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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Aug 31 19:03:38 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 31 17:46:35 2021. And that's my point. You shouldn't just say "Well the stop needs to be directly by the ridership generator so therefore we're just going to cluster all of the stops in this one area". Maybe the previous stop can be eliminated and you have a 1200 or 1500 foot gap in that direction...not the end of the world.It needs to work both ways. Yes, the needs of seniors and the disabled need to be accompdated, but at the same time the network needs to be usable for those who are younger and in a hurry. If there are specific stops near senior centers/senior apartment complexes or near high concentrations of seniors in general that are being eliminated that's one thing, but to just blindly say that stop consolidation is bad is disingenuous. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Sep 1 01:34:33 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by Snilcher on Tue Aug 31 11:13:00 2021. An innocent overlook on my part, RIP!The biggest hurdle is Atlantic Avenue, very few streets in the area transverse Atlantic Avenue for some reason, although I'm pretty sure the MTA has the pull to create a couple of new intersections through it for a bus route if they really wanted to. The lack of two-way streets that cross Atlantic Avenue between Pennsylvania Avenue and Logan Street would make this route a lot more meandering than I would like. My route would look something like this though: From New Lots: Ashford, Sutter, Berriman, Atlantic, Essex, Fulton, Logan, Jamaica, Highland, Vermont From Highland Park: Vermont, Highland, Jamaica, Norwood, Fulton, Arlington, Highland, Atlantic, Montauk, Liberty, Shepherd, Sutter, Cleveland, New Lots, Ashford The area around Ashford Street and Fulton Street also seems to have higher job density and would ideally have some sort of north-south bus coverage through it as well, but for this route to serve that area, it would have to meander through the neighborhood even more, so I passed on that idea for now. |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Sep 1 01:53:50 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 31 00:32:18 2021. They also had plans to extend the Rockaway Park line all the way down Newport Avenue to Beach 149th Street, meaning that the two lines could have eventually been connected relatively easily. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 1 12:35:29 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Aug 31 19:03:38 2021. I disagree. Let’s say you have a major traffic generator like Kings County Hospital and to prevent any stops closer than 750 feet, the stop by the hospital is set as 200 or 300 feet from the entrance instead of directly in front of it, in my opinion is ridiculous, forcing hundreds or thousands of people to walk extra unnecessarily. I would rather the stop be directly in front of the hospital even if the next stop has to be 500 feet away.It’s like when they rerouted the B36 straight along Avenue Z a few years ago to speed trips for through riders, and forcing half the riders passing that stop by the Sheepshead Bay Station to walk and extra 300 feet and possibly miss connections increasing their trip time. Replacing the bus stop by the subway with a taxi stand wasn’t the way to encourage mass transit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 1 15:03:57 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 1 12:35:29 2021. On the other hand, the need to turn onto SBR, particularly westbound where it involved a left turn was sufficiently time consuming that it was faster for a lot of people to walk. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Sep 1 18:29:38 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 1 12:35:29 2021. Again, these are guidelines, not absolutes. Generally speaking, they should try to avoid spacing stops closer than 750 feet apart. If the previous stop is a transfer point and the next stop is by the main entrance to a hospital, then yes, those stops should probably be right at those respective locations.As for the B36, the longer walk might make someone miss their connection, or it might make someone walk during the time they would've spent waiting anyway, so statistically, it's a wash, unless the schedule was written so that the buses are timed/scheduled to barely miss the train, which isn't the case |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 07:38:44 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 1 15:03:57 2021. I don’t see how it was time consuming. At most, the time was equal, and I think most preferred to ride and just cross the street rather than run a block which is dangerous when someone is doing it on a red light.I took a video of the bus turning eastbound on a weekday at 6PM before it was discontinued a week before and only about 30 seconds was added to the trip. There was zero traffic congestion. DOT was claiming much traffic congestion. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 07:41:39 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Sep 1 18:29:38 2021. At least we agree that there needs to be exceptions to the 750 feet rule.I never said you always miss your connection, just that it was a possibility. An unnecessary possibility that helps no one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 2 13:16:05 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 07:38:44 2021. But that was with the old system where you either got off before 17th and walked all the way from there or the current system where you get to 15th faster and walk from there. I’ll admit that it’s speculation and I wouldn’t trust the MTA claiming that it’s better. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 15:15:51 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 2 13:16:05 2021. Under the old system you never got off at 17th. There was a stop on the far side of 15th. So you just had to cross the street and walk like 50 feet to the entrance.If you just miss a bus at night and lose 20 minutes, it would take 20 passengers on a through bus to counterbalance that. If a bus has 40 passengers and 20 get off for the subway, if those getting off just miss a train and lose ten minutes each, That's 200 collective minutes lost and 20 minutes gained. It would take ten buses with no one missing a connection to balance out the bus where a connection is missed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 2 16:14:59 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 15:15:51 2021. Of course you didn’t get off at 17th because it was too far. The point being is that the bus gets to its new stop (supposedly) faster, possibly canceling out the added walk. