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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 12 20:29:18 2018, in response to Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by BusRider on Wed Sep 12 20:15:45 2018. If they studied the system so thoroughly, why are all these repeated changes necessary ? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Sep 12 23:37:39 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 12 20:29:18 2018. Theoretically good ideas don't always work in reality. They did a lot of good things, but they might not operationally be working. The routes are "good" for the most part, but the schedule integration is trash. Off-peak scheduling has to be coordinated with peak scheduling.I would have integrated the super express buses from the Mall with something else, making the Mall a top off point. Having said that, I believe the SIM8X will survive. I do not believe the SIM4X will survive. If the MTA went to a smaller schedule for working holidays, they could boost off-peak service directly to certain places instead of instituting shuttles. However, shuttles could be useful for boosting late evening services in numerous places. You could run an SIM1 and have weaker routes have shuttle buses meet certain later runs at the bridge. It is an extra transfer, but it would be a timed transfer and that might be acceptable. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Thu Sep 13 05:16:39 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by JAzumah on Wed Sep 12 23:37:39 2018. They should extend the off peak & weekend SIM2 running as SIM2c to Midtown Manhattan. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 13 13:27:59 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by Chicago44 on Thu Sep 13 05:16:39 2018. Although I haven't lived in Annadale/Huguenot since 2001, I can see that the SIM 2 needs a longer span of service, both weekdays and weekends. Doing that would enable elimination of the shuttle they're running along the lower reaches of the SIM 8 on weeknights. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 13 13:33:35 2018, in response to Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by BusRider on Wed Sep 12 20:15:45 2018. I've personally observed decent ridership on the SIM 4x (as well as the 8x). Even if those buses don't fill up, getting them to 1/3 full or so takes a lot of pressure of the regular SIM 4/8.I suspect SIMs 5x & 6x (and especially the 5x) are toast- I don't see that enough people will ride even from upper Hylan to make them worthwhile. Perhaps eliminate the SIM 5/6x and create a SIM 9 - it can run similarly to, or even replicate the old x4. This helps relieve pressure on the SIM 1 and also helps people from Midland Beach get to lower Downtown and Brookfield Place.. Call it the SIM 9... (which would almost reverse the old x7/9...) |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 13 19:47:00 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 13 13:33:35 2018. That's actually going to happen. They posted on social media they will create a Father Capodanno branch of the SIM7 called the SIM9. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Thu Sep 13 20:13:54 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 13 19:47:00 2018. When will this SIM9 begin. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 14 07:12:03 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Sep 13 19:47:00 2018. What sort of microwave did they project into my brain to get that idea!!!But seriously- do you know what, if any, service will be reduced create the SIM 9? With all the extra runs they've added since 8/19, are they running out of buses and/or operators? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 14 19:56:28 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 14 07:12:03 2018. If I had to guess, they would eliminate the SIM5X & SIM6X. Maybe they'll bring back New Dorp short-turns on some of the Hylan routes to save enough buses/drivers to run the SIM9.The SIM3C honestly should run every 30 minutes when it runs (with the SIM4C seeing a significant boost), so that still requires more resources in the end. Here's an article that was posted: https://www.silive.com/news/2018/09/mta_express_bus_changes_new_si.html I hope it's true that the SIM4C will depart Midtown until 2:15am. Maybe they realized that when you combine the busiest portions of the X10 & X17, you need X1 levels of service, including on the span (Still not 24/7, but close to it). Hopefully they didn't forget about weekend service, since I suspect that would only apply to weekdays. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Sep 15 14:39:38 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 14 19:56:28 2018. I also suspect SIMS 5x/6x are doomed. They were from the get-go.And they definitely, definitely need more SIM 4Cs |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Sat Sep 15 14:43:43 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Sep 15 14:39:38 2018. South Shore residents will get later service thanks to in part by extending the SIM4c buses to Huguenot Av & Woodrow Rd.It mentiones from the SI Advance that the SIM4c will go until 2:15am, does that mean that the last bus from Midtown leaves at 2:15am or 1:00am to arrive at Huguenot Av & Woodrow Rd at 2:15am. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 15 16:07:57 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 14 07:12:03 2018. According to a friend of mine who was just recently hired as a B/O in SI, he is picking up seniority like crazy due to all the new hires coming in behind him. |
