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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 27 16:44:51 2023, in response to NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 14:03:19 2023. Will there be an acquisition by NJT, either of tangible property (e.g., parts, real estate) or of operating authority? What will happen to the employees? Are there any owner-operators? |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Sep 27 19:26:22 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 27 16:44:51 2023. I don't know the ONE story, but A & C announced they were shutting down months ago. Their buses are leased from NJT so that's easy. Not sure about employees. NJT is recruiting for bus positions, so that may work out. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 20:25:33 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by BusMgr on Wed Sep 27 16:44:51 2023. Reportedly, Coach USA offered the excess ONE employees transfer opportunities within the organization (Olympia, Community, ShortLine, Suburban, and MegaBus would be the likely destinations), but many turned it down. I would imagine NJT will hire as many ONE and A&C drivers as they can, since they're already tight with their own staff.There's no word on NJT acquiring the A&C property. Neither operation is an IBOA like the old days, so no owner/operators involved. NJT is just acquiring ownership of the routes at this point. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Sep 28 10:07:46 2023, in response to NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 14:03:19 2023. I knew NJ Transit would bend the knee and take over these routes. The neighborhoods are too dense and transit-dependent to lose such essential services.On a side note, I wonder if A&C at one ever thought about extending one of their routes to EWR or Elizabeth in an effort to boost revenue. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Sep 28 12:11:57 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Sep 28 10:07:46 2023. Wasn't NJT bending... it was Trenton - they had to provide the money because it wasn't in NJT's budget to add all that service. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Sep 28 15:19:36 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 20:25:33 2023. One difficulty could be the amount of seniority possessed by the ONE and A&C drivers. They might not want to start their careers all over again from the bottom.When ONE was first formed there was permit-swapping among ONE, NJT, and other private companies. With the present situation I do not know if there is (will be) an abandonment of permits by ONE and A&C that might allow NJT to swoop in and just take the routes, or if ONE and A&V have property rights in the permits and will sell the permits to NJT. Several years ago, the private companies in New York City had property rights in their routes, and the City of New York bought out those rights. But New York law may be different from New Jersey law. |
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Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sat Sep 30 02:02:47 2023, in response to NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 14:03:19 2023. NJT press release:NJ TRANSIT TO IMPLEMENT EMERGENCY STABILIZATION BUS SERVICE FOR A&C AND O.N.E CUSTOMERS - NJT Press Release Sep 29 2023 |
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Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 21:29:16 2023, in response to Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Sat Sep 30 02:02:47 2023. The 24 will wear NJT logos again. Haven't seen that in a few decades. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 21:37:43 2023, in response to NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 14:03:19 2023. Weird that they bring the route number 14 back to Hudson County. Wasn't that the former route number of the 81? |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 02:13:32 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 21:37:43 2023. Yep. |
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Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 02:14:09 2023, in response to Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 21:29:16 2023. 24 and 44 were traded to ONE in 1986. |
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Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 1 09:35:15 2023, in response to Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 02:14:09 2023. Thanks |
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Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sun Oct 1 14:08:47 2023, in response to Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 02:14:09 2023. When I was reading the NJT notice, the word "new" did catch my eye. More accurately a "reinstatement" of an old route, more so than a "new route." Perhaps the notice was written by marketing people that do not possess the institutional memory.As to route 31, did Public Service/TNJ or NJT ever have any permits to operate buses along that route? I don't think so but I am not certain. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 1 16:14:04 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 02:13:32 2023. The route number 14 is also applicable to a former branch of route 13 in Essex County that's the main part of route 39 now. |
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Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 1 16:15:48 2023, in response to Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 02:14:09 2023. That's right. The former nighttime 44 service to Erie Loop stopped at that time too, or was it before? |
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Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun Oct 1 17:23:19 2023, in response to Re: Now official - NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by BusMgr on Sun Oct 1 14:08:47 2023. PS/TNJ had full rights to the 31, but TNJ dropped the line prior to NJT. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Oct 4 15:23:14 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 1 16:14:04 2023. It's also applicable to a route proposed in the NewBus Newark redesign (Kearny Point shuttle). For that matter, so are the 8 and 9 (The 8 is the eastern section of the present-day 34, and the 9 is a combination of the Wilson Avenue section of the 25 with an extra segment along Raymond Blvd). Presumably those routes will be renumbered once they redo the NewBus Newark plan (since now they will officially have to consider the 24, 31, and 44, since they will be NJT routes at that time). |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Oct 7 22:16:28 2023, in response to NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 14:03:19 2023. The 24A will be relabeled to 24E (southbound) and 24S (northbound). The 24B will be relabeled to 24J (southbound) and 24H (northbound). Presumably those refer to Elizabeth Avenue, Jersey Avenue, Scotland Road, and Harrison Street. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 9 17:08:54 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Oct 7 22:16:28 2023. That'll be confusing. But I guess they want to be free to able to run Elizabeth Avenue buses on Harrison Street, East Jersey Street buses on Scotland Road, etc. etc, which will result in both 24E and 24J buses running down both Scotland Road and Harrison Street in Orange and 24S and 24H buses running on both East Jersey Street and Elizabeth Avenue in Elizabeth . . . like I said, it'll be confusing; fixing what is not broken. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Oct 10 15:10:39 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 9 17:08:54 2023. There's no need to tie together the use of one branch or the other in Orange to the use of a "matching" branch in Elizabeth. For the most part, all the traffic on route 24 turns over in Newark, and there's no real connection between the Orange service and the Elizabeth service. Service allocation along each of the branches in Orange and Elizabeth should be independently, based on traffic conditions within each of the two cities.If NJT wants to use suffixes to help define route paths, then perhaps it would be best for it to use two letters, one for each of Orange and Elizabeth. For example, from Orange to Elizabeth use suffixes SE, SJ, HE, and HJ; and from Elizabeth to Orange use suffixes ES, EH, JS, and JH (if any trips were to short-turn in Newark, then use only a single letter suffix). |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 12 00:16:39 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by BusMgr on Tue Oct 10 15:10:39 2023. ONE eventually adapted 24A and 24B. No need to fix what isn't broken.If it were up to me though (and it isn't), I would have renumbered the Scotland Road/Elizabeth Avenue branch as route 23, since that was the number of the old subway-surface Newark Subway route that ran on Central Avenue. But then after that, there came the 23 in Hudson County that was the short-turn Boulevard East route between Hoboken and North Bergen (which NJT got from Academy Bus; a branch of route 22 AFAICR). |
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Question about route 24 Orange-Elizabeth (was NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 16 14:48:52 2023, in response to NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 27 14:03:19 2023. I never found out a reason why the bus route was moved from Oakwood Avenue one street east onto Harrison Street, in Orange, in the 1990s. |
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Re: Question about route 24 Orange-Elizabeth (was NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes) |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Oct 16 17:09:25 2023, in response to Question about route 24 Orange-Elizabeth (was NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 16 14:48:52 2023. I can only guess it was either a vehicle maneuverability issue (Oakwood being more narrow than Harrison), or ONE felt Harrison would provide more passenger movement with all the apartment buildings. |
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Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Oct 21 16:28:46 2023, in response to Re: NJT to take over A&C and ONE Bus routes, posted by BusMgr on Tue Oct 10 15:10:39 2023. There's no point in complicating the overall network. Ridership is relatively similar between the two branches, so they might as well match an Orange branch with an Elizabeth branch and call it a day. |
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