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 17:35:21 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 2 16:14:59 2021. I have no idea what you are trying to say. What new stop? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 18:54:10 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 17:35:21 2021. The stop on Avenue Z and East 15th as opposed to Sheepshead Bay Road & East 15th. You might walk an extra minute but if the bus gets there a minute faster, it's a net neutral even for those people. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 18:55:39 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 07:41:39 2021. And there is a possibly that you miss your connection even when the stop is a block closer. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 20:25:35 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 18:55:39 2021. Yes, but removing the stop increases that possibility. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 2 20:38:49 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 18:54:10 2021. Thank you. Was that really hard to understand? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 22:14:20 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 20:25:35 2021. No it doesn't. Mathematically, it's simply not true. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 22:54:12 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 22:14:20 2021. How so? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 3 11:46:57 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 2 20:25:35 2021. You also increase the possibility of people missing their connections at a subway station further down the line because of all of the extra bus stops if you don't remove some. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 3 14:11:39 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by mtk52983 on Fri Sep 3 11:46:57 2021. I never was opposed to removing bus stops on a case by case basis. What I oppose is a general rule that no bus stops can be closer than every 750 feet and bus stop that are 650 feet apart, for example, should be spaced every other block at every 1,300 feet instead without, ever examining what the maximum walk to a bus stop would be in those cases, Perhaps 3/4 mile or more when the standard walk to a local bus stop is 1/4 of a mile.The average local bus trip is 2.3 miles. It's ridiculous that your walk to and from to a bus should be almost as long as the bus ride itself. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 3 20:05:40 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 3 14:11:39 2021. And maybe the average trip is only 2.3 miles because people making longer trips avoid the bus because it's so slow. If you spaced the stops out every 250 feet, the average trip would likely be much less than 2.3 miles, and if you spaced the stops out every 2500 feet, the average trip would likely be much more than 2.3 mile.Also, is that 2.3 mile figure for linked trips or unlinked trips? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Sep 3 20:28:25 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 1 12:35:29 2021. Yes, buses should stop as close as possible to major destinations like hospitals, or even subway stations. One glaring example of where they don't is on North Conduit Ave. in front of the Aqueduct/North Conduit station, where the B15 goes right by and doesn't stop there or anywhere close. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 4 10:32:18 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Sep 3 20:28:25 2021. When I was Director of Bus Planning in 1981, I saw a sign saying the new escalator would be in operation in five days. So I had DOT move the bus stop one block to stop in front of the escalator. They obliged and the new bus stop was there the same day the escalator opened.If I wasn’t there, the bus stop might still be a block away today if nobody complained. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Sep 7 05:15:33 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 4 10:32:18 2021. Thanks, BrooklynBus |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 7 08:28:34 2021, in response to Re: But on long routes...., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 2 18:54:10 2021. But that’s not true in the opposite direction . |
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Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Sep 8 17:10:06 2021, in response to I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 24 10:25:17 2021. Union Turnpike was on several months ago with Greg Mocker about LGA airtrain and Q70 but did not want to publicize himself. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 8 17:57:30 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by B1bus on Wed Sep 8 17:10:06 2021. That's his business. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 8 17:58:34 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by B1bus on Wed Sep 8 17:10:06 2021. He obviously told some people. |
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Posted by B1bus on Fri Sep 10 21:26:13 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 8 17:58:34 2021. I saw it and emailed him and he emailed me back. If i wouldn;t have seen it, i wouldn't have known about it.If i were him, i would have posted it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 10 23:44:02 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by B1bus on Fri Sep 10 21:26:13 2021. That would be cool if your friend Union Turnpike posted it.:) Thanks ,B1bus |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 11 08:59:53 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by B1bus on Fri Sep 10 21:26:13 2021. He probably doesn’t people to know his real name. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Sep 11 09:57:04 2021, in response to Re: I was on Channel 11 last night with Greg Mocker, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 11 08:59:53 2021. Ok, some people do that on chat boards to remain anonymous! Not a problem! |
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