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Posted by Q23 on Sat Sep 15 19:04:23 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by Chicago44 on Sat Sep 15 14:43:43 2018. It might be the latter. When they announced the south Shore shuttle, the end time of the shuttle was around the time the last bus would arrive Hugenot & Woodrow. I don't see the MTA giving the SIM4C service that late (yet). |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Sep 16 00:03:13 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by Chicago44 on Sat Sep 15 14:43:43 2018. If I had to guess, it was a typo and they meant 1:15am from Midtown like the old X10 (If it was 1am from Midtown with a 2:15am arrival at the ETC or Huguenot, that would still be a span reduction for X10 riders along Gannon & Victory) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Sep 16 00:04:30 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by Chicago44 on Thu Sep 13 05:16:39 2018. No they shouldn't. With all the parades going on, it's good that they finally have a Downtown-only bus on the weekends that avoids the detours and delays. If anybody needs to catch the SIM2 they can take the subway Downtown, or take the SIM1C/3X/4C, X27/28, or BM1/2/3/4 |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 16 20:28:50 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Sep 16 00:03:13 2018. But better than what they gave us on 8/19 |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 21 00:58:45 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Sep 16 00:04:30 2018. Civic Connect page updated again. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 21 07:18:24 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 21 00:58:45 2018. Yep, and as some us predicted, the SIMs 5x and 6x are (or will be) toast. That was unsurprising. Regarding the new SIM 9, basically, they've restored the old x7/9, but reversed their positions on Hylan/Fr. Capodano.Now, I have a question about something the MTA and SI Advance are leaving unsaid- with an earlier PM start to the SI-bound SIM 3c (6:30 instead of 8:00 PM), does that mean that service spans of the SI-bound SIMs 3 and 34 will be shortened? They did slip in that there will be fewer SI-bound SIM 10s... |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 21 22:13:39 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 21 07:18:24 2018. Well the SIM3 I can almost guarantee would be shortened, since their original strategy was to take the SIM10 trips in the morning (from 4-5am) and send them up as SIM1C trips to cover the gap Downtown. I think they were trying to match the old X14 span (which got to 5th & 40th at 6:31pm, so the last SIM3 would probably leave at 6:15pm or so and get to 40th Street around 6:36pm)Assuming they don't cut the span of the SIM10, saavy riders would still be able to take the SIM10 to Fingerboard Road to catch an earlier SIM3C (or the S93/SIM15/SIM35 depending on where exactly they're going and the exact time they're traveling). Of course, there's the possibility they could quietly cut the SIM10 span back to 6:45pm (that was when the last X7/9 left Central Park South) or 6:50pm (last X2 from 57th & 3rd) and convert those trips to SIM1C trips to fill the gap in the Union Square area. If they keep the SIM10 span the same and don't add any SIM1C trips, then there's still an hour gap of Hylan service in the Greenwich Village area after the last SIM7 leaves at 7:30pm. Of course, riders can take the SIM3C to Fingerboard for the SIM1 or S79 (or just take the subway to the SIM1) if that is the case. It looks like the SIM3C span was designed to get Downtown just after the last SIM34 (95 minutes earlier from 8:32pm is 6:57pm, but then you add at least 12 minutes because from CPS to 23rd takes 29 minutes on the 6:20pm trip compared to 17 minutes on the 8pm trip). So you're up to 7:09pm. One of the things they promised was that on the Staten Island end, if your neighborhood had express service until a certain time, they would keep that span of service. Mariners Harbor lost about an hour and a half worth of Downtown service (And being closely involved with the community, a lot of them don't mind taking the subway Downtown to catch the bus) with the SIM34 having the last Worth Street departure at 7pm instead of 8:31pm . The only thing I can think of is that they will either make further adjustments with the SIM3C/34, or they will give them the service by means of extending the SIM33 to help out the SIM4C. Granted, the S48/98 aren't too bad as far as Staten Island local buses go, but still, one of the major talking points of this new system was longer spans and more frequent service. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 14:02:12 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 15 16:07:57 2018. Always a good thing. In my agency, we had a hiring burst in 1993 (when I came on), then a LONNNGG hiring freeze lasting into the early 2000s, then a lot of retirements. When they finally hired people again, I moved up quick seniority-wise (promotions, another story, LOL). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 14:04:21 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 21 22:13:39 2018. Well, they outright said they're going to eliminate some underused SIM 10s, and to accommodate all the other increases, they'll have to cut something else as well. I think some shoulder-period SIM 3 and 34s are toast as well. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 15:59:50 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Sep 21 22:13:39 2018. Well, they outright said they're going to eliminate some underused SIM 10s, and to accommodate all the other increases, they'll have to cut something else as well. I think some shoulder-period SIM 3 and 34s are toast as well. |
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Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Sep 23 22:21:56 2018, in response to Re: Staten Island Express Bus Restructuring, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 14:04:21 2018. The span of the new routes was a big issue. Those SIM34 buses aren't going anywhere.I heard a lot of trips were cut from the SIM5/6 (in addition to the SIM5X/6X trips) |
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