22 2017, in response to Re: New York Bus Question, posted by northshore on Sun Jan 1 11:56:48 2017. Thanks. Do you remember the zone boundaries for those Queen routes by chance?BTW what does NJT do nowadays regarding zone-based fare collection? I haven't used their buses in a long time. I remember it being at least somewhat reliant on the honor system. |
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