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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed May 16 19:50:18 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:16:12 2018. Remember the argument for the Q52/53 at Atlantic Avenue regarding the chances of missing a bus. As an average, it balances out. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 20:29:15 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Wed May 16 14:45:07 2018. That's fine I'm just giving observations of the operation of the line. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 20:36:25 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 16 15:39:54 2018. Interesting points. I wonder how that arrangement worked out in 1972. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 21:04:52 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:16:12 2018. Decent post |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:31:08 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 00:43:58 2018. Those two trips are nothing but school trippers. If you notice, there is a note 1 next to the 7:46am out of Roxbury during weekdays. At the bottom of the schedule it tells you what it indicates. The trip is shaded in gray. If you notice both Breezy trips and several others are shaded in gray, which indicates school trippers.You can rest assure the only reason that one trip in and one trip out of Breezy Point is to get those kids to/from school. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:36:04 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 14 09:20:33 2018. You are right. That is why they have their own transit system. You see the NYC Ferry Shuttle Bus doesn't go there. The residents of Breezy Point were among the hardest advocates for the Ferry, but not that shuttle. Granted some residents want the shuttle, but not the powers that be. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 00:05:29 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:31:08 2018. Agreed |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 00:06:14 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:36:04 2018. Perhaps only a Rockawaite like you and I understand. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 00:09:04 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:36:04 2018. and that is not a disparaging remark toward anyone that has participated in this thread at all. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 03:05:04 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 00:09:04 2018. I understand but I’m not a Rockawayite. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 04:53:59 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:31:08 2018. The trips may operate only on school days, but the trips are not restricted to carrying only students. Anyone going to or from Breezy Point would be carried. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 04:59:03 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:36:04 2018. You are getting to the very point. Should decisions as to the provision (or non-provision) of public transportation be made in the open, with full public participation? Or by public administrators, based on their own perceptions of what "should" and "should not" be the case, or by persons with political power, based possibly on arbitrary, capricious, or even corrupt criteria? What is important is the process by which decisions are made, through community and taxpayer involvement, more important than the substantive decision that is eventually made. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 07:06:42 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 03:05:04 2018. I know you're not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 08:14:34 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed May 16 19:50:18 2018. Refresh my memory. But I'm not sure this situation is comparable. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 08:22:07 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed May 16 19:47:25 2018. Yes. I did the calculations too quickly. But since it's a little more than 2.5 miles it's probably 16 mph which is still probably one of the fastest local bus routes in the city. So the point still applies, that if you want to focus on speeding bus routes, this would not be the first route you would target to eliminate bus stops and even if you did, the average speed would not increase. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 08:45:20 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 03:05:04 2018. I know you're not. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 09:27:12 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:01:25 2018. On paper, it will. Planners are only concerned with that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 09:31:43 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed May 16 22:36:04 2018. Do the "powers that be" function as a de facto condo board, think they have a gated community of private roads ? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 12:34:14 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 09:31:43 2018. It’s a coöp board. The residents do not own their homes in fee simple. And the streets are gated. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 15:03:03 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:16:12 2018. your chance of just missing a bus also increasesThere is the probability of "missing a bus," but there is also the probability of reducing one's at-stop waiting time. Or stated another way, the average waiting time for a bus is the same, one-half of the route headway, regardless of the amount of time spent walking to any bus stop. Weekday midday headway on route Q22 is ten minutes, and on average I would have to wait 5 minutes for a Q22 bus to arrive, regardless if it takes me one minute to walk from home to the nearest Q22 bus stop, or if takes me twenty minutes to walk from home to the nearest Q22 bus stop. Even if bus headways are not well-maintained, and it takes, on average, 10 minutes for a Q22 bus to arrive, it is the same 10 minutes regardless of the amount of time I spend walking to the closest Q22 bus stop. The probabilities are the same. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 17:07:05 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 15:03:03 2018. Is there an efficient way to make the Q35 loop back in front of the subway station, like loop back down by the Memorial ? Then people getting off the train heading west can opt to take whichever bus comes first at the same place, Q22 or Q35. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 17:07:10 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 15:03:03 2018. What you say is true. The probability of missing a bus is the same regardless of which stop you are waiting at. So maybe I didn't make myself clear enough.What I am saying is that with fewer bus stops and longer walks, the probability of missing the bus you would have caught at the eliminated stop is greater when you have to walk further. Let's say you leave your house at 8:07. You get to the stop at 8:10 and the bus arrives at 8:11. You get on and get off at 8:22 and you are at your destination. Total trip time is 15 minutes. Let's say the stop is no longer there and you now have to walk three extra blocks to the next stop. You still leave your house at 8:07, but you don't get to the bus stop until 8:13. The bus passed your old stop at 8:11 and the stop you are now waiting at at 8:12. You just miss it. The next bus comes at 8:23. You get on and you get off at 8:34. Total trip time is now 27 minutes instead of 15 minutes. Of course this may only happen on every fourth trip with the trip taking no longer the other three times. But why should it happen at all? Also, if the bus is running every 20 or 30 minutes, the difference in trip times would even be greater. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 17:09:53 2018, in response to Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 11 07:37:02 2018. Queens ChronicleThe only way this will be stopped is if elected officials band together and speak up. Residents need to attend the next NYCT Committee and Board Meetings and make a statement. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 19:49:14 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 17:07:10 2018. While I agree with your ultimate point about the trip taking longer, I do disagree with your calculation. For analytical purposes, you have to consider average waiting times, and not any one particular stroke of luck (or lack thereof) as to specific instances. Using your example, in the first case there is three minutes of bus access time, five minutes average waiting time (one-half headway), plus eleven minutes travel time. Total travel time, on average, is nineteen minutes (the actual total travel time will vary between fourteen and twenty-four minutes, depending on the variability of the bus arrival). In the second case there is six minutes of bus access time, but the other times remain constant. Total travel time, on average, is twenty-two minutes (the actual total travel time will vary between seventeen and twenty-seven minutes). Thus, you are correct that total travel time is unnecessarily extended, but the magnitude of additional travel is only three additional minutes--the additional access time--not twelve additional minutes. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 19:50:46 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 04:53:59 2018. I did not say that the trips were restricted to carrying school students only. I said those are school trippers and that the only way you would have gotten to/from Breezy Point by public transportation.Now I don't know when GBL started allowing regular passengers on school trippers, but I know when I was in school in the '70s and '80s GBL ran "school buses" exclusively for students. The buses would be signed up for the route it would follow (Q21/Q22/Q35) and destination was signed "SCHOOL BUS." Students would board the bus, show their school passes and drop a nickel in the farebox. Breezy Point had a GBL school bus but by the time I got to high school they had a regular school bus for Breezy Point students. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 19:53:07 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 17:09:53 2018. If one steps back and reads the notice, it is disconcerting. The open house is for persons to "learn and ask questions." That is to say, the MTABC planners have already decided what is best for the community. The open house is for taxpayers to find out what the MTABC planners have in store for them, and not for the MTABC planners to learn from the community and from the taxpayers what they want their civil servants to do for them. MTABC planners know what is good for everyone, so everyone needs to shut up and listen to them. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 19:53:12 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 09:31:43 2018. They think they have a gated community and private roads. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 20:23:59 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 19:50:46 2018. For years UMTA had been relaxed in allowing federal transit funds to be diverted for education purposes. In more recent years, FTA has been more aggressive, in making certain that federal transit funds are only used for transit purposes. That closer attention started either sometime in the 1980s, or at the latest, in the 1990s. A recent case that illustrates the point was decided by the FTA in 2013, Bay Area Transportation Authority (Traverse City, Mich.). The FTA discusses the issue of "school tripper" service, and ultimately decides that BATA was improperly operating school bus service, notwithstanding the buses being nominally open to the public (it did not help BATA that the school called the sheriff when an ordinary adult passenger--the investigator of the complaint--was caught riding the bus that was otherwise filled with school children). Consider both the BATA factors and the fact that the city of New York agreed to allow MTABC to operate the same routes that Green Bus Lines et al. were actually operating at the time (all of which had been approved by the city as being public transportation services), as you examine the Q22 service that operated to and from Breezy Point. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 21:36:27 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 19:49:14 2018. That the problem. The MTA is only concerned about bus travel time, when the true benchmark should betotal passenger travel time which includes access time as well. Access time cannot be ignored and there is no reason to make any changes which will make travel time from point A to Point B take longer, unless you are doing it for the some purpose of cost cutting. And if that is the case you shouldn't pretend you are making improvements and speeding travel as the MTA is doing. When a route local route travels at 15 mph, one of the highest local speeds in the city, you don't remove stops parenting the buses will be traveling faster. It is dishonest and wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 21:39:31 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Thu May 17 19:53:07 2018. Exactly. There needs to be a public hearing but the MTA will claim it isn't required because less than 20 percent of the riders will be affected.So does that give them permission to remove half or one-third of the city's bus stops a few at a time, claiming less than 20 percent are affected when in reality 50 percent might be affected? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 22:45:42 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Mon May 14 17:14:08 2018. IMHO what killed the Q21A was the awful service provided by GBL. People would have utilized the Q21A just within Rockaway alone.That was the only bus to serve the Bayswater area along with the Q22A (weekdays only). Also people from B.56th Place west would've used it as a faster alternative to the much slower Q22. Back then you didn't have train to bus transfers nor did you have the transfer from/to the Franklin Shuttle to the 2/3/4/5. So the Q21A provided a direct connection to the New Lots line and several buses in East New York. However there was no set schedule for the Q21A. They ran it when they got ready-anywhere from every 40 to 70 plus minutes. People just couldn't depend on it. Look at the Q52 today. It follows most of the Q21A route and look at the ridership. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu May 17 23:22:55 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 22:45:42 2018. Did the Q21 carry any passengers when it went from Ozone Park to Rockaway Park? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 23:51:05 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 19:53:12 2018. They essentially do. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 23:57:51 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by northshore on Thu May 17 23:22:55 2018. Besides bus fans? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 23:59:04 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 23:51:05 2018. Thank you. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri May 18 03:44:44 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 17 21:39:31 2018. Boiling frog syndrome. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Fri May 18 17:06:14 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 23:59:04 2018. Forest Hills Gardens is essentially the same thing, isn't it? Not gated or private roads, but off limits to bus service, hence the convoluted route of the Q23. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Fri May 18 17:07:46 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu May 17 23:57:51 2018. Q21 service was even worse than Q21A service, as I recall. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri May 18 20:26:15 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Fri May 18 17:07:46 2018. Your recollection is good. What I don't understand is how was the Q21 saved instead of the Q21A. At least a few people rode the bus. The Q21 was virtually empty all of the time. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Fri May 18 21:07:31 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri May 18 20:26:15 2018. I'm not aware of any circumstance in which a bus route numbered nnA survived but the route numbered nn did not. Perhaps that's why they kept the Q21 and not the Q21A.Or, for a more pedestrian explanation, the Q21 saw lots of business during the summer months. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 18 22:03:00 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu May 17 22:45:42 2018. What was the route of the Q21A within Bayswater? (I thought the Q21A ran along the Q22 route to Far Rockaway) |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 19 00:00:01 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 18 22:03:00 2018. Nope. The Q21A followed its own route in Rockaway. It began in front of Thriftway Drugs on Mott Avenue across the street from the A train. It would continue down Mott Avenue, make a left on Beach Channel Drive then make left on Beach 35th Street then make right on Edgemere Avenue (change to Rockaway Beach Blvd at Beach 54th Street), then make right on Beach 94th Street and continue across the Cross Bay Bridge.Bayswater is on the north side of Beach Channel Drive from Cornaga Avenue to Bay 32nd Street. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 19 00:00:56 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 18 22:03:00 2018. Nope. The Q21A followed its own route in Rockaway. It began in front of Thriftway Drugs on Mott Avenue across the street from the A train. It would continue down Mott Avenue, make a left on Beach Channel Drive then make left on Beach 35th Street then make right on Edgemere Avenue (change to Rockaway Beach Blvd at Beach 54th Street), then make right on Beach 94th Street and continue across the Cross Bay Bridge.Bayswater is on the north side of Beach Channel Drive from Cornaga Avenue to Bay 32nd Street. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sat May 19 09:02:18 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 19 00:00:56 2018. And earlier, the Q21A ran on Beach Channel Drive all the way from Far Rockaway / Mott Avenue to the Cross Bay Bridge, and the Q22 stayed on Rockaway Beach Blvd. / Edgemere Ave. At some point (1970s?) the routes were exchanged between Beach 73 and Beach 35. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat May 19 12:16:41 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 19 00:00:01 2018. I think Bayswater could use a route similar to the old Q22A that actually penetrates the area instead of running along the border. (I mean, it's better than nothing, but still) |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 19 13:06:59 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat May 19 12:16:41 2018. I agree. In fact they can use both. Remember the reason the routes failed because of the horrible frequency and service GBL provided. When I moved out here in '77, the Q22A ran weekdays from 6am-6pm. Then in the '90s they cut it down to one trip each way on weekdays. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 19 16:54:03 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Fri May 18 17:06:14 2018. No. Those are private roads, they are just not closed to the public. Breezy Point's streets are closed to the public with the exception of Rockaway Point Boulevard. |